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Nathalie25
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I like americans, I don't like coffeehawk, yeah,over, by the way, is that also a challenge?lol,hahaha, hopefully here no one is mute,funny though~~~ |
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| It would be an interesting challenge to see the most vocal posters, all ye drinkers of Hatorade, take one topic, and search it down to it's roots, conclusion, and everything that happened in between. The Vietnam war would be a good example to start with. |
So, why dont you start and give us your version of the Vietnam War?
Oh wait we all know. It was to contain the evils of communism right.
Hence napalming children and poisoning millions with dioxin is justifiable.
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Nathalie25
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lovely man always makes fun in here, hahah~~~~~~~~~~
Coffeehawk you will always be used by your cat, I know you like that,hahah~~~~~~~~~~ |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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if by 'cat' you mean the only person on my ignore list, that's an insult to cats. Cats have dignity: they bury their poop rather than post it on the internet.
Whom uses whom is debatable, it's really 2 different agendas caught in a ying-yang spiral. People are like gardeners, everyone picks a type of fetilizer to spread over the earth: good, bad, or useless. Of course, most fetilizer is sh7t no matter what the intention is.
Nonetheless, here's something real to spread:
What you'll see is a retaliatory post by said cat with more emotional content than fact aiming at popular opinion, typical politics with a South American flair. See Hugo Chavez vs. Bush. The difference, however, is that Chavez is out to antagonize Bush because of very specific issues related directly to Bush, but as an educated leader and humanitarian he does not generalize against the entire USA public. President Chavez still sells heating oil to US charities at a huge discount to help the poor, for example.
Something as tragic and horrific as war, especially one so close to home here in China, should not be mocked or used for antogonism, and it's in bad taste for others to attempt to post about it without doing some homework first. As such, I'll keep this focused only on napalm.
The picture of the naked child in the street, burned by napalm is cultural icon in the USA that spurred the largest demonstrations in the US against the war, lawsuit against the chemical makers, and eventually led to the cease of use of all defoliants in the war. This is a good example to show the difference between people and governments.
Using napalm in areas where there are humans, even soldiers, is bad. Who disagrees? Vietnam knew that the US would not bomb dams and dikes because that directly affects civillians. So, Vietnam built their anti-aircraft guns at dam and dike locations. Hence, the need for non-projectile weapons.
Unfortunately, even with all the bad press about napalm and the trace levels of dioxin, the product continued to be used all over the world after the Vietnam war:
-Israel used napalm during the 1967 war and in the 1980's in Lebanon
-In Angola, the Portuguese military used defoliants and napalm, mined trails, and poisoned water holes as tactics to counter their adversaries.
-1969, the Biafrans had reassessed the resolve of their Nigerian opponent. The verdict was that the unrestrained aerial attacks on undefended hospitals and markets, especially with napalm, and the tightening blockade were further evidence of the Federal desire to commit genocide, i.e., the eradication of the Ibo population.
-In May 1972, when the Brazilian military operation effectively started, FOGUERA had about 80 guerrilla fighters. One of the first operations completed in the area was a clean-sweep action over the only existing mountains in the region, the Andorinhas Mountains, which do not have natural cover. After being bombarded with napalm by the Air Force, the mountains were the object of a vigorous search and encirclement mission conducted by a large force. The results were dismal because the guerrillas were never there.
-In the 1973 Arab-Israeli war - Egyptian helicoptera dropped napalm barrels
- During the 1982 Falklands conflict, the Argentine PUCARA delivered NAPALM against British positions on at least one occasion.
- In November 1994, Serbs from within Croatia used napalm and cluster bombs, which the Security Council noted was "in clear violation of Bihac's status as a safe area." The air attacks from Croatia led the Security Council to authorize the use of NATO air power on targets in Croatia.
The list goes on, but the point of doing even basic research shows how gullible, or at least how swayable people are, all people. So, for the benefit of others reading this:
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Public concern over Agent Orange has centered not over the product itself, but an unavoidable by-product that was present in only trace levels of one of the product’s ingredients. The unavoidable trace by-product was the dioxin compound 2,3,7,8-TCDD.
Dow's Position
As a nation at war, the U.S. government compelled a number of companies to produce Agent Orange under the Defense Production Act. The government specified how it would be produced and controlled its use.
