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hc
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Confucius, the great "genius", is to blame here. Complete idiotic cnt.
Really...there is little from Confucius that you could make good use today. Even the "respect for the elder" thing is completely abused sometimes, and carefully played to exercise control over younger generations (guilt based, in the ugliest style).
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I've heard this a few times on this site but never before. Admittedly I know nothing about Confucious and a quick wiki article I read about his 'teachings' there seemed nothing that could be constrewed as what you are implying. Could you explain it a bit further what you mean?
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Confucius did good things, and bad things.
Overall, considering the way the world works TODAY, his teachings are mostly a disaster.
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First because it preaches a social rigidity that prevents change and questioning the status quo. Respect the elders yadayadayada. Except that this is a recipy to perpetuate backward customs and assure through guilt that the younger will always have to support the elder, regardless of the laters willingness to get out of its ass and do something for itself. Not to mention that in Chinese society (and this is a very very very crucial point), you reach immortality not by the good deeds of this life (remember the all powerful God looking over your shoulder knowing everything you ever did?). You reach it through the perpetuation of your -name-. Yes, you have zero accountability of the way you live your life, you can get to "heaven" regardless of being a scumbag andf fkng over your countrymen royally. As long as your relatives burn (paper) money when you die, you are game. Cannot underestimate the implications of this. This is an over simplification, but you get the gist of it dont you?
Second because the importance he put in the family as the social unit (instead of society/country/city as the social unity) there is zero focus on society as a whole. It's all about your family, family, family. Like Lin Yutang put in his great book "My Country and My People": Chinese people treat other Chinese people just like an Englishman treats someone not from his race in a Colony. Notice that this was written in the early 30s when things weren't very suave in English colonies. And again, it's not me a Sulabian Laowai that is saying that, it's a Chinese, so don't shoot the messenger here. So, theoretically everyone outside your house is your potential enemy. Think about the implications of that in day to day situations. It's simply fkng insane!
Guanxi? Relationships? That's a joke that "consultants" in Panama hats use to pretend they "know people". Greatly overstated importance.
Third because his 4 relationships are flawed by design, and it forgets one crucial relationship: stranger to stranger, and hence the tragedy.
Woman subject to husband. Yeah, sure. Great start to put women under the control of men (and yes, the communists in 49 were the first one to do something about this).
Fourth because his teachings not only allow for nepotism and corruption but encourage it: this is a variant of the family thing. There are several Mencius accounts of powerful sons that didnt turn in their criminal dads because "how could they turn over their dads" to autorities?
Now, there are some great things about it too, but I am mostly focusing myself on the things that impact this thread alone.
There is plenty material about that if you want. PM me if you want to go deeper in the topic. |
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oh_the_darkness
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June 13, 2008 - 12:46 PM |
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About gerbils you mean?
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tomnoddy_uk
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I don't see how Confucius' ideals can be blamed for a person being sick mid-workout. I'll have to read more in to his works I guess.
I am sure people are sick mid-work out all the time. What do people expect to happen? The world to stop turning? The instructor went to get the ayi to clean it up, and people didn't make a big song and dance about it. Do you think the guy would clean the sick up himself if this incident occured in the UK, or the US or any other country? Its hardly worth making a big song and dance about.
As to the other stuff, yes, its not very nice. So why don't people complain about it when it happens and get something done rather than write about it on Shexpat? Its been happening at those gyms since the day they opened, go somewhere else if you don't want to see it.
HC's point about people eating crap right after the gym was a good one. My gym has a starbucks right outside of it. Some people are just moronic.
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June 13, 2008 - 12:54 PM |
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HC's point about people eating crap right after the gym was a good one. My gym has a starbucks right outside of it. Some people are just moronic.
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you can use someone his sucker to drink the coffee in starbucks, but you always tells others that you only drink your coffee and use that suckers before you gym in somewhere and you think it is perfect good idea to make your body healthy without any "posh" excuses for that~~~~~~~ |
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"I don't see how Confucius' ideals can be blamed for a person being sick mid-workout. I'll have to read more in to his works I guess."
