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DesertSpider
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Joined: Jan 19, 2007
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Dec 18, 2007 - 06:03 PM |
 
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Spank me silly and call me stupid.  |
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DesertSpider
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Joined: Jan 19, 2007
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Location: SHANGHAI, CHINA
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Dec 18, 2007 - 06:43 PM |
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Foreign: as in Shanghai Expat . com |
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LifeMage
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Joined: Sep 30, 2005
Posts: 3955
Location: In the world...... but not of it.
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Dec 18, 2007 - 10:20 PM |
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I'm a local foreigner. |
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DesertSpider
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Joined: Jan 19, 2007
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Location: SHANGHAI, CHINA
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Dec 18, 2007 - 10:21 PM |
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And I'm a local foreigner... interesting.  |
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LifeMage
FooSlinger
Joined: Sep 30, 2005
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Location: In the world...... but not of it.
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Dec 18, 2007 - 10:24 PM |
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I thought you were a loco foreigner!  |
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DesertSpider
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Joined: Jan 19, 2007
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Location: SHANGHAI, CHINA
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Dec 18, 2007 - 10:24 PM |
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That too..... from time to time to time. |
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randyman
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Joined: May 09, 2006
Posts: 253
Location: Hongqiao
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Dec 19, 2007 - 10:15 AM |
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Amen to the original posting, I used to spend at least an hour a day on this site. Now I check in maybe once a month, doesn't look like I've missed anything, see you in January! |
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skyline5k
Shanghai Royalty
Joined: Sep 06, 2004
Posts: 8691
Location: i am ERROR
Status: Online!
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Dec 19, 2007 - 01:51 PM |
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Both MDPro & MDforum are up a few versions on ShanghaiExpat.com, but mainly because they've rewritten their code, making it most difficult to upgrade without losing the site. I also run a couple sites on MDpro, and after a couple failed tries, I simply gave up and left it as the former version.
If the site's going to be changed in the future, I doubt it'll be on a newer version of MDPro. Joomla or my new favorite, Drupal, would probably be the way to go.
As for only checking once a month... most people bitching about forums are generally referring to Open Chat, not the other dozen forums on here. Lets keep things in perspective. |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Joined: July 14, 2005
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Dec 19, 2007 - 02:07 PM |
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Is the change in the forum (meaning the change in posts) a reflection of the changing expat population? I think yes. It is also a reflection of the change in Shanghai - things are easier now and there's more of everything. Survival is easier so people have more time to play rather than mass together to survive. On the first days of this forum, expats were pioneers, risk takers, free lancers, and people with individual agendas, oh, and apparently alcoholic drug crazed sex freaks . Now it's the adventerous middle class's turn with their delusions of grandeur, 1/3 pioneer, 2/3 tourist, but still alcoholic drug crazed sex freaks. It's all good. |
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DesertSpider
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Joined: Jan 19, 2007
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Location: SHANGHAI, CHINA
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Dec 19, 2007 - 03:28 PM |
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Interesting paint brush you're using there CH... depending on the industry and the position I don't fully support the 'trending' model and 'mass' generalization.
While I think that many of the 'old school' guys that got here 5 or 10 years ago experienced something completely different than the newbies, doesn't mean that things for expats are just exponentially easier b/c they showed up later. My grandparents tried spilling that crap on me when I was young, but did they have to deal with as many pressures at their young age - I think not.... it's all relative baby. |
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yu888
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Hmmm, I must have the same brush... 
BUt you are right DS, just because it IS easier nowadays does not mean that it IS easier to those new incoming Expats. Some of the same basic issues are being faced by the newer expats though maybe there are more solutions to those issues now then there were before.
Given the difference in demographic and mentality over the course of time, I'd say in general, it may be just as hard to be a new incoming expat now as it was 5 years ago. But I have to hand it to Coffee, 10-20 years ago? No comparason. I started coming to China in 1984; the changes are profound. maybe not exponentially, but but it IS definitely easier to live here now than before. |
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DesertSpider
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Dec 19, 2007 - 04:59 PM |
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Depends on which 'yardstick' we would use as the measure, no ?