The scientific investigation on Agent Orange has gone on since the Vietnam War and continues today. There have been extensive epidemiological studies of those veterans most exposed to Agent Orange. Today, the scientific consensus is that when the collective human evidence is reviewed, it doesn’t show that Agent Orange caused veteran’s illnesses.
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This information is available in Portuguese as well: http://www.dow.com/commitments/debates/agentorange/
This statement is also supported by: http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_1_3x_Agent_Orange_and_Ca ncer.asp
To further enlighten oneself, please note that how you cook your dinner or what you do for a hobby can expose you to more dioxin than the average war veteran:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071023163844.htm |
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leidelaohu
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Old Tiger....Curious.
Not looking for a fight. But did you vote in the last Presidential Election? |
This is a trick question designed to lure me into admitting voting for that unctuous Gore person. So I'm going to take the fifth and admit only to not voting at any time ever for any Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeldt, or other fascist.
(Fascism is the operation of the government for the benefit of the corporations -- Benito Mussolini. He should know.)
I have, however, put in my time doing we shall overcome and standing up to the national guard. Now if the flocking useless youth of today would get off their dead asses and start doing their job, us older anti-establishment types could get some rest. And we thought Richard Nixon was bad ... kee-rist  |
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| I thought Democracy that America is so proud to try to force down the throat of other countries is a system that "represents the people"? Looks like now, when convenient, the US Government and the people are completely dissociated from each other? |
That's some nice selective commenting that seems to suit your comments, yet fails. HC, come on man. I've seen you make some great posts, but this one isn't one of them.
The US uses a democratic system of a republic to elect officials. Yes, the people vote for the people that get put in office, but are they directly responsible for their actions once they're in office? Please remember this: Bush was the first President of the US to be APPOINTED to the office, not elected. In 2000, the Supreme Court pretty much "awarded" him the presidency. And then, perhaps by voter fraud or shear stupidity, the guy got elected again....
Trust me... Being proud to be an American has nothing to do with the current administration, or even past screw ups by other Presidents. I'm proud to be an American for what America is SUPPOSED to represent, for the skills and the know how Americans have, and the inventions and ingenuity that have changed the world into what is is today, and continues to do so. The best things are invented in America... Even if the US doesn't actually produce them anymore, that where the ideas come from.
I'm pretty sure that anyone who is proud of their country is proud of similar things. A lot of Chinese people I know don't venerate Mao as a god... They look at him, and say "He did some very good things that helped shape China into what it is today, but he also did some bad things." Do we hold all the Chinese people accountable for the bad things he did? Of course not. Using this same logic to any country makes no sense.
For example, I did not vote for Bush, either time. In fact, I was part of political campaigns for his opponents. I actively took part in the American process because I strongly opposed Bush and his ideals. My guys lost. Am I responsible for Bush and his actions? |
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| if by 'cat' you mean the only person on my ignore list, that's an insult to cats. Cats have dignity: they bury their poop rather than post it on the internet. |
Actually that's not true: only the cats in the lower tier of the "food chain" will cover their feces in respect of the cats in the higher tiers, which will proudly display their feces. So, you already started in the wrong foot.
Let's move on...
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Whom uses whom is debatable, it's really 2 different agendas caught in a ying-yang spiral. People are like gardeners, everyone picks a type of fetilizer to spread over the earth: good, bad, or useless. Of course, most fetilizer is sh7t no matter what the intention is.
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Again wrong. Sh7t is the worst fertilizer. In terms of mass you need several times more feces than NPK to achieve the same result. So, not all fertilizer is shiat, FAR from that. Again mistaken...
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Nonetheless, here's something real to spread:
What you'll see is a retaliatory post by said cat with more emotional content than fact aiming at popular opinion, typical politics with a South American flair. See Hugo Chavez vs. Bush. The difference, however, is that Chavez is out to antagonize Bush because of very specific issues related directly to Bush, but as an educated leader and humanitarian he does not generalize against the entire USA public. President Chavez still sells heating oil to US charities at a huge discount to help the poor, for example. |
I think that your naivette is really showing now. Apparently you think that what people are saying about napalm is because it is the US that used it, meaning it's okay for every country to use it but not the US.
Looks like you have persecution syndrom. Google that. Quite an interesting read.
