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georgeshen
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Bohica, glad to know you are well-traveled and I hope it gives you much more broader perspective. No, I didn't take scientific survey. I polled a few Americans among my friends or the people I have personal contacts with.
But reading this one disheartening people like you and me.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105835/North-Korea-Drops-Top-Three-US-Enemi es.aspx
Would the Gallup Poll convince you? According to the Feb/08 gallop poll, China now is No.# 3 on the US’s greatest enemy list, after Iran and Iraq, before N. Korea. Congratulations to the Western media outlets. The Mission of Demonizing China has been Accomplished.
Unless you think China deserves the no# 3 spot on the list of America's greatest enemy today. Or you want to blame on the avg. Americans' intelligence for not getting the news right? Come on! Wake up!!
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| Bohica, the question is not about which media you would choose because it is so obvious. I was merely pointing out the other obvious that the Western media is very biased when it comes to China. Are you American? Then you should know the general sentiment and attitude of Americans toward China and Chinese. Although I was very upset about my son's treatment in his school, it is hardly surprising given the negative news coverage here. I have known many Americans who are undoubtly intelligent but misguided by the mainstream media on the China issue. It's unfortunate. Many still think China now is the one 40 years ago in Mao's era and some are very surprised to learn they can dress anyway they want now (not in Mao's uniform like the North Koreans). |
You are a bit of a pompous blowhard always claiming to speak for so many.
"Many still think .....blah blah". Is this a survey you take in your back yard?
I was born in America but have lived in several countries. I love to read negative press about America because it assures me that freedom is still alive and well. The day when I read only positive I will know they weak have won. I see a lot of negative things about China in the media and a lot of positive things. There are a lot of negative things going on in China and a lot of positive things going on in China. |
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p1atl10
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Aug 27, 2008 - 07:50 PM |
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been on holiday for a week....just logged on.
Four pages of nothing we do not already know......
(yawn)
george.....give it a rest. All media, everywhere....are biased. Full Stop |
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Bohica
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A little misleading there pompous Georgie. The poll says 14% of Americans feel this way. Hardly a majority of Americans.
It's natural reaction. The fact that Americans won't work in conditions or for standard of living that Chinese will is causing a lot of pain in the middle class life style. Climbing up the economic ladder is much easier than climbing down. Don't need the media to tell people that as they lose their wages and jobs. It's a major challenge of globalization. As China grows and moves up there is dislocation of the middle class in Europe and America. That scares people when they look at the future. If China followed the same standard of living as adopted in the western world, it would be purely competition. People see Chinese sleeping in the factories (truth) and see thousands dieing in industrial accidents (truth) and it scares them that they may have to do the same to be competitive in a global marketplace. It's natural fear and the guys responsible are viewed as enemy. Those same people view their bosses as enemies too. |
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Bohica
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Interesting to see how IRaq is still perceived as an enemy.
And then people talk about Russia and Georgia.
It's indeed a world full of retards. |
I also thought that was strange that Iraq is viewed as enemy.
Most Americans know little about the world. World travel is a trip to Canada or Mexico. |
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black_bird
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Aug 27, 2008 - 09:22 PM |
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yeah china will forever be the good old communist evil enemy. no hope.
china singing a love song to the west:
'You only see what your eyes want to see... How can life be what you want it to be? You're frozen, when your heart's not open' |
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georgeshen
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All is in the eyes of beholder, isn't it? The 14% who think China enemy no.3 are the die-hard fearmongers who are willing to go to war w/ china on any given day, Mr. Smartie. There are more than 50% american public hold negative views on China. You need another survey? Right?
Besides, are you surprised the drop in the NK case was due to the help from China? That's what you get rewarded for defusing another enemy of the U.S.
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I was almost going to praise you Georgie, for at least coming up with arguments that are not yours and outside the classical persuasion words such as "Many would say" and "Obviouslly...".
Except that you forgot to mention this:
China is the 3rd "enemy" not because it increased by much, rather because North Korea went down.
Your link actually detracts from your argument... |
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Chingis
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All very interesting Georgie, but none of it evidence for something that you said was so clear to all- western media is biased against China.
I don't read much Western media, am not American, and consider China to be enemy number 1. What would you put that down to? |
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gilroy
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| The poll says 14% of Americans feel this way. Hardly a majority of Americans. |
I read the poll says 14 out of 100 Amricans feel China is the greatest enemy. Do I understand it correctly that you say 14 out of 100 Americans have negative feelings toward China? |
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georgeshen
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you are in your own category, f_vck_tard. i may have some respect for Bohica, but not you. go F yourself. [/b]
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All very interesting Georgie, but none of it evidence for something that you said was so clear to all- western media is biased against China.
I don't read much Western media, am not American, and consider China to be enemy number 1. What would you put that down to? |
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georgeshen
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Bohica doesn't have a sense of reality in the U.S. I would just say he is ignorant. Hopefully not stupid.
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| The poll says 14% of Americans feel this way. Hardly a majority of Americans. |
I read the poll says 14 out of 100 Amricans feel China is the greatest enemy. Do I understand it correctly that you say 14 out of 100 Americans have negative feelings toward China? |
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Chingis
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Aug 28, 2008 - 10:56 AM |
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Anyone who doesn't agree with Georgie is either ignorant, stupid, or like me and in another category.
Compelling argument there Georgie boy |
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Still haven't had any comments from Georgie on the NZ Herald articles I linked to either. . .
The NZ Herald's farcical decision to let Jingjing Wei write for them would seem to indicate that the western media is rather too PC. They actually give space to Chinese Georgie Shen types.
