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p1atl10
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Time for a new page.... |
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LifeMage
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Who gives a toss about some pregnant teen? You'd think people would be more interested in Palin's involvement in the Alaskan Independence Party! Split from the good old U.S of A and become an independent country.... 
from their website:
"The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.
The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences. "
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The difference between a "pitbull" and "hockey mom" is a "lipstick" - Sarah Palin |
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UndrUrSkin
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^^ You sir.... are a great American^^ |
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Buzzd
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Sep 04, 2008 - 01:49 PM |
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Zing! Relavent yet? You betcha! Just Say No, kids! Just Say No!
Implosion countdown...tick, tick, tick |
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p1atl10
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Sep 04, 2008 - 01:52 PM |
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| Who gives a toss about some pregnant teen? You'd think people would be more interested in Palin's involvement in the Alaskan Independence Party! Split from the good old U.S of A and become an independent country.... |
Retracted today in the NYT.....Never a member[/code] |
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p1atl10
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Sep 04, 2008 - 02:14 PM |
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Zing! Relavent yet? You betcha! Just Say No, kids! Just Say No!
Implosion countdown...tick, tick, tick |
Hey buzzeroonie....
You actually ever going to add any content of value or depth on this topic?
Or just pop in with annoying little quips on a regular basis?
Boom-Boom, Snort, HeeHaw....get ready for it! |
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Buzzd
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Sep 04, 2008 - 02:17 PM |
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A new themesong has been chosen for McPalin.
Bruce Springsteen's I'm Going Down. |
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jzzzzzzz
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Sep 04, 2008 - 03:25 PM |
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Bristol? F*cking Levi?
Whatever happened to good old normal names like Colin and Sharon? |
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Buzzd
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Sep 04, 2008 - 04:31 PM |
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Zing! Relavent yet? You betcha! Just Say No, kids! Just Say No!
Implosion countdown...tick, tick, tick |
Hey buzzeroonie....
You actually ever going to add any content of value or depth on this topic?
Or just pop in with annoying little quips on a regular basis?
Boom-Boom, Snort, HeeHaw....get ready for it! |
While not exactly the same verbiage, "The sex-ed programs will not find my support" does remind me quite a bit of something I brought up on the last page. |
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Buzzd
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Sep 04, 2008 - 04:36 PM |
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Furthermore, the Palin's are not just preaching their values, but are "practicing what they preach" in their joint decision to support their daughter and her [/b]unborn child in her unfortunate situation.
Either way, (McCain supporter or Obama supporter) I fail to see how this is relevant in the upcoming presidential compaign.
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The fact that she's preaching her pro-life, pro-family values agenda does make it a at least slightly relevant
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Buzzd
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Say whatever you want about Obama, the puritanical, holier than-thou mindset has to become a thing of America's past, lest we fade back into the dark ages while much of the rest of the world aims for progress. But it's all so much easier to leave everything up to God's way, isn't it? Babies: God; Global Warming: God; Poverty, Aids, War: God, God, God! Enough already! Can a modern day republican ever take responsibility/accountability for anything? Hell no. I don't give a damn what you or anyone else believes in, just don't cram it down my, and all the rest of us collective sinners' throats. |
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njd
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^I am obviously not getting my point across. I have tried to refrain from debate because it is not relevant so what is the point, but since you have forced my hand...here it goes.
The only legitament argument you would have here is that Bristol Palin has had pre-marital sex, and if you are a pro-family conservative, you obviously don't believe in pre-marital sex. This doesn't mean Sarah Palin did not educate her child about the importance of abstinence. It only means that Bristol Palin is a 17 year old girl who has started to make her own decisions and one of those unfortunately resulted in her pregnancy.
Furthermore, being pro-life or pro-family does not mean shunning anyone who has ever made this mistake. Quite the contrary. If you are truly a pro-life, pro-family advocate you support the individual, whether that be financially or emotionally to give her options (no, obviously not abortion). You educate her on the emotional and physical dangers of having an abortion while also explaining that everyone has a right to live. You educate her on how to be financially stable for herself and for her child in the future, you help her explore different avenues to continue education, and if need be where to turn for financial or emotional help. I could go on and on, but that is exactly what Sarah Palin is doing for her daughter now. I am sure she gave her hell behind closed doors (as she should have), but she is also supporting her so she can be successful in life regardless of the mistake she has made.
Contrary to what you believe, not all pro-life, pro-family advocates do not have a "holier than-thou mindset" and some aren't even that religious, or religious at all. It just simply breaks their heart that a child is not given the chance to live - especially if the mother just doesn't think she has options, or because she may have this misperception that anyone that could help her will judge her as you seem to believe. So maybe Sarah Palin will be able to bring a clearer message to all of those young soon-to-be mothers and give them more options.
That being said...don't try to bring me into a pro-life, pro-choice debate. I honestly have strong opinions about both! |
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lucar
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Sep 04, 2008 - 09:27 PM |
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Furthermore, being pro-life or pro-family does not mean shunning anyone who has ever made this mistake.
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^I don't know what world you are living in, but I'd say that groups like Operation Rescue do a pretty good job of shunning people who have made the CHOICE not to be "pro-life". |
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lucar
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Sep 04, 2008 - 09:35 PM |
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The only legitament argument you would have here is that Bristol Palin has had pre-marital sex, and if you are a pro-family conservative, you obviously don't believe in pre-marital sex. This doesn't mean Sarah Palin did not educate her child about the importance of abstinence. It only means that Bristol Palin is a 17 year old girl who has started to make her own decisions and one of those unfortunately resulted in her pregnancy.