Further: amazing how you think that this is a "south american trait" or something or tend to group and rationalize that a direct connection exists. There couldnt be two more different countries in South America than Brazil and Venezuela, but hey, let's not bring another of your ignorant blurbs up.
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Something as tragic and horrific as war, especially one so close to home here in China, should not be mocked or used for antogonism, and it's in bad taste for others to attempt to post about it without doing some homework first. As such, I'll keep this focused only on napalm.
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I'd pretty much bet most people here including myself did more research on the theme than you. And by that I mean consistent genuine interest in the subject, not Googling for it when you feel cornered in an Internet forum, like you are doing here.
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The picture of the naked child in the street, burned by napalm is cultural icon in the USA that spurred the largest demonstrations in the US against the war, lawsuit against the chemical makers, and eventually led to the cease of use of all defoliants in the war. This is a good example to show the difference between people and governments.
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Good that for once the American people took responsibility for the decision of its government. Looks like we are lacking that now isnt it?
Examples are plenty here.
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Using napalm in areas where there are humans, even soldiers, is bad. Who disagrees? Vietnam knew that the US would not bomb dams and dikes because that directly affects civillians. So, Vietnam built their anti-aircraft guns at dam and dike locations. Hence, the need for non-projectile weapons.
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That's pathetic. Very easy to prove: search how many dams exist in Vietnam and how many missions with Napalm exist. I am quite sure there would be at least 1,000 times more missions than dams. I bet 1,000rmb to be donated to a charity of your choice that more than half of all napalm used in the war had nothing to do with that.
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Unfortunately, even with all the bad press about napalm and the trace levels of dioxin, the product continued to be used all over the world after the Vietnam war:
-Israel used napalm during the 1967 war and in the 1980's in Lebanon
-In Angola, the Portuguese military used defoliants and napalm, mined trails, and poisoned water holes as tactics to counter their adversaries.
-1969, the Biafrans had reassessed the resolve of their Nigerian opponent. The verdict was that the unrestrained aerial attacks on undefended hospitals and markets, especially with napalm, and the tightening blockade were further evidence of the Federal desire to commit genocide, i.e., the eradication of the Ibo population.
-In May 1972, when the Brazilian military operation effectively started, (didnt understand this one, what exactly started where?) FOGUERA had about 80 guerrilla fighters. One of the first operations completed in the area was a clean-sweep action over the only existing mountains in the region, the Andorinhas Mountains, which do not have natural cover. After being bombarded with napalm by the Air Force, the mountains were the object of a vigorous search and encirclement mission conducted by a large force. The results were dismal because the guerrillas were never there.
-In the 1973 Arab-Israeli war - Egyptian helicoptera dropped napalm barrels
- During the 1982 Falklands conflict, the Argentine PUCARA delivered NAPALM against British positions on at least one occasion.
- In November 1994, Serbs from within Croatia used napalm and cluster bombs, which the Security Council noted was "in clear violation of Bihac's status as a safe area." The air attacks from Croatia led the Security Council to authorize the use of NATO air power on targets in Croatia.
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Most of the examples you mention happened at the same time Vietnam was going on. Now you are contradicting yourself in the same post. How stupid can you get? Further, appears you are confusing NAPALM with AGENT ORANGE.
Coffee, Napalm is one thing, Agent Orange is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING. Do you undertand the concept of one thing being different from the other? Like cats and dogs. Cats are not dogs, dogs are not cats, even though both are animals (weapons).
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Again your persecution complex is clicking in: you are assuming that what people are saying is that just US' use was bad. Nobody said its use elsewhere were right dumbo. But when someone from America says "we all help everyone" then history need to be brought up to remind thick people like you that the actual REALITY is pretty different from what you like to parrot.
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Public concern over Agent Orange has centered not over the product itself, but an unavoidable by-product that was present in only trace levels of one of the product’s ingredients. The unavoidable trace by-product was the dioxin compound 2,3,7,8-TCDD.
Dow's Position
As a nation at war, the U.S. government compelled a number of companies to produce Agent Orange under the Defense Production Act. The government specified how it would be produced and controlled its use.
The scientific investigation on Agent Orange has gone on since the Vietnam War and continues today. There have been extensive epidemiological studies of those veterans most exposed to Agent Orange. (what about the vietnamese and what about their children? they were the ones being bombed dikwad). Today, the scientific consensus is that when the collective human evidence is reviewed, it doesn’t show that Agent Orange caused veteran’s illnesses. (I am quite sure you dont care about the Vietnamese and just the Veterans, you c0cksucker).
