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Nathalie25
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July 05, 2008 - 02:37 PM |
 
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I always tell myself that rule of Double A is best for paying any kind of bills.( When chinese have some meal together with foreigners) |
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kamehamehon
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July 17, 2008 - 02:18 PM |
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i always think how much for the salary doesnt depands on you are from which country ,it depands on how good your abilities are.
but as we know, before there are few foreigners here and we found that is a big difference and always think foreigners are better than local people.now the mind needs to be changed |
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puhlease
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July 24, 2008 - 04:36 PM |
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In my company it is the foreigners who are the ones bringing money into the company and the locals that do the work. Without foreigners they would have no work. And they would also miss out on the advantages of working for a foreign company: nice offices, air conditioning, annual work holidays, social clubs, fast Internet connection and nice new caomputers, training, and the opportunity to learn from their foreign bosses. One day the foreigners will move along, but not until the locals are capable of running a multinational company on their own. And that's gonna take some time. |
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leidelaohu
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July 24, 2008 - 05:57 PM |
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| puhlease wrote: |
| And that's gonna take some time. |
In the year 2525
If man is still alive.
If woman can survive ...
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Bohica
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Aug 17, 2008 - 06:33 PM |
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| puhlease wrote: |
| In my company it is the foreigners who are the ones bringing money into the company and the locals that do the work. Without foreigners they would have no work. And they would also miss out on the advantages of working for a foreign company: nice offices, air conditioning, annual work holidays, social clubs, fast Internet connection and nice new caomputers, training, and the opportunity to learn from their foreign bosses. One day the foreigners will move along, but not until the locals are capable of running a multinational company on their own. And that's gonna take some time. |
When foreign companies invest in markets, they like to have people they trust and understand watch their investment. They usually have to pay these people a premium for the difficulties they endure such as time away from family and friends and adapting to a new market. In time most companies will localize and pay the locals a salary commensurate with their contribution.
In China that will take a long time |
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leidelaohu
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Aug 17, 2008 - 09:20 PM |
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| Bohica wrote: |
| ... pay the locals a salary commensurate with their contribution. |
I believe a negative salary would be considered illegal. |
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yzhao
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Sep 14, 2008 - 10:54 PM |
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money is not a problem unless you have no money. materials descides top stracture, so you don't need to worry you are paied more or less. Just do your best and you will get the most.
Good luck to you. |
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p1atl10
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Sep 15, 2008 - 02:06 AM |
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jeesh.....!
another brain surgeon. |
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Nikimathew
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:51 PM |
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Interview people. Ask them about pay scales, bonuses, benefits and maybe even perks within their companies. A perk such as a membership to a gym might mean money in your pocket if you are presently a member of a club. Find out when companies in the industry give increases in salary and what the normal increase rates are. What are the bonus plans? This will all help you to make the right decision
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SnappySammy
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ken99
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Let's put it this way, market economy can solve disputs your all mention. It seems it's unfair to get different pay because of one is local and the other is foreigner. who have similar ability of work. But, I think we should focus on one point that which one contributes to company much? More profit to company? Same ability does not equal same contribution to company, right? such as foreigners as your employees will add people impression that this company is big company! or sth like this. |
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lena79
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Feb 09, 2009 - 11:40 AM |
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Well, guys I am new in your forum, I found it occasinally brosing Internet.
I am russian, married to chinese, live in China for 1 year.
AS for me salary question in China is not clear also. As I am not an European, not an Asian. I am Russian.
My example I speak English, German got BA ( Marketing ) in Germany. What kind of salary I can expect ???
Hmm this is a question I ask myself from time to time... |
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tihZ_hO
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Well, guys I am new in your forum, I found it occasinally brosing Internet.
I am russian, married to chinese, live in China for 1 year.
AS for me salary question in China is not clear also. As I am not an European, not an Asian. I am Russian.
My example I speak English, German got BA ( Marketing ) in Germany. What kind of salary I can expect ???
Hmm this is a question I ask myself from time to time... |
With all this you want to work for someone? That is the problem from the start.