In fact it has EVERYTHING to do with the vomiting: if the guy partially cared about other human beings he'd definitely either clean it up himself, help the person cleaning, say sorry for grossing everybody else, or at least stand beside the ayi while she cleaned, but since he is a selfish brat he just fkd away to not lose further face.
What would each one of you do?
"HC's point about people eating crap right after the gym was a good one. My gym has a starbucks right outside of it. Some people are just moronic."
Yeah, completely idiotic. Go to the gym and then eat a chocolate bar. Or eat a chocolate bar because hey you went to the gym. Some "people" are just too retarded to deserve oxygen. |
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tomnoddy_uk
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June 13, 2008 - 01:00 PM |
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| you can use someone his sucker to drink the coffee in starbucks, but you always tells others that you only drink your coffee and use that suckers before you gym in somewhere and you think it is perfect good idea to make your body healthy without any "posh" excuses for that~~~~~~~ |
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June 13, 2008 - 01:01 PM |
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HC's point about people eating crap right after the gym was a good one. My gym has a starbucks right outside of it. Some people are just moronic.
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Yeah, but surely eating a chocolate bar after going to the gym is better than eating a chocolate bar and not going to the gym.
The more times I go to the gym the more doner kebabs and beer I can have.
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One time in the locker room of my gym there was this woman who took off her dyper-thing from her underwear. She had a heavy period because there was blood pooring between her legs. It was sooo disgusting!!! Can't believe why she was doing it in the locker room and not in the toilet.
Another thing, do you guys see women on high heels on the threadmill? It's amazing how long they sometimes can run. Respect! |
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Scojay
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June 13, 2008 - 01:06 PM |
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Chocolate covered gerbils?
does richard Gere work out there?
Is it a breath mint or suppository? |
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June 13, 2008 - 01:44 PM |
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[/quote] you can use someone his sucker to drink the coffee in starbucks, but you always tells others that you only drink your coffee and use that suckers before you gym in somewhere and you think it is perfect good idea to make your body healthy without any "posh" excuses for that~~~~~~~[/quote]
Wow. And I thought "life is a box of chocolates" was deep. |
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Baithewei
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June 13, 2008 - 02:07 PM |
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So people do things differently in this country. Deal with it. |
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hc
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I think I had that for lunch???? The upper GI part, with a fine chianti and some fava beans... |
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June 13, 2008 - 03:15 PM |
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"In fact it has EVERYTHING to do with the vomiting: if the guy partially cared about other human beings he'd definitely either clean it up himself, help the person cleaning, say sorry for grossing everybody else, or at least stand beside the ayi while she cleaned, but since he is a selfish brat he just fkd away to not lose further face.
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Get the fk out of here. What kind of ***hole would stand there next to ayi and watch her clean their puke? not to mention everyone here would chew him up saying 'the guy just stood there watching!' and blame the class system in china.
You're in bad enough shape to puke on the gym floor, I'd say more is coming if you have anything to do with cleaning it up. So the guy smiled to his trainer, what is he supposed to do, start crying? And as for apologizing, maybe the next day when someone asks if you're alright or something - but my main concern right then would be to get out of there before more came out. |
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hc
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tomnoddy_uk
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I think the person was sick because they pushed themselves to the limit, not because they were ill. I think you would be in the minority HC, it has nothing to do with education. I've worked as a cleaner at a supermarket before, people didn't hang around and help me tidy up - believe me. |
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June 13, 2008 - 04:25 PM |
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look you know its coming, you gag a few times before the deluge comes. in the unlikely event it does surprise, you do your best to run somewhere more appropriate to vomit then the center of the room. you vomit into your mouth or into your hand or into your shirt while you run to the nearest trash (there was one 5 feet away and theres one on every column and theres one against every wall at physical) or until you make it to the bathroom- there are 2 on either side of the room. or how about the corner of the room? at least try and make the effort. thats what i would expect to happen
yes ive seen people get sick from over-extending themselves especially from doing too much cardio on a full stomach but in 15-odd years of going to the gym and playing sports, this is the first time i have seen someone- in the middle of a public room- get off the decline bench and get down on all fours into the comfortable puke pose and retch loudly 5 or 6 times without a care in the world. without any effort after that first retch (and 2 second pause) to move somewhere a little more appropriate. and then nonchalantly get up, wipe his mouth with his shirt, share a larf with the trainer and walk to the dressing room as if nothing just happened while the entire gym ignores the whole episode.