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Go ask the Vietnamese families that had to live 30 years with water ecosystems contaminated by dioxin. In fact the first big accident with dioxin happened in Italy and an increase in cancer was perceived accross the board. Go google that toto.
Yeah, the argument that the VETERANS had no cancer is supported.
It happens that there were more than veterans in Vietnam. They had this other side, you know, called VIETNAMESE PEOPLE. I am sure you MIGHT have heard about it. Did you read what the study had to say about the generations of people there getting fkd to this day???
WOw, you are rellying on information by Dow Chemical to say Agent Orange was "ok". Good one. Can you be more gullible?
On to cancer.org:
Excerpt one:
Studies of Vietnam veterans potentially provide the most direct evidence of the health effects of Agent Orange exposure. However, because of the small number of highly exposed persons, these studies have yielded very limited information on cancer.
The Vietnam Experience Study (VES), conducted by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), was a study that compared about 9,000 Vietnam Army veterans with about 9,000 Vietnam-era Army veterans who served elsewhere. A related effort was the CDC Selected Cancers Study, a study conducted in 8 cancer registries that provided data on non-Hodgkin lymphoma, sarcomas, and other cancers. In both of these studies, the number of veterans with heavy exposure to Agent Orange was too small to draw firm conclusions.. [/quote] 
Again, you forgot to quote in my post (oh wait I was in his ignore list) that I mentioned CHILDREN BORN TO THIS DAY meaning generations of people born AFTER the war. The study confirms exactly what I said, and I quote:
Acute myelogenous leukemia (AML) in the children of veterans: Three studies have pointed to an association between paternal Agent Orange exposure and acute myeloid leukemia (also called acute myelogenous leukemia) in children.
The first study, reported by the Children’s Cancer Study Group, compared more than 200 children with AML (cases) to a similar group of children without AML (controls). Children with AML were about 2 ½ times more likely to have a father with long-term pesticide exposure in the workplace. As for maternal exposure, 7 mothers of children with AML and no control mothers reported such exposure. The risk was elevated for children diagnosed before the age of 6and for children who had sustained direct pesticide exposure. "Pesticides" in this study included both insecticides and herbicides, so it is not clear which agents were associated with the increased risk.
The second study was a survey of nearly 50,000 Australian Vietnam veterans. This study also found about a 4-fold increase in AML among the children of Vietnam veterans. The risk of acute lymphocytic leukemia (ALL) was not increased in this study.
The third study, a study of more than 1,800 cases of ALL and more than 500 cases of AML, was reported from the Children’s Cancer Group. Although a parent’s military service in general conferred no increased risk of childhood leukemia, service in Vietnam or Cambodia was associated with a 70% increased risk for AML (and no increased risk of ALL). Self-reported exposure to Agent Orange was not associated with increased risk.
This means not only people that were killed by Napalm, carpet bombing and all that, but GENERATIONS AFTER THATE are still suffering from the irresponsible use of these products and the country that causes that completely washed its hands about it. This, as I mentioned in my original post, is the problem. The information you posted is proving my point Jose.
Why dont you go to Vietnam with a T-shirt "I Love Napalm" or "Agent Orange: you dont have to wipe the streets in the Autumn anymore!"
I am sure all the kids with Leukemia would love it. After all, it's their fkng fault that their parents chose to be in an area where defoliant was thrown right?
Oh wait, they are not veterans so fk them right?
Coffee, personal question here: do you have any relatives that served in Vietnam? Perhaps people that droped napalm in other people? Or perhaps defoliant?
Looks like you were born with birth deffects from parents serving in Nam?
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leidelaohu
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| It would be an interesting challenge to see the most vocal posters, all ye drinkers of Hatorade, take one topic, and search it down to it's roots, conclusion, and everything that happened in between. The Vietnam war would be a good example to start with. |
You gonna be up Shit Creek with a turd for a paddle if we start in on Vietnam, cap'n. It's well documented and it ain't pretty. |
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| It would be an interesting challenge to see the most vocal posters, all ye drinkers of Hatorade, take one topic, and search it down to it's roots, conclusion, and everything that happened in between. The Vietnam war would be a good example to start with. |
You gonna be up Shit Creek with a turd for a paddle if we start in on Vietnam, cap'n. It's well documented and it ain't pretty. |
Now THAT's a metaphor I like! Yay. |
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One thing I would like to point out.... Hind sight is always 20/20, so they say...
