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Pierrro
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Oct 10, 2008 - 11:35 PM |
 
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Hi there
I need food Fapiao, Restaurant or Supermarket (10 000 Rmb per month). This is perfectly legal and part of my package with company, but I cannot be arsed to collect Fapiao every time I do Shopping or eat out.
I am ready to pay 2% of their value for the service. Could anybody point me where to buy them... Or would anybody have a stack of food Fapiao they want to get rid of ?
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monkey7020
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Oct 11, 2008 - 01:02 AM |
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No, this is not perfectly legal, it is called tax fraud!
Btw, the recent changes to the way food fapiao's are issued will mean it will be more and more difficult to use this method of avoiding tax. You've probably noticed a lot of restaurants have changed already... |
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Jolynne
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Oct 11, 2008 - 08:02 AM |
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I am sorry, but as a former restaurant manager I do not understand why you cannot take 10 seconds to ask the waiter or waitress to give you a fapiao.....why would you go to the trouble of trying to buy them illegally off of the street..... |
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dys
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Oct 11, 2008 - 08:07 AM |
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btw you can't use supermarket fapiao.
i don't really think the new way fapiao's are issued, i.e. the printed ones, really prevents them from being circulated for use by other people. |
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Shangstar
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Oct 11, 2008 - 08:38 AM |
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go to Laris and eat a couple of steaks and drink a bottle of wine - you'll get the fapiao you need then and be happy and content. |
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p1atl10
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Oct 11, 2008 - 08:45 AM |
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^ No he won't....because then he will actually have spent the money he is getting reimbursed for. |
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dys
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Oct 11, 2008 - 09:07 AM |
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you can buy them at the train station for about 2% of their face-value. However, I'dd recommend going with a chinese person who is able to detect if they're fake. |
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Pierrro
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Oct 11, 2008 - 01:01 PM |
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I & my Gf do eat for 10000 Rmb per month (include restaurant, supermarket...) ==> Which is around 300Rmb per day average... It's just a pain to collect all the Fapiao from Restaurant, small vendors (especially 7-11 type), supermarket... So yes I do collect Fapiao but not enought.
I don't think anything illegal as long as I eat for 10 000 (which is true) and claim for 10 000... I does not change the word if the Fapiao do not 100% match
How to detect a fake fapiao btw? |
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Misteral
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Oct 11, 2008 - 01:17 PM |
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Fraud! Plain and simple. Of course your company (or another employee) may be party to it but it is still fraud, as you would not be claiming genuine expenses. Anyway,what you do is your own affair. But really, you are a lazy git. Can't be bothered to wait around for a fapiao? I mean, what kind of excuse is that for trying to get others involved? It's your expense account. Use it, be thankful you have it and live it up. I would.
I don't think many expats in your position would stoop so low and come on this board publicly asking for help in a fraud. Unbelievable. |
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underh20
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Oct 11, 2008 - 01:29 PM |
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^ Exactly.
And the fact that OP offers 2% is, at best, laughable. Not only is he lazy, but also a cheapskate. |
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chingiskhan
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Oct 11, 2008 - 02:45 PM |
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How lazy can you get. It's not like you're the one who has to write out the fa piao even that is done for you. |
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chingiskhan
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Oct 11, 2008 - 02:50 PM |
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Sorry that was very rude of me, but I can't understand how asking for a fa piao when you're dining out is MORE trouble than posting on here and then having to arrange pick up and payment - surely that's even more effort for a lazy person to endure, isn't it? |
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Magnolia
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Oct 12, 2008 - 10:28 AM |
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Goodness! When did everyone on this site develop such a refined sense of ethics?
Sure, the OP is being lazy and the value itsn't great... but I know there were tons and tons of times that I used to have to collect fapiao's to cover the cost of non-fapiao'd items. I would simply save personal travel, restaurant, taxi receipts and submit those, along with an internal explanation of what the real expense was for. Was it my fault that certain things weren't issued an official receipt (ie, the fabric market... i spent upwards of RMB12K per month there, but in small quantities... they would only issue those silly non-fapiao things)? Tax fraud? Perhaps. Necessary due to the fact that only official receipts are acceptable? Yes.
Of course, if the OP's personal food budget is RMB10K per month then it really shouldn't be too difficult to acquire a few in that amount. It will be far easier to collect the fapiao when possible and then collect non-work related receipts to fill in the gaps. |
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bearfamily
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:16 PM |
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I'm relatively new here, BUT I will say that there are plenty of places like small eateries, bakeries, stands, etc that have given me a lot of attitude about getting a fapiao. Others give a long list of excuses (come back tommorow, we're out, too busy). I have even been flat out refused. Any opinions or tips on how to get around that (if you have limited Chinese skills?).
