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Kareem

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Posted: Dec 18, 2007 - 09:49 PM
Post subject: Calling all Motorcycle Enthusiasts - Track day!

Hello Guys,

There is a guy that has a motorcycle performance shop that also has a training school that organizes track days. It is taught on really cool Japanese 600cc sport bikes, not crappy Chinese scooters, and you have a foreign instructor, so it is all done in English.

They have a track day in early January, but it is at the Zhuhai circuit in Guangdong province, but I spoke with him, and if we can get enough guys (or gals!) interested, he will run a training day at the track in Shanghai!

All the bikes and safety gear are provided, unless you have your own, so pretty much anyone can join.

It is reasonably priced considering the fact you get everything, and it is a safe place to get on the latest sport bikes and let them rip!

Please contact me if you would be interested, and maybe we can get enough people to have him set up a course in Shanghai.

Regards,
Kareem

DILLIGAF

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Posted: Dec 18, 2007 - 09:58 PM

your talking about BG-Performance by any chance?

seasons greetings! DILLIGAF

Kareem

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Posted: Dec 18, 2007 - 10:15 PM

Yes, BG performance runs the school, and they have shops at all the racing tracks. They seem like the source for getting into bike in China, and best of all, they speak English and can really help you get into it.

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Posted: Dec 19, 2007 - 10:02 AM

I would be interested in this but possibly not in this freezing weather! Do you know when it would be and exactly how much it would cost, etc?

I miss my bike from Aus (Honda CBR600F4i)... I am a gal though so hope that isnt a problem Smile

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FooJay
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Posted: Dec 19, 2007 - 10:07 AM

how about an estimate of cost? RMB1000 or 5,000

Kareem

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Posted: Dec 19, 2007 - 05:53 PM

I would assume we would wait until the weather warms up a bit before we organized it. If we do it at the Tianma circuit, I think it would work out to be around 3000rmb per day. That would include the bike rental, safety equipment, track time, and instructor fees. Of course, gals are welcome! (as long as you try not to embarrass too many of us guys!)

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Posted: Dec 19, 2007 - 06:30 PM

If we get enough people, another option is to have it down in Zhuhai. If we can book the tickets early, airfare is only about 1200rmb return, and hotels are only 280rmb per night. Zhuhai is still warm! Still in the mid 20's

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Posted: Dec 19, 2007 - 06:47 PM

Do you happen to know their policy for low-sides / high-sides ? Wink

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Posted: Dec 19, 2007 - 09:24 PM

Hello Desert Spider,
I got this info from their site about crash damages....

Crash Damages Charges:
If Students follow the instructions of the Tutor and do not ride off on his/her own,
then the chances of a crash will be very low. BG will waive crash damage
compensation if the student crashed the bike when with the Tutor on tow.
If Students crash during the course due to the Student not follow the instruction of the Tutor, or ride off on his own, then student will be responsible for all crash damages. The list of the cost of crash damages can be available upon rider confirming on a Training course.

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Posted: Dec 19, 2007 - 09:33 PM

My husband is interested. Let me know if this is going to go ahead.

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Posted: Dec 20, 2007 - 09:46 AM

If the guys get embarrassed by how many times they pass me because I ride so slowly then I do apologise beforehand Smile

I only wish I was one of those hard core chicks who ride so much faster than all the guys do... One day maybe...

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Posted: Dec 20, 2007 - 10:01 AM

Any good rider will tell you that you become fast little by little... not in one giant twist of the throttle. Wink

Little by little.

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Posted: Dec 20, 2007 - 10:06 AM

Thanks DesertSpider I completely agree and it is just time on the bike and I havent had enough of that... and living here for the past year has probably made me even more slow and scared - completely out of practice but that is what the instructors are for right...

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Posted: Dec 20, 2007 - 10:16 AM

There is NO substitute for experience when you are talking about high performance bikes... all in due time, I've seen guys get brand new machines and then go right out and dump them in a ditch (hard lesson learned there) and I've also seen guys ride for years without being 'stupid'.

Interesting thing about riding, if you push the envelope, even at a stepped and logical pace - little by little - eventually everyone goes down. Not a matter of if, but a matter of when... Why ? Because unless you've been down before you don't really know where the limit is and because you don't know where the limit is your brain will automatically tell you that "I did it last time, so a little more shouldn't matter". When in reality you're talking about a very very thin margin of error to begin with.

It's interesting talking to really seasoned riders, when I first started (casual and race) 17 years ago I thought I was really smart and knew so much... 15 years later, 3 serious crashes later, I realize that I learn something new every time I ride.

This is the best piece of advice I can give you: which is better, walking away and not achieving your goal of being faster or leaning further or bouncing off the asphalt ? When I first started riding there were no limits to how far I would go, now I look at it like this, I'm far faster than I need to be - faster than anyone I know or have ridden with and that is good enough for me.... I have nothing to prove and I don't push other people to prove themselves either. I'd rather ride more and safer than less and more dangerous.

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Posted: Dec 20, 2007 - 11:06 AM

Is this for riders who have riding experience already? Will beginner courses be available? (eg. have never rode before)

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Posted: Dec 23, 2007 - 10:17 PM

Crashing can happen, but if there is one place I would rather crash, it would be on a race track. Learning in a controlled environment is the safest. There are no cars, intersections, pedestrians, and best of all, no cops!!! I've been to these types of schools before, and usually you can learn at your own pace, the teachers never try to push the riders to go any faster than they feel comfortable with. I see on the school's website that the students are taught in small groups, so if you could find a couple more friends that are beginners, you can have everyone at the same level. If you can't, but still want to do it, then the only difference is the price for the teacher would be a bit higher since it is one on one. Again, for a beginner, to learn on the track, would be a really safe place to learn.... the road is smooth, no cars, no unexpected potholes, etc....

