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sbergman
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The whole slipping out to HK to slip back in has always seemed pretty silly to me - especially now that HK is China. Either you give people longterm stays or you don't. If they're going to continue to do it that way they should at least make the re-visa-ing spot some place that needs the tourism money, like Guiyu.
I've been assuming that Beijing is worried about WTO-style prοtests - a bunch of kids coming in from around the world to stage something. |
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dfoo
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Apr 28, 2008 - 02:31 PM |
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^ like these restrictions will change that?
If HK is "China", then how come when my wife & I go there I get a 90 day visa on the spot, and she gets a 7 day visa (after applying and getting a special passport)? A Chinese has LESS rights in HK than a non-chinese! Imagine that, less rights! |
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yu888
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:28 PM |
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Well, it has been said that there will likely be a massive shortage of English teachers in the coming months as, let's face it, many fall in that grey area of using F visas to allow them to be here. Its been likely purposeful that enforcement has been lax in that area, but no more. Had a friend who is legitimately here doing work for a US client that got audited and fined for "working without a permit" here in China. Clear indication to me that the pressure from above to clean things up is motivating everyone to go by the book...for now.
Specific threats? well, I gotta say most countries will not reveal specific threast so thats not something we can expect anything different from BJ. But Communication is a major issue as that whole face thing comes into play. Yes, I wish we'd get a bit more info about what and why, but what do I know, I am American and have had a government lie to its people and the world about WMD's and Iraq, and maybe more... Sigh. |
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dr3x320
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Just a little insight on my situation, I just got my documents, invitation letter, and Alien Employment License issued by Ministry of Labor and Social Security, there seems to be alot of visa agents in Boston and NYC who will NOT help in getting a Z Visa, F Visa, or L Visa. Contacting 12 of them, only 2 are willing to help in this matter, From what I've been told by my mother (as I don't speak Chinese very well and she does with the Visa agents that are Chinese), she mentioned I need bank statements, as well as an address of where I will be staying in China, meaning I should of obtained a lease, or a place to stay OTHER then a HOTEL during my employment duration in China.... Luckily my bank statements can be printed via online, and should be sufficient (not under $1-5k USD), another story about this, and having the dreadful green book of real estate from SH.
My mother read in the NYC Papers (in Chinese ofc) that a man went to the Consulate in NYC and he was rejected, his documents thrown back in his face literally, and yelled at by the clerk because he only had $300USD in his bank account here, "why would you want to travel to China on an L Visa with only 300 USD? are you insane? /throws paperwork back to citizen". |
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visa_consultant
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Apr 29, 2008 - 09:42 AM |
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Yes the guanxi thing dont work if applying from abroad. The hong kong thing can still work under the right circumstances. Start planning early, get good advice that you can trust and dont wait until the last second to extend your visa because you will have some unwelcomed surprises. |
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yu888
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Apr 29, 2008 - 10:08 AM |
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Just a little insight on my situation, I just got my documents, invitation letter, and Alien Employment License issued by Ministry of Labor and Social Security, there seems to be a lot of visa agents in Boston and NYC who will NOT help in getting a Z Visa, F Visa, or L Visa. Contacting 12 of them, only 2 are willing to help in this matter, From what I've been told by my mother (as I don't speak Chinese very well and she does with the Visa agents that are Chinese), she mentioned I need bank statements, as well as an address of where I will be staying in China, meaning I should of obtained a lease, or a place to stay OTHER then a HOTEL during my employment duration in China.... Luckily my bank statements can be printed via online, and should be sufficient (not under $1-5k USD), another story about this, and having the dreadful green book of real estate from SH.
My mother read in the NYC Papers (in Chinese ofc) that a man went to the Consulate in NYC and he was rejected, his documents thrown back in his face literally, and yelled at by the clerk because he only had $300USD in his bank account here, "why would you want to travel to China on an L Visa with only 300 USD? are you insane? /throws paperwork back to citizen". |
That sounds reminiscent of how some US Consulate staffers used to treat Chinese applicants actually. (not literally, but with the same attitude for sure) Try calling there in Chinese sometime and check out the attitude the staffers give you. One staffer was pissed when i finally switched to English and she realised I was american.
A lease may not work in many places, based on the info we have been getting from various sources. It seems a hotel reservation is the safest bet. Deed of trust will probably work though...I thought you bought something here before? maybe it was another ABC poster. Anyhow, the nmore info the better. Good luck. |
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dr3x320
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Apr 29, 2008 - 10:32 AM |
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Going to the Visa Agent @ Boston tommorow (tues) , the other one is located in NYC within walking distance of the Consulate, but I'd rather see the agent face to face if i'm handin over my passport and docs. Anyways, theres a post to a New York Times post about what their doing to tighten up in Beijing, their doing away with everything (no more dvds on the streets, pple selling fake **** on the street, etc, it seems their doing away with all the typical stuff except pink light salons (Do they even have them there like they do in SH?). Their trying to make Beijing look not like Beijing its to a point where it would be like going to San Fransisco that got invaded by China herself, all non-hetero n skit.
After reading Yu's guide on the Z-Visa process, I went and made myself about 20 copies of each document and then some needed before and during each step along the way, So I'm packing a briefcase full of copies, needless to say I'm step to going commando if they ask for more documents.