People come to China wanting to work for someone and wonder how much salary can make when they should be thinking what business can I do and much money can I make from that? This is what China is all about - not for finding a job! |
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lena79
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Mar 11, 2009 - 11:10 AM |
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To TihZ_hO:
thank you for you words! I agree 100%. |
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bigfatboy
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Mar 29, 2009 - 11:12 PM |
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imo. expats are here for a clear reason. to perform what the locals are not capable of. not talking about technicality, but from a mental stand point. |
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aznrurounikj
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Apr 08, 2009 - 01:08 PM |
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Wow I can't ready any of this thread with all the big heads in my way |
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karen99
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Oct 10, 2009 - 12:52 AM |
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| puhlease wrote: |
| In my company it is the foreigners who are the ones bringing money into the company and the locals that do the work. Without foreigners they would have no work. And they would also miss out on the advantages of working for a foreign company: nice offices, air conditioning, annual work holidays, social clubs, fast Internet connection and nice new caomputers, training, and the opportunity to learn from their foreign bosses. One day the foreigners will move along, but not until the locals are capable of running a multinational company on their own. And that's gonna take some time. |
You may maximum the opportunities working in foreign companies, which mostly we don't think it is, but the basic working conditions.
nice offices equipped with air conditioning, fast Internet connection and nice new computers... never be considered as advantages, especially recent years, may back to 2000.
work holidays, social clubs... is necessary benefits, some foreign company is better, plus commerical insurance. But many local companies also provide the commericals.
training... is better, according to the positions, but many state-owned companies is also great.
the opportunity to learn from their foreign bosses...mostly are nice, acturally we can see more and more the excellent locals, normally we learn more practical skills from them, but the language.
One day the foreigners will move along, but not until the locals are capable of running a multinational company on their own. And that's gonna take some time...a big picture mostly for the day dreamers. |
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karen99
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Oct 10, 2009 - 01:23 AM |
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What in China is actually fair?
Local people also tend to have their own house (living with mum, dad, etc), and they also get a housing fund which puts away money every month. |
Saving money is a good habit for us, which plays a big role in economic crisis. Buying house is considered a best way to keep the value of your savings. You can invest our estate properties.
Living with parents is better than leaving them alone or accompanied by Ayi. They will be unhappy.
Housing fun is very useful for us, but you are impossible to enjoy the benifits. |
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karen99
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Oct 10, 2009 - 01:44 AM |
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| Yep that's right. And from what I have seen so far in the past 14 years, one foreigner has about the same productivity as 60 - 100 Chinese. So yes, they should be paid a sh1tload more. Let alone the stress increasing fact that you have to deal with 90% complete morons here. Even bloody kaffers are smarter. |
What you can see is same as What I can see from many locals.
Please compare the productivity between the people on same level.
A GM is definitely more important than a line worker.
But if the company just has the GM, without those, so-called mornos, What the company is?
If those, so-called morons, is useless, why those trained-morons are always wanted by the employers.
May you are not one of the so-called morons, but I'm sure you are in certain fields. It's same to most of us. |
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karen99
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Oct 10, 2009 - 02:02 AM |
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| Yes, please stop asking some one else's opinion to justify your unsatisfied pay check. Jeez... |
Here's a saying, popular online few years ago. Interesting!
每天早上起床都要看一遍“福布斯”富翁排行榜，如果上面没有我的名字，我就去上班。 |
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sc000
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Oct 17, 2009 - 10:08 PM |
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What's the average salary for a fresh MBA graduate in Shanghai? |
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Shangstar
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Nov 09, 2009 - 04:45 PM |
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^ I'd guess it's zero because fresh graduates are offering free internships just to get their foot in the door. Poor souls. |
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horsemandk
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Nov 18, 2009 - 03:17 PM |
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The Chinese get paid for their "work".
Few expats get high salaries here, especially those hired locally!
As a local expat you don't have skills that Chinese can't match, they'll just hire 3-4 locals to do the job instead of 1 expat  |
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