The thing that astonished me about Jingjing Wei was that at least 6 or 7 our of her 8 or so articles were essentially anti-western rants. It is supposedly Beijing's big moment, and the only topic she can dream up is another anti Western media bitch session. Rather pathetic. . . |
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Bohica
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Bohica doesn't have a sense of reality in the U.S. I would just say he is ignorant. Hopefully not stupid.
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| The poll says 14% of Americans feel this way. Hardly a majority of Americans. |
I read the poll says 14 out of 100 Amricans feel China is the greatest enemy. Do I understand it correctly that you say 14 out of 100 Americans have negative feelings toward China? |
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Actually I appreciate being insulted by you. To say I am ignorant and don't have a sense of reality in US is pretty funny coming from you. I was born in america, my entire family lives in the US and I was a professor at U of C for 9 years.
You can always bend your arguments to fit your narrow mind Georgie and you can find some sheep in China to follow you. Sorry , but you are out of your league with me. |
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gilroy
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Calm down, professor. Use figure, proof, polls (they are more powerful than your birth place, residence and teaching career) to prove your sense of reality in US is correct. There are polls saying 14 out of 100 Amricans feel China is the greatest enemy. There are polls saying more than half of Americans have negative feelings toward China. Do you know those polls? Why do American have such a feeling? |
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Magnolia
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good grief. when will anyone learn that statistics are the ultimate slippery-slope argument? |
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Chingis
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Good question gilroy. 'Why do americans have these feelings?" Is your only explanation for this western media bias? By using this poll, and Georgie's backyard surveys as the only evidence presented for this assertion I take it the answer is yes. |
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gilroy
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| Magnolia wrote: |
| good grief. when will anyone learn that statistics are the ultimate slippery-slope argument? |
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| Good question gilroy. 'Why do americans have these feelings?" Is your only explanation for this western media bias? By using this poll, and Georgie's backyard surveys as the only evidence presented for this assertion I take it the answer is yes. |
Polls show more than half of Chinese have negative views on America. Give me a reason there is no Chinese media bias and Chinese are not brainwashed by the mainstream Xinhua. |
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Chingis
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Where did I say they were brainwashed? And is that the best you can come up with? I see you've totally given up trying to argue the original point.
Georgie came up with a statement claiming that western media were biased against China, and so the burden of proof is on him, or you if you like, to come up with some evidence that leads to this conclusion. Whether or not there is bias in Chinese media is not related, and your attempts to go off-topic leads me to believe you have given up in your attempt to back up the original claim.
Believe it or not my mind is not made up about this one way or another, but your and the sniveling little maggot georgies attempt at putting together a convincing argument to support the original proposition have not even come close to meeting at least my standard of proving anything, other than your own lack of logical reasoning ability. |
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gilroy
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Aug 28, 2008 - 12:36 PM |
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Answer the question raised by yourself if you can't understand mine. btw, did I say you said they were? |
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Bohica
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| Good question gilroy. 'Why do americans have these feelings?" Is your only explanation for this western media bias? By using this poll, and Georgie's backyard surveys as the only evidence presented for this assertion I take it the answer is yes. |
I would venture a guess (only my opinion and not brainwashed or victim of media bias) that Americans are very worried that the rise of China will negatively impact their lifestyle. This type of fear usually will create an enemy. Most of us grew up going to school and learning about the evil red menace of China. Some people don't ever change their opinions or bother to learn about the rest of the world. The extent a good deal of those people are influenced by the media is the Jerry Springer show. |
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genghis
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I love how people who aren't Americans bitch about Americans not knowing anything, and then claim to know the absolute ins and outs of America. Keep it up, you're making the real Americans laugh. |
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gilroy
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[quote="Bohica]
I would venture a guess (only my opinion and not brainwashed or victim of media bias) that Americans are very worried that the rise of China will negatively impact their lifestyle. This type of fear usually will create an enemy. Most of us grew up going to school and learning about the evil red menace of China. Some people don't ever change their opinions or bother to learn about the rest of the world. The extent a good deal of those people are influenced by the media is the Jerry Springer show.[/quote]
What does Bohica mean?
A. There is a bias toward China that stems from Americans’ fear about losing their middle class lifestyle due to the rise of China (“Fear Bias”), but there is no media bias toward China because the mainstream media does not reflect the Fear Bias.
B. 14% Americans have the Fear Bias.
C. More than 50% Americans have the Fear Bias.
D. There is no Fear Bias.
E. There is a Fear Bias toward China and there is also a media bias toward China.
F. The Fear Bias comes out of the media bias.
G. The media bias comes out of the Fear Bias.
H. The Fear Bias and media bias are interconnected.
I. There had been no Fear Bias toward China until (i) 1840, (ii) 1900, (iii) 1912, (iv) 1928, (v) 1949, (vi) 1978, or (vii) 1992 when China began to rise. Please choose the year you think that symbolizes the rise of China. |
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Chingis
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gilroy, is all fear or suspicion bias as far as you are concerned? It seems that it is as you have posted the two words together repeatedly in you last post
I mean, is it possible to fear or mistrust something without you considering it being a bias?
For example, if they conducted a survey in Poland circa 1938 and the results showed most Poles considered Germany a threat, would you have considered them biased at the time? And on reflection would you still consider them biased?
I think you should sit down with a good dictionary and look up the definitions of the two words (Fear/ Bias). If you do this you will see that one does not always follow from the other. I understand English isn't you first language, and i am not trying to split hairs with you here, but I think your argument might start to make more sense if you are at least sure of the terms you are using. |
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