My job also allows my food expenses to be covered and I really do need them but getting yelled at or given dirty looks is not fun. Although these tend to be smaller expenses (a bao here and milk tea there) it does add up. |
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Magnolia
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:32 PM |
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| bearfamily wrote: |
I'm relatively new here, BUT I will say that there are plenty of places like small eateries, bakeries, stands, etc that have given me a lot of attitude about getting a fapiao. Others give a long list of excuses (come back tommorow, we're out, too busy). I have even been flat out refused. Any opinions or tips on how to get around that (if you have limited Chinese skills?).
My job also allows my food expenses to be covered and I really do need them but getting yelled at or given dirty looks is not fun. Although these tend to be smaller expenses (a bao here and milk tea there) it does add up. |
depending on your office, just collect other official receipts and submit those in place of the expenses you couldn't get fapiao's for. at the end of the day if you don't lie, take advantage and keep decent accounting records then your conscience should be clear. |
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p1atl10
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Oct 12, 2008 - 01:03 PM |
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| bearfamily wrote: |
I'm relatively new here, BUT I will say that there are plenty of places like small eateries, bakeries, stands, etc that have given me a lot of attitude about getting a fapiao. Others give a long list of excuses (come back tommorow, we're out, too busy). I have even been flat out refused. Any opinions or tips on how to get around that (if you have limited Chinese skills?).
My job also allows my food expenses to be covered and I really do need them but getting yelled at or given dirty looks is not fun. Although these tend to be smaller expenses (a bao here and milk tea there) it does add up. |
depending on your office, just collect other official receipts and submit those in place of the expenses you couldn't get fapiao's for. at the end of the day if you don't lie, take advantage and keep decent accounting records then your conscience should be clear. |
My business....even if the amounts are correct, but you are faking the fapiao's..
Bye Bye! |
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monkey7020
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Oct 12, 2008 - 02:10 PM |
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Simple... if they refuse to issue a fapiao, refuse to pay. By refusing to issue a fapiao, they are avoiding paying tax on what you just purchased. |
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Magnolia
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Oct 12, 2008 - 02:11 PM |
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all dependant on the business though... when i had to spend cash at the fabric market (for example) no fapiaos were available. the choice is spend out my own pocket (not my personal company and i didn't work on design commission) or use other official receipts to get the job done... hands down, get the job done. nothing was hidden and all was accounted for internally. our company was set up for this though which is why i said it is dependent on the office. |
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p1atl10
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Oct 12, 2008 - 03:08 PM |
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We use a "Lost Receipt Form" for cases like this.
Manager signs it....same a Fapiao for expense report and tax purposes |
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Magnolia
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Oct 12, 2008 - 03:25 PM |
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the number of non-fapiao purchases that had to be made (by people in the company and myself) would render that system unworkable. the receipt game was ongoing, a daily part of business. if we were to blanket expenses with a 'lost receipt form' it would have the same outcome. since the majority of fapiao-less tranactions were in small denomnations it was easier to submit other receipts to cover the cost. |
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Magnolia
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Oct 12, 2008 - 03:26 PM |
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i think the major difference is in the overall sum. |
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sweenytodd
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Oct 12, 2008 - 03:48 PM |
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I know its painful collecting these, I have to collect for all types - transport, food etc ... but thats the only legal way....
You have 10,000 Rmb quota? Thats massive. 
| Pierrro wrote: |
Hi there
I need food Fapiao, Restaurant or Supermarket (10 000 Rmb per month). This is perfectly legal and part of my package with company, but I cannot be arsed to collect Fapiao every time I do Shopping or eat out.
I am ready to pay 2% of their value for the service. Could anybody point me where to buy them... Or would anybody have a stack of food Fapiao they want to get rid of ?
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chingiskhan
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Oct 12, 2008 - 04:58 PM |
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| Magnolia wrote: |
Goodness! When did everyone on this site develop such a refined sense of ethics?
Sure, the OP is being lazy and the value itsn't great... but I know there were tons and tons of times that I used to have to collect fapiao's to cover the cost of non-fapiao'd items. |
I see your point but that's totally different to the OP's case. He's saying he easily eats 10k worth but just can't be bothered to take the fapiao when he pays.
Your business seems to involved lots of unusual expense items. I've only ever once needed to claim something from the fabric market, usually it's a personal expense. I did get a fa piao though from there so it can be done but I guess not all vendors can do it. |
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sellhahaha
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Oct 12, 2008 - 05:31 PM |
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| monkey7020 wrote: |
| Simple... if they refuse to issue a fapiao, refuse to pay. By refusing to issue a fapiao, they are avoiding paying tax on what you just purchased. |
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Its a good way but not so realistic in China |
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LifeMage
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Oct 12, 2008 - 05:39 PM |
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He could rummage throw the garbage cans outside supermarkets and convenience stores.
I'm sure he could find plenty of fapiaos (hey, he might even find some bottles and cans too!) |
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