Many things have been done and used without knowing the full dangers and future repercussions throughout history.
I'm pretty sure America didn't say "Hey, let's use this stuff! It will cause problems for generations to come! hahahahahah!"
History of warfare from any country will provide the same things. People don't realize that something is as bad as it is until it's too late.
America does have a bit of history in making "wonder" this and "wonder" that, only to find out a little too late that it wasn't the "wonder" thing it was supposed to be.
Hey, HEROIN was marketed in the US as a cure all drug for a while before people caught on.
Not saying it's right, but it's how things work out sometimes. I am not trying to justify it, but in warfare, when a solution is needed and quickly, there is a tendency to use what is available. Not just in the US, but everywhere.
Good example is what was posted earlier... Napalm was used because the Vietnamese built AA places on dams and other "civilian" locations, using the US's general decency against them.... What was the US to do? Well, a bit of inventiveness... unfortunately, it wasn't the best method.
I could understand some of this pissed-offedness if it was standard US policy to keep using this stuff... but strangely, the idea that the US was instrumental in BANNING this stuff from warfare has gone unnoticed in this thread.
Amazingly, sometimes, the US learns from it's mistakes and is trying to stop others from doing the same....
Too bad it will be another 20 years before the US realizes that the depleted uranium shells really screw stuff up.... |
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| One thing I would like to point out.... Hind sight is always 20/20, so they say... |
Too easy an out. The truth was known and widely disseminated by 1965. Almost ten fucking years .... way too facile to say "we did the best we could with the knowledge we had."
audio :
http://wrybread.com/misc/vietnam/index.shtml
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http://husseini.org/2007/01/martin-luther-king-jr-why-i-am.html
Bernard Fall wrote the truth even earlier.
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You just tossed the brass ring into the clown's mouth ... Vietnam is fascinating. If you believe in Fate, then our doom was sealed from the moment Truman sold American values out for a temporary advantage in Europe, exactly as Oedipus was doomed from the moment he screwed his mom. The people were fascinating, the stories are fascinating, the blunders are mind-boggling. BUT
SHOW ME WHERE THE UNITED STATES LEARNED FROM ITS MISTAKES ???!!
Just what in the name of all that's holy have the moronic Americans been thinking about the past eight years ? It's not Vietnam which is a problem now, it's how fricking stewpid Americans are to fall for this shit all over again ! The Secretary of State lies through his teeth to the assembled nations of the world -- "Aluminum tubes ! Hussein is making atomic bombs !" You STUPID flocking nitwits, how could you fall for a lie that any intelligent third-grader would laugh at ? Learn from their mistakes, genghis ?
WHEN ??
The people of the United States are sitting on their fat asses dithering over whether Hillary or Obama is "electable" while the fascists have taken over the Republican Party AND the government of the United States. One each bloodless coup .. okay, not quite bloodless but subtle, anyhow. And all the Coffee's and Plato's will sit around munching on their pipes, mouthing maudlin crap while the US goes into the toilet. Then twenty years from now someone else on whatever bulletin boards they have then will be mewling "hindsight is 20-20" but there's no need for hindsight. Throw the lousy bastards out on their asses now and turn this thing around. I don't give a rat's ass if Mighty Mouse gets elected, it better not be any of the establishment fascists who created this disaster or you can depend on one hell of a dismal reckoning coupled to a really miserable world ahead.
Funny (odd type of funny) footnote : Martin Luther King was a Christian. The pious frauds in Washington today, the rightwing "fundamentalist christians" of the US would make the Crusaders of 1099 blush. Christian, shee-it. If they are Christians then I'm the King of Araby. |
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You people re-elected that lying ignorant two-bit cocksucking son of a bitch |
Jeez, when you put it that way, I might have to rethink my answer...
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"Amazingly, sometimes, the US learns from it's mistakes and is trying to stop others from doing the same...."
That is really a good joke. Let's see the real track record here:
They went to Vietnam when France just had its butt kicked, and did the exact same mistakes (get a copy of Street Without Joy, Bernard Fall).
They continue to interfere in other countries business just like they did with the Shah.
