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Gazza
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:14 PM |
 
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I just recieved a phone call from one very distressed employee. He's been working for me on a 6 month business visa and went back to Hong Kong yesterday to get a new one. We already heard that business visas were a no go so I told him to just get a 30 day tourist visa. Anyway, he rang up to tell me that CTS was not even issuing tourist visas! What he said didn't make sense so I asked him to put the CTS personel on the phone. This was the conversation:
Me: So can my friend get a tourist visa to Shanghai?
CTS: He can, but only if he has a plane ticket that shows he will be entering China from his home country.
Me: So he cannot enter China from Hong Kong. Is that what you're saying?
CTS: Yes.
Me: But that makes absolutely no sense. Are you trying to tell me that you are denying tourist visas to the thousands of tourists visiting Hong Kong every day who want to take short trips into China?!!
CTS: Yes.
Me: So the only way my friend can get a visa to China is if he goes home to Australia?!!
CTS: (typical Mainland "tsk" and then) Yes!
Me: And can you explain why?
CTS: ("tsk" again, and then she handed the phone back to my employee.)
Anyway, I told my employee that it couldn't possibly be the case, but he said there were literally throngs of other people in the CTS office arguing with staff about exactly the same thing. I told him to go to a 5 star hotel and see what they said.
He just called me back again that the Prudential Hotel have taken his passport and said that they can have a 30 day tourist visa for him by tomorrow afternoon.
All you can do is shake your head and say... "Phuckin China!" |
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underh20
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:19 PM |
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| Gazza wrote: |
| All you can do is shake your head and say... "Phuckin China!" |
Not exactly.
More like the phuking morons working illegally and those who employ them. |
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woaihuan
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:21 PM |
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Japan Visa contacted me this morning and said they can still offer 30 day single entry Tourist visas...
But that's it.
Hope all goes well with him and the visa comes tomorrow. |
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Gazza
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:26 PM |
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| underh20 wrote: |
| Gazza wrote: |
| All you can do is shake your head and say... "Phuckin China!" |
Not exactly.
More like the phuking morons working illegally and those who employ them. |
You don't know the circumstances (which is usually the case with you) so go  yourself. |
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underh20
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:31 PM |
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| Gazzoo wrote: |
| underh20 wrote: |
| Gazza wrote: |
| All you can do is shake your head and say... "Phuckin China!" |
Not exactly.
More like the phuking morons working illegally and those who employ them. |
You don't know the circumstances (which is usually the case with you) so go yourself. |
Life must be tough in the landfill, no moron?
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| I just recieved a phone call from one very distressed employee. He's been working for me on a 6 month business visa and ... |
Literacy not your forte? Another English teacher failing to grasp the finer nuances of the English language. 
Weld that dunce cap on, . |
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woaihuan
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:32 PM |
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I'm living here legally and simply visiting friends and family. Have not worked a bit and have done all of my study with overseas schools - thus breaking no visa laws.
Yet I am going to have to go back to Canada as a result of this.
It does not just effect those living here illegally. |
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woaihuan
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:34 PM |
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I believe an employee can work on a business visa as long as he is being paid by a foreign company.
For example, a guy from the US is sent for 6 months to work in China. He still gets paid from the US company and is not receiving any money from the Chinese company.
So, if this is the case with the mentioned employee... it may only be illegal once he is forced to stay on a tourist visa. |
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underh20
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:36 PM |
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I'm living here legally and simply visiting friends and family. Have not worked a bit and have done all of my study with overseas schools - thus breaking no visa laws.
Yet I am going to have to go back to Canada as a result of this.
It does not just effect those living here illegally. |
Right you are.
However, when you voice your concerns we would term it legitimate complaints from innocent victims of the new policy.
When Dumb $hit and his employees do it, it is called snivelly-***ed whining by people with the moral integrity of a phuking cockroach. |
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underh20
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:41 PM |
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| woaihuan wrote: |
I believe an employee can work on a business visa as long as he is being paid by a foreign company.