i mean seriously, it was fuking disgusting. how do you ignore that? he might as well have sat off the end of the flat bench and taken a big loud stinky dump.
i would also expect a large amount of quat sanitizer, ammonia, bleach, alcohol...(or maybe even soap?!) be used after the semi-digested contents of someones stomach have been poured out on the floor. and not just a dirty mop with some dirty brown water. this is way beyond spit; i can only imagine the germs the guy spewed out all over the place.
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first of all i cant imagine this happening in a gym where i come from. not like that. not if the guy wants to show his face in there again. the management would not stand for it, the people at the gym would not stand for it, absolutely no fuking way.
secondly ive had one or two mishaps over the years running to the bathroom (very bad peanut allergy) and the first thing i do is find paper towels to cover up any trail i leave and then i go find a worker and apologize profusely. what choice do i have? its either help clean up an accident that i did my best to prevent or i shouldnt show my face there ever again.
i also blame the retarded trainer for just sitting there ignoring the whole episode instead of grabbing the trash can- there was one a few feet away- and shoving it under that dudes face or grabbing him by his hair, dragging him over to the trash can and shoving his head in it. that would be the responsible thing to do. |
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hc
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June 13, 2008 - 04:29 PM |
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If the person pushed themselves to the limit and vomitted then they are even more stupid, and others shouldnt have to pay for their stupidity.
Further, did people vomit in the supermarket you worked?
Did you clean the toilets too? What if people took dumps on the floor, would you like cleaning it?
I'd say it is probably in the JD of someone in a supermarket job to clean up a broken jar of pickles but for someone to clean up the vomit is something very very very different.
It's all about education: both aboud educating yourself about what is acceptble for your body and both in terms of minimizing the losses of other people if they will bear the effects of your own stupidity. |
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hc
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June 13, 2008 - 04:38 PM |
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tomnoddy_uk
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Kids are sick all the time. fortunately i didn't do the toilets. the job of a cleaner is to clean stuff up. what's the point of having one otherwise. I wouldn't think their are many cleaners that do it for the job satisfaction.
When did i say they wouldn't apologise, i was referring to standing over their shoulder and watching them clean it up.
I still don't think its such a biggie. Have you not seen someone be sick before? No, it is not nice, but did it really affect you that much.
I would agree with bleu cheese that the trainer should have been more pro-active and the cleaning should have been better. But talking about kicking someone out for being sick then not cleaning it up, geez - tough crowd. |
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hc
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Ah Beng
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June 13, 2008 - 05:51 PM |
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Its hardly worth making a big song and dance about.
As to the other stuff, yes, its not very nice. So why don't people complain about it when it happens and get something done rather than write about it on Shexpat? Its been happening at those gyms since the day they opened, go somewhere else if you don't want to see it.
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Why should anyone think they oughtta suck everything up and go cry quietly into the woods? The others are listening..maybe not you, but someone is. And go where again? |
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Ah Beng
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June 13, 2008 - 05:57 PM |
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| I would agree with bleu cheese that the trainer should have been more pro-active and the cleaning should have been better. But talking about kicking someone out for being sick then not cleaning it up, geez - tough crowd. |
This ain't the "No Questions Allowed Institution" either..tough cookie  |
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GiveEmOpium
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man. I have been there.
whats annoying at my gym is that the retards who run place put a remote on every mill, so every goddamn DEAF chinese guy puts the volume up to max whilst listening to the highpitched volk music and news.
imagine 20 tvs on max volume while you are on the mill on your "relax gym time".
gotta get me a shotgun... |
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Cambronne
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What is DAFT?
Anyway TVs in gyms is a gay thing. By "gay" I mean it has to do with consumerism: more TVs are sold, more advertisements shown, more brains washed, etc. |
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