Here's the email I got from the NYC Visa Agent that was the ONLY Agent (Chinese Agent) in NYC who was able to do this for me w/o the actual person going him/herself.
Hi : China Visa documents provide
1. passport & one picture (passport size) ,application form
2. the two documents from china that 's email ones
3. the recent bank statement
4. the itinerary of travel agent letterhead
5. the deed of the china property
send all above to : xxxxxxxxxxx Inc.
xxxxx Street , xxxxx
NY,NY 10013
Will post when I get more info, hopefully no papercuts from paperwork being flung in my face, God, I hate papercuts.....
*crosses fingers and wears a Mao T-Shirt* |
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yu888
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Apr 29, 2008 - 11:14 AM |
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| After reading Yu's guide on the Z-Visa process, I went and made myself about 20 copies of each document and then some |
LOL, yeah soooo many f-ing copies...
and yeah just don't go in there with a free T***t shirt  |
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Pegasus333
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Apr 29, 2008 - 11:26 AM |
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Chinamonty said:-
"Do you think that the visa problem will affect teachers the most? i think that some of them will chose to just leave rather than go back and forth once a month (assuming they are not on long term Z visa's of course."
I doubt that these teachers will just leave. Many of them have found their girlfriends here, young, slim and good looking, compared with what they had before. So I do not think that they will just leave like that. They have got all their bases needs fulfilled here, good food, respect from the masses, etc etc |
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yu888
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dfoo
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Apr 29, 2008 - 02:14 PM |
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I doubt that these teachers will just leave. Many of them have found their girlfriends here, young, slim and good looking, compared with what they had before. ... |
What an idiot. Here is 2 fen, go buy yourself a clue. |
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woaihuan
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Apr 29, 2008 - 02:24 PM |
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I agree with the second half of Pegasus333's message, but I do believe if there is any logic in their mind, they will leave. It's expensive to follow the new rules and if they break the rules and overstay, they won't be able to come back for a long time.
Off topic, but... with all these teachers leaving, there are going to be a lot of positions open... high demand... high pay... and now that I should be eligable for a family L visa...
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yu888
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woaihuan
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I know, I know.
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SatelliteTV
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Apr 29, 2008 - 03:54 PM |
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| family L visa does NOT entitle one to work... legally. |
Yes I had the same problem back in Taiwan... marrried not allowed to wrok even thought I invested into my own company and owned 49% of it at the time ( all I was allowed as a foreigner ).
Better get PRC citiznship Mr Wo.
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alex-hk
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foodcoma
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Apr 29, 2008 - 04:51 PM |
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Can't speak for all teachers but the few that I know are here on valid visas. |
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Karu
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Apr 29, 2008 - 05:06 PM |
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Can someone tell me if I need to go to PSB every time I come back from a trip out of China to get the "Registration form of temporary residence"? Thank you.
Another question is, why was I not obliged to go to HK for my Z visa?
I applied for:
1) representative certificate
2) labor certificate
3) work visa
Evertyhing went smooth and I got my residence permit in April this year in Pudong from the Bureau of Exit-Entry (valid until March 2009. Can anyone tell me if I need to worry about my situation? |
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Rais
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Apr 29, 2008 - 05:52 PM |
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| family L visa does NOT entitle one to work... legally. |
I'd add that not only it's illegal it's more than completely stupid considering you have local family and you'd get your ass deported. Those English teachers can easily go to a beach in Thailand, Taiwan or Japan and make the same or more money they have other options, your family has the same selection? |
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yu888
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| Can someone tell me if I need to go to PSB every time I come back from a trip out of China to get the "Registration form of temporary residence"? |
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Can anyone tell me if I need to worry about my situation? |
If you got it already, no worries.
You were probably listed as the Chief Rep. Chief rep is in same category as GM or Vice GM, no need to leave country, |
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dr3x320
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Curious, why would this mostly affect English teachers? and not other employment positions that possibly require Z Visa holders to leave China for business, ie to HK, Korea, Japan etc?, unless I'm missing something that this is specifically targeting English Teachers in China? |
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underh20
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Apr 29, 2008 - 06:27 PM |
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^ like these restrictions will change that?
If HK is "China", then how come when my wife & I go there I get a 90 day visa on the spot, and she gets a 7 day visa (after applying and getting a special passport)? A Chinese has LESS rights in HK than a non-chinese! Imagine that, less rights! |
There's a reason for that.
If they didn't do it like that the loud sucking sound you hear wouldn't be Slopgirl under the table at KFC rather than 1.2 billion Mainlanders running to Hong Kong for riches and glory. |
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woaihuan
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Karu
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| Can someone tell me if I need to go to PSB every time I come back from a trip out of China to get the "Registration form of temporary residence"? |
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Can anyone tell me if I need to worry about my situation? |
If you got it already, no worries.
You were probably listed as the Chief Rep. Chief rep is in same category as GM or Vice GM, no need to leave country, |
Thank you very much, I understand better. |
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Pegasus333
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I doubt that these teachers will just leave. Many of them have found their girlfriends here, young, slim and good looking, compared with what they had before. ... |
What an idiot. Here is 2 fen, go buy yourself a clue. |
What happened dfoo? Did I touch a sore nerve somewhere? Your wife was an ex-girlfriend of some English Teachers before? I know quite a number of them. Is it Tom, Dick or Harry? |
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