For example, a guy from the US is sent for 6 months to work in China. He still gets paid from the US company and is not receiving any money from the Chinese company. |
Actually, no.
There's a reason why people do not go to the PSB and use that logic when applying for an F visa.  |
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cantcheckemailnopw
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:43 PM |
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Everyone should take morality lessons from underho. |
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underh20
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:45 PM |
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| Everyone should take morality lessons from underho. |
If you like, but your problem is congenital. |
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scotsladdy
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Apr 15, 2008 - 01:42 PM |
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I love it, completely agree with underho, its rejects and inbreds working here illegally that get us all tarred with the same brush. I recently renewed my Z visa for the 4th year in shanghai and it was completely fine, I even got a smile from the girl. Its long overdue that China is cleaning the unwanted scum floating about at the bottom of the barrel. |
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cantcheckemailnopw
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Apr 15, 2008 - 01:52 PM |
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I really doubt most "illegals" here are hurting China or the Chinese economy. |
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Dazza
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Apr 15, 2008 - 01:58 PM |
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I hope the British government are taking note...there is a simple solution, get a proper Job with the working visa that comes with it or....leave. |
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Gazza
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Apr 15, 2008 - 03:14 PM |
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Just an update: the guy just got a call from the hotel concierge and was told that his tourist visa application was rejected as he needed a return ticket back to his home country, a full ittinerary of his stay in China, plus all paperwork showing hotel reservations. The concierge seemed quite surprised and was unaware of the changes. They said private addresses of where he was staying was not acceptable. They basically said that you could not visit and stay with a relative on a tourist visa and that you HAD to stay in a hotel. So the outcome is that he is flying back to Australia and applying for a business visa there. Luckily we gave him all the paperwork to get a business visa so hopefully he'll be back soon (that's if they're issuing business visas at embassies.) |
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BONNIE
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Apr 15, 2008 - 04:08 PM |
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Looks like a lot of schools wont be giving English Lessons until after the Olympics then ? |
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woaihuan
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Apr 15, 2008 - 04:13 PM |
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And here we thought family came first in China. |
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p1atl10
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Apr 15, 2008 - 04:16 PM |
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Which means the illiteracy rate with respects to Chinese vis a vi English skills may actually go down? |
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woaihuan
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Apr 15, 2008 - 04:19 PM |
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By the way, is Beijing going to have enough *legal* hotels?
And yes, a lot of schools WILL NOT be giving English lessons until after October. Haha!
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underh20
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Apr 15, 2008 - 05:46 PM |
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| Cuunt Checking E-mail Now wrote: |
| I really doubt most "illegals" here are hurting China or the Chinese economy. |
Just when I thought you couldn't be more of a that you already have shown yourself to be. |
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underh20
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Apr 15, 2008 - 05:47 PM |
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| Which means the illiteracy rate with respects to Chinese vis a vi English skills may actually go down? |
Maybe. Maybe not. |
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soapsud
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Apr 15, 2008 - 06:06 PM |
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I wish every one would stop arguing about this issue especially on whos right and whose wrong,one thing is certain there is a problem.
My problem is that I am meeting a group of Buisness people in Guangzhou and then travelling on to Macau and Hong kong from there , they only have single entry visas, but they still need to go back to China to attend the phase 2 of Canton show.
Will there be a problem getting another visa issued in Hong Kong and Macau to go back to China? My job is to sort out the problem before they get here, I have asked them to birng as much paper work as possible ie Invitations from companys etc |
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underh20
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Apr 15, 2008 - 06:11 PM |
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Best thing is to call the HK Visa Office. If they have an invitation to the Trade Fair, they might be ok. |
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soapsud
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Apr 15, 2008 - 06:29 PM |
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Thanks underh20
I would hate to look llike an idiot not being able to get them back into China, I was a bit worried, reading some accounts from people in HK trying to get visas |
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underh20
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Apr 15, 2008 - 06:47 PM |
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I would definitely call the HK Visa Office. Their policies change almost daily. They now have a notice up on their Website saying only HK permanent residents may get their visas in HK. |
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