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Actually, it means that Sara Palin's "abstinence" policy didn't even work in her own home. So, one can say...either the policy failed or Sara Palin and her husband were completely inept in instituting it in their own home, but want to insist that it should work for everyone else. |
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p1atl10
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Sep 04, 2008 - 09:55 PM |
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My bottom line on this.....
I do not know a whole lot of teenagers, including myself, that ever listened to more than 10% of what their parents tried to tell them.
Projecting anything past that and speculating on the families ability to instill their values into their children is nothing more than empty proselytizing...
Feel sorry for the family
tough for the kids to be in the limelight. |
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Buzzd
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Sep 04, 2008 - 10:04 PM |
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but I'd say that groups like Operation Rescue do a pretty good job of shunning people who have made the CHOICE not to be "pro-life".
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Lucar, I believe it's spelled s-h-o-o-t-i-n-g.
njd, I think I got the gist of your point previously. But let's take a look at Bristol now for a moment (and believe it or not, in spite of some of my quips I do feel sorry for her).
Perhaps her mom and the dude either can't, won't, or refuse to even discuss birth control or sex with their children. This is not an unheard of scenario, and is therefore one of the fine reasons why we absolutely need this information discussed in our schools. Ma Palin on the other hand, feels otherwise.
Now let's up the stakes. Imagine Bristol, in spite of her tremendous guilt, made the difficult choice of opting for an abortion. Ma and Pa adamently refuse (parental consent laws in Alaska?). "Abortion? No way! Not even if you were raped!" Bristol seeing no other way out, heads off to a shady doctor somewhere and is literally scarred for life, if not worse.
She's a fortunate girl. She's got what I'm assuming are two supportive parents, and they've got money. Heck, she's even got an engagement ring from the hockey stud. Many girls don't have the same luck.
I wish Bristol and her child well. I also wish Ma would go on a long fishing trip, and take McC with her. |
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Buzzd
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And thank you lucar. God bless New York. |
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Cambronne
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I wish Bristol and her child well.
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Didnt you just imply that it was better the kid die, just a few lines before? |
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Buzzd
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A bad choice of words perhaps, but I was referring to Mom's campaign. |
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Cambronne
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Sep 04, 2008 - 10:21 PM |
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What a weak debater you are. |
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Buzzd
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Sep 04, 2008 - 10:24 PM |
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I wish Bristol and her child well.
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Didnt you just imply that it was better the kid die, just a few lines before? |
Huh? You mean from my "let's imagine" story? I don't see any of my personal opinions in that paragraph. |
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Buzzd
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| What a weak debater you are. |
What an even poorer reader you are. |
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p1atl10
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but I'd say that groups like Operation Rescue do a pretty good job of shunning people who have made the CHOICE not to be "pro-life".
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Lucar, I believe it's spelled s-h-o-o-t-i-n-g.
njd, I think I got the gist of your point previously. But let's take a look at Bristol now for a moment (and believe it or not, in spite of some of my quips I do feel sorry for her).
Perhaps her mom and the dude either can't, won't, or refuse to even discuss birth control or sex with their children. This is not an unheard of scenario, and is therefore one of the fine reasons why we absolutely need this information discussed in our schools. Ma Palin on the other hand, feels otherwise.
Now let's up the stakes. Imagine Bristol, in spite of her tremendous guilt, made the difficult choice of opting for an abortion. Ma and Pa adamently refuse (parental consent laws in Alaska?). "Abortion? No way! Not even if you were raped!" Bristol seeing no other way out, heads off to a shady doctor somewhere and is literally scarred for life, if not worse.
She's a fortunate girl. She's got what I'm assuming are two supportive parents, and they've got money. Heck, she's even got an engagement ring from the hockey stud. Many girls don't have the same luck.
I wish Bristol and her child well. I also wish Ma would go on a long fishing trip, and take McC with her. |
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Gee....nice idle speculation and worst case imaginings to support your case.
my turn...
How about Palin as a sympathetic and caring mother who, upon finding out that her unwed teenage daughter is pregnant ...supports her decision to keep the baby,even though the pregnancy itself goes against all the values she has ever tried to instill in her family.
I've got nothing to support my wild imaginings as to what actually occurred within the family, just as you have none to support yours...
What I do know is that this is, and should be, between the daughter and her mother.....and should be either of our darn business.
Extrapolating a very emotional, traumatic, and very personal family matter involving a 17 year old girl into a national debate on fitness to serve our country?
Heck...
JFK would never have passed through your very moralistic and myopic microscope. |
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Buzzd
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How about Palin as a sympathetic and caring mother who, upon finding out that her unwed teenage daughter is pregnant ...supports her decision to keep the baby,even though the pregnancy itself goes against all the values she has ever tried to instill in her family.
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Well good for freakin them then Gopherboy. Another happy family running the big show. Can't wait to see their matching sweaters on the Christmas special. Who gives a flip?
You know what I do give a fly about? My girlfriend, or my daughter, or whomever having the right to choose what the hell they what to do with their own damn bodies. Oh, but wait, some freakin recently upgraded hockey mom from absolute Bumblefukc Falls Alaska strolls into town on some jokester wanks platform, and she's got a vision. Let's go back to the freakin good old back alley days, eh scooter. Oh how grand it was! |
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