They use weapons with little known side effects (DU) just like they did in Vietnam.
They topple regimes without regard for the effects on the local population just like they did in Chile.
They continue to send dozens of billions of dollars to a terrorist state that has repeatedly disobbeied UN resolutions....
Yeah, I am glad the US "learned from its mistakes". Imagine if it didnt?! |
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You gonna be up Shit Creek with a turd for a paddle if we start in on Vietnam, cap'n. It's well documented and it ain't pretty. |
Oh puh-fukkin-leaze....
Are you actually trying to tell me that Full Metal Jacket, The Deer Hunter and all those other flicks ain't good movies?
You walking around with your eyes full of shiit, dog?
Get fukkin real...
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I have known that all guys like starting the wars in earth, especially those guys like fighting with women in world~~~~~~~~
Please guy guys continue your wars, I need to rest, yeah,over~~~~~~~~~ |
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"Amazingly, sometimes, the US learns from it's mistakes and is trying to stop others from doing the same...."
That is really a good joke. Let's see the real track record here:
They went to Vietnam when France just had its butt kicked, and did the exact same mistakes (get a copy of Street Without Joy, Bernard Fall).
They continue to interfere in other countries business just like they did with the Shah.
They use weapons with little known side effects (DU) just like they did in Vietnam.
They topple regimes without regard for the effects on the local population just like they did in Chile.
They continue to send dozens of billions of dollars to a terrorist state that has repeatedly disobbeied UN resolutions....
Yeah, I am glad the US "learned from its mistakes". Imagine if it didnt?! |
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The only thing about Vietnam that I know is that we didn't drop enough bombs on the 'right' people.....  |
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I'm tired. Think I'll go lay down on my waterboard for a bit.
Learn from our mistakes? Hah! |
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Swiss-James
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You're also not American. |
So I can't have an opinion?!
I'd like to be American actually- baseball is a good day out, pizza by the slice, chinese food in those cool cardboard boxes, ROAD TRIP! Being a frat boy, girls with hair that smells like strawberries, loads of different kinds of breakfast cereal.
It'd be grand I think. |
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genghis
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| SHOW ME WHERE THE UNITED STATES LEARNED FROM ITS MISTAKES ???!! |
I haven't seen the US drop any nukes on anyone since WWII...
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"Amazingly, sometimes, the US learns from it's mistakes and is trying to stop others from doing the same...."
That is really a good joke. Let's see the real track record here: |
Oh, and what part of "SOMETIMES" is not apparent there? I could understand if I had said, "America ALWAYS learns from it's mistakes", but geeze...
I thought this thread was about proud to be an American, not America bashing. But, since that's what this thread is, so be it. Since America is so evil and the cause of all the world's problems, you should totally shun everything American, and probably take a stand by ceasing to use anything that is American in origin to show your resolve. Such as:
The Internet, computers, email, airplanes, anything built on an assembly line, air conditioning, radio, motion pictures, ATMs, anything with a bar code, hair dryers, bras, cameras, anything in metal cans, cardboard, credit cards, smoke alarms, escalators, elevators, revolving doors, frozen foods, electric guitars, lasers, jeans, LIGHT BULBS, MRIs, microwave ovens, electric motors, nylon, electric razors, or hell, even safety razors, refrigerators, TV, communication satellites, steel frame skyscrapers, TOILET PAPER, washing machines, telephones and clothes zippers just to name a few.
Hehehehe... sorry couldn't resist. |
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oh_the_darkness
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I went to America and I seriously couldn't tell the difference between America and Disneyland.
I shagged loads of American girls because they loved my accent too. |
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CK1
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The Internet, computers, email, airplanes, anything built on an assembly line, air conditioning, radio, motion pictures, ATMs, anything with a bar code, hair dryers, bras, cameras, anything in metal cans, cardboard, credit cards, smoke alarms, escalators, elevators, revolving doors, frozen foods, electric guitars, lasers, jeans, LIGHT BULBS, MRIs, microwave ovens, electric motors, nylon, electric razors, or hell, even safety razors, refrigerators, TV, communication satellites, steel frame skyscrapers, TOILET PAPER, washing machines, telephones and clothes zippers just to name a few.
I really really hope you are joking about all of these things being invented in the US, otherwise you have just set yourself up to be gang-banged..... |
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