If anyone is seriously interested, please send me an email, and I will keep in touch with you so we can organize a date.

Thanks!! Kareem

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Posted: Dec 23, 2007 - 10:39 PM

DesertSpider wrote:

Interesting thing about riding, if you push the envelope, even at a stepped and logical pace - little by little - eventually everyone goes down.

If you ain't bailin' you ain't wailin' !

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panyan

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Posted: Dec 27, 2007 - 12:05 PM

Hi,

I am pretty new over here. I will move from Kuala Lumpur to Shanghai on March 08 and looking to bring my R1 07 with me but yet not know if there is any track actions. Seems BG-Performance web site don't have a phone number to make direct call but if you guys could help me with that? I am interested all kind of activities what come to motorbikes and pretty happy that there are some more members over there.

Let's keep in touch and I will follow your forums post. Thanks and Cheers!

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Posted: Dec 27, 2007 - 02:54 PM

you might get some more people interested over here: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/chinamotorcycle

DILLIGAF

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Posted: Dec 27, 2007 - 03:57 PM

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be prepared for a lengthy, complicated and expensive process if you can be successful at all in bringing in your bike here. keep in mind that in theory chinese road law forbids bikes with a displacement greater than 250cc being ridden on public roads. it is possible but its darn complicated, and can still land you in trouble even when being all legit.

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Posted: Dec 28, 2007 - 08:02 PM

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Thanks - How about not registered and will be only use in track?

best

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Posted: Jan 01, 2008 - 04:26 AM
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Hi, Panyan,

You can contact us at 13928000394 Steven.

It is impossible to import a 2nd hand bike into China, but you can keep the bike in the Zhuhai Circuit under the Zhuhai Custom Bond but you'll need to re-export it out every 6 months.
To keep a bike in Circuits in Shanghai, you can either let BG look for a simialr bike that is already in China for you, then you can keep it in the Shanghai Circuits or rent bikes from BG to start with.

sinned69.

Your info is not quite exact, in China, you are allow to import and register a big cc Motorcycle from any cc. BUT :
1) Your bike will need to be homologated (CCC in China) this will be a extremely expansive and long process that we don't recommend private owner trying to do this. Harley and BMW has some bikes CCC so they're offiicially legal to sell in China.

2) After you'd got your bike CCC'ed, then the custom's will evalute you bike and give you the import duty and other charges to paid ( I think its around 36% duty for bikes over 800cc, 15% VAT, 10% sales Tax, I think totally you'll need to paid around 80-100% over the value of the bikes.

3) Due to you're not a official importer or dealer of a certain bike brand, so you won't be able to get all the Tech reports, CE, TUV papers from the factory, then again, without these, you won't get your bike CCC'ed.

4) A lot of new bike owners got very wrong ideas in China thinking you can get official license plates from BJ, SH ,
In China today, there are over 180 cities that Banned Motorcycle in 1 form or the other, Most cities has stopped issuing Motorcycle licenses many years ago, and the bikes you see running around in SH or BJ are licenses issued long time ago and the SH Gov't is trying to take them back by offering Biker to swapped their Bike plates to Car plates as Car plates are worth over RMB 50,000 in SH today.

5) You can't get a new Bike license in most major cities, and even if someone offers you that they can get official licenses, big chances these are either fake or duplicate licenses that cannot stand up to scrutining.
Thje ONLY official Bike license you can get is from small towns and rural areas as China Gov't did not ban motorycles in these places as these rural areas need Motorcycle as a cheap form of public transport or light goods transportation.

6) Most Major cities Banned the running of Motorcycles in most part of their City main areas, so you'll not be able to ride anywhere inside or near the city main areas.

Dipsite of these harsh rules and regulation, but there are still a big group of bike lovers that bought unofficial bikes and ride them around Shanghai, we do not approve the usage of these Motorcycles, BUT we can see the need for these guys to own and run Big motorcycles aas they do have a great passion for Bikes

We encourage riders to take to the Circuits as its safe to ride and you do leant alot more then what you can do on the Road. we'll be running training courses at the smaller Tianma Circuit, so whoever is interested in taking up our courses can contact us at bg-performance@163.com OR at sales@bg-performance.com.

See you at the Track.

Happy New Year to everyone at the Shanghai Expat site

Rgds
Steven
BG-Performance
www.bg-performance.com

Kareem

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Posted: Jan 09, 2008 - 06:53 PM

Hello Guys!!! (and Gals)

I went down to meet with Steven and with my previous experience in racing, he has made me an instructor for the training courses. I have attended many different training courses and raced motorcycles for quite a few years... 17 actually (man I'm getting old... hehehe)

Steven's operation is nothing but first class, very well prepared modern sportbikes, excellent facilities, and the guy is super friendly.

The weather was great, and everyone had a lot of fun. We had a group of 9 riders from Taiwan, and also a guy from Australia. There is a report on his website and you can see photos at http://www.bg-performance.com/2006/performance/pnews.asp?id=77

I think Steven is planning another training course during the Spring Festival, so if any of you guys are going to be bored during the holidays, this can definately be a boost of excitement! (Might even have one Jan. 21-24th if he can get enough people)

You can pm me if you have any questions. I think for Shanghai it is going to be a bit cold, so we'll have to wait, but the trip to Zhuhai is not expensive, and can get you out of the cold!!! (Last weekend when I was there it was 24 degrees!! T-shirt weather!)

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Kareem

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Posted: Jan 20, 2008 - 08:16 PM

Hello All!!!

Next track days are being scheduled for February 11th to 19th, the track is available. If anyone it interested to go down to Zhuhai, let me know. We will try to get some training schools in Shanghai once the weather warms up a bit...