Btw - I agree with you guys, it probably is a little easier here now. |
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MyNameIsPablo
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Joined: Sep 06, 2007
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Dec 19, 2007 - 05:05 PM |
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It's much easier now and gets easier every year. This may be because of a gradual adjustment but also because of the development of Shanghai as a city or the fact that there is now a Blue Frog bar five minutes from my yard. Dunno. |
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thewalrus
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Joined: Apr 28, 2004
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Dec 19, 2007 - 09:21 PM |
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| then leave [and please take half the wankers here with you] |
Care to elaborate Mr Walrusly?? |
Know know as well as I do there are a bunch of turds that just wont flush on here.
RE: Arseman. Ban the tool. Can't stand him and Reg. Who do they think they are...? |
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YorkshireKing
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Joined: Mar 16, 2007
Posts: 2366
Location: Loooooooooooooooooose in Luwan
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Dec 19, 2007 - 10:26 PM |
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^Isn't the Arseman on his way to Uzbekistan, and Regster in some gutter somewhere?? |
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MyNameIsPablo
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Dec 19, 2007 - 11:11 PM |
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Did this site get taken over by wank artists? |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Joined: July 14, 2005
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Dec 20, 2007 - 07:47 AM |
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I would not want to go to an art gallery that was displaying the works of 21st century wank artists. |
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DesertSpider
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Joined: Jan 19, 2007
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Location: SHANGHAI, CHINA
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Dec 20, 2007 - 10:51 AM |
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| - Amazing suggestion. . . . Why not try to stop people from stealing other people's avatars? Besides the rights or wrongs of nicking avatars from other users, multiple people using the same avatar just makes it confusing when you read the forums. I don't have an avatar at the moment but when I was using one before I think there was a screen where you could either upload your own or select one that had already been uploaded (i.e. one somebody else was using). This set up seems/seemed weird because it obviously made it easier for people to pinch an existing avatar rather than uploading their own, encouraging lots of people to do just that. |
One other thing I'd like to see that I've experienced on other forums would be automatic resizing of avatars, both for still pictures and animated. There are a few animated ones that I've tried to use that meet all the requirements, but for some reason won't save / load. |
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leidelaohu
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Joined: June 11, 2007
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Dec 22, 2007 - 09:22 PM |
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| On the first days of this forum, expats were pioneers, risk takers, free lancers, and people with individual agendas, oh, and apparently alcoholic drug crazed sex freaks . Now it's the adventerous middle class's turn with their delusions of grandeur, 1/3 pioneer, 2/3 tourist, but still alcoholic drug crazed sex freaks. It's all good. |
We can see that you haven't been in China very long ... fifteen years ago Shanghai was dismal. It took two hours to drive across town. The newest nicest building around was the Hongqiao Rainbow Hotel. Poodung was a big hole in the ground. There was no subway and no ring roads. The public buildings didn't have heat in the winter. Almost all the restaurants were strictly Shanghainese food, bleugh. In fact, foreigners couldn't use rmb at all, were pretty much restricted to the Friendship Store. Foreign food ? Almost the only place to eat western was the one foreigner restaurant at Portapotty or maybe Badlands. Absolutely no character here at all. Shanghai was a dump. Beijing was much better. Hell, Bao ji was better.
Five or six years ago was the Golden Age of Shanghai. Pioneers ? Risk takers ? Don't make me laugh. The people who'd been here for a decade already did the pioneering. A couple years before shexpat started Shanghai had enough of the communist legacy left to be a pretty decent place, personality-wise. Yet it had enough of the new stuff to give some variety. It was a treat to find some western food you'd been missing at the new gubei jialefou. City Supermarket still had one little store in hongqiao and hadn't turned faceless commercial or crushed the other little foreigner-serving stores yet. Maoming lu and julu lu were fun. There were more than 100 foreigners now and you didn't see everyone in town at the Long Bar on Thursday night anymore but there weren't any English teachers yet. It was not a time of pioneers, it was a time to party.
Currently ? Shanghaithunder is kinda full of poop but there certainly are a lot of nitwits coming to China now. "I really want to bring my Pyrenees over and get a little cottage with a big lawn and a pool and maybe a rock garden ..." christ. Progress is not always a good thing. |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Dec 22, 2007 - 09:28 PM |
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ok, ok, 7 years ago was not 'pioneering' relative to 1980 or 1990 Shanghai, but I was speaking in relative terms. |
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sbergman
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Dec 22, 2007 - 09:40 PM |
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Since this seems to turned into a reminiscence of the "good old days." I remember TGIFs at the Australian Consulate with Foster's, those awful little red Chinese hotdogs, and expat engineers from BaoSteel (who were just building the place, I think) trying to lure us young English teachers to the Hilton with promises of CNN on satellite. Pudong wasn't even a hole in the ground yet. It was miles and miles of farms, accessible only by ferry - and you'd better bring your bike along.
I think CoffeeHawk's on to something. At that point it wasn't about the money yet, it was about living in the new frontier. I think most of the people here (with the possible exception of the BaoSteel guys) had a real interest in Shanghai and China - they weren't just trying to replicate their life back home.
Easier? In some ways. I don't remember having to deal with the constant fear of being hit by a car back then. I do remember being afraid that I would die of asphyxation before I could get my bike across the Suzhou Creek (affectionately known to us as Shanghai's #2 River). |
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alex-hk
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Joined: Apr 21, 2003
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Location: in there.
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Dec 22, 2007 - 10:21 PM |
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| On the first days of this forum, expats were pioneers, risk takers, free lancers, and people with individual agendas |
The first massive wave of real wankers moving to Shanghai was 2002, or maybe even 2001. When it became "cool" for the F.I.L.T.H. to start going up north in droves due to various crisis and property bubble burst in HK to apply their entrepreneural talents where it was considered to be an absolute Chinese Eldorado (the viewpoint shared with thousands of frogs at the same time.)
Discuss. |
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leidelaohu
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Joined: June 11, 2007
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Dec 22, 2007 - 10:26 PM |
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| At that point it wasn't about the money yet, it was about living in the new frontier. I think most of the people here (with the possible exception of the BaoSteel guys) had a real interest in Shanghai and China - they weren't just trying to replicate their life back home. |
Exactly ! Altho I'll have to say Shanghai was disgusting until about 2000 - it's always been famous in China as xiao qi and that's a stereotype for good reason ! Looks like it's getting back that way now, too  |
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MyNameIsPablo
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Dec 23, 2007 - 12:45 AM |
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We can see that you haven't been in China very long ... fifteen years ago Shanghai was dismal. It took two hours to drive across town. The newest nicest building around was the Hongqiao Rainbow Hotel. Poodung was a big hole in the ground. There was no subway and no ring roads. The public buildings didn't have heat in the winter. Almost all the restaurants were strictly Shanghainese food, bleugh. In fact, foreigners couldn't use rmb at all, were pretty much restricted to the Friendship Store. Foreign food ? Almost the only place to eat western was the one foreigner restaurant at Portapotty or maybe Badlands. Absolutely no character here at all. Shanghai was a dump. Beijing was much better. Hell, Bao ji was better.
Five or six years ago was the Golden Age of Shanghai. Pioneers ? Risk takers ? Don't make me laugh. The people who'd been here for a decade already did the pioneering. A couple years before shexpat started Shanghai had enough of the communist legacy left to be a pretty decent place, personality-wise. Yet it had enough of the new stuff to give some variety. It was a treat to find some western food you'd been missing at the new gubei jialefou. City Supermarket still had one little store in hongqiao and hadn't turned faceless commercial or crushed the other little foreigner-serving stores yet. Maoming lu and julu lu were fun. There were more than 100 foreigners now and you didn't see everyone in town at the Long Bar on Thursday night anymore but there weren't any English teachers yet. It was not a time of pioneers, it was a time to party.
Currently ? Shanghaithunder is kinda full of poop but there certainly are a lot of nitwits coming to China now. "I really want to bring my Pyrenees over and get a little cottage with a big lawn and a pool and maybe a rock garden ..." christ. Progress is not always a good thing. |
Absolutely brilliantly written. First class post.
Yes, Shanghai six years ago or more was a class act. It's 'getting better' in some respects but the character is fading fast............ |
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queenmab
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ive always wanted a pyrenean |
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