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Juan_Tamad
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July 20, 2009 - 08:35 AM |
 
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A friend arrived with a "Z" visa from his previous company and stayed in a hotel for a few days, he moved to a short term apartment for the last two weeks but has not registered since he wants to look at opportunities. He is not working right now. The company took his residence permit when they laid him off due to downsizing two months ago. How can he register if he does not have residence permit only a "Z" visa?
His visa is still up to next year. He registered in the police station before in the same area that he is living right now, it just another building. |
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robnot
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July 20, 2009 - 11:09 AM |
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I just received my resident permit which is valid 15th July 2009 to 10th July 2010.
Less than 1 year so it should be 400 rmb right?
When I applied the officer put 1.5 yrs on the form (since my passport is only valid for another 1.5yrs) so the amount to pay at that time was 800 rmb. The courier guy collected 800 rmb from the employee that picked it up, and the form that was stuck to the package also specified 800 rmb.
We called the info number and the lady on the line confirmed it should be 400 rmb for "less than a year" ie 364 days or less. She then told us that if we thought it was "unfair" we should go to Pudong PSB to ask about it there. It sounds like I should just let this go... what do you think?? |
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yu888
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July 20, 2009 - 01:49 PM |
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| Juan_Tamad wrote: |
A friend arrived with a "Z" visa from his previous company and stayed in a hotel for a few days, he moved to a short term apartment for the last two weeks but has not registered since he wants to look at opportunities. He is not working right now. The company took his residence permit when they laid him off due to downsizing two months ago. How can he register if he does not have residence permit only a "Z" visa?
His visa is still up to next year. He registered in the police station before in the same area that he is living right now, it just another building. |
His "Z visa" was only valid for 30 days form date of issue, so i highly doubt he has a valid on. What he likely lost was hos WORK Permit as his Residents permit is in his passport. (Unless you mean his Res Permit was cancelled and he got that 30 day L visa to get out of dodge) Sounds like you have your facts wrong or someone screwed him royally... |
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yu888
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July 20, 2009 - 01:51 PM |
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| robnot wrote: |
I just received my resident permit which is valid 15th July 2009 to 10th July 2010.
Less than 1 year so it should be 400 rmb right?
When I applied the officer put 1.5 yrs on the form (since my passport is only valid for another 1.5yrs) so the amount to pay at that time was 800 rmb. The courier guy collected 800 rmb from the employee that picked it up, and the form that was stuck to the package also specified 800 rmb.
We called the info number and the lady on the line confirmed it should be 400 rmb for "less than a year" ie 364 days or less. She then told us that if we thought it was "unfair" we should go to Pudong PSB to ask about it there. It sounds like I should just let this go... what do you think?? |
for 400rmb ? I'd let it go. Officer basically did you a favor by saving you some time for an extra trip out. But only half year extra is your passport's fault.  |
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Juan_Tamad
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Joined: Jan 29, 2007
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July 20, 2009 - 04:44 PM |
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| Juan_Tamad wrote: |
A friend arrived with a "Z" visa from his previous company and stayed in a hotel for a few days, he moved to a short term apartment for the last two weeks but has not registered since he wants to look at opportunities. He is not working right now. The company took his residence permit when they laid him off due to downsizing two months ago. How can he register if he does not have residence permit only a "Z" visa?
His visa is still up to next year. He registered in the police station before in the same area that he is living right now, it just another building. |
His "Z visa" was only valid for 30 days form date of issue, so i highly doubt he has a valid on. What he likely lost was hos WORK Permit as his Residents permit is in his passport. (Unless you mean his Res Permit was cancelled and he got that 30 day L visa to get out of dodge) Sounds like you have your facts wrong or someone screwed him royally... |
You are right. He still has his residence permit (In his passport) which is valid till january 2010 the company took back his brown work permit when he was laid off last May. He went back two weeks ago to look for opportunities and got in immigration using said residence permit
If he registers with the police, will they look for his work permit? or showing the residence permit is enough?
Acually tthe question is does he really need to? He has registered in the police station before in the same area that he is living right now. He just moved to another building when he came back. |
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buckeye
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July 25, 2009 - 07:19 PM |
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robnot,
You are lucky to get 0.5 yr more for RMB 400 exta. I sent in the app on 7/18, on the receipt it's printed that the expiration date for my Residence Permit will be 7/18/2010. I have to pay RMB 800 - 400 extra just for 1 more day!
Yu888 or anyone can help, once I get the Residence Permit, do I still need to get a new Pink slip each time I move around Pudong? Actually I just moved from hotel to an apartment right after I submitted my Res Permit app, without my passport on hand I have not registered for another pink skip yet. Please advise. Thanks. |
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*Sarita
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July 25, 2009 - 08:02 PM |
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Yes you need a new pink slip if you move address. They will ask for this the next time you extend your work permit and they see your address has changed. |
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yu888
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July 26, 2009 - 06:50 AM |
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If he registers with the police, will they look for his work permit? or showing the residence permit is enough?
Acually tthe question is does he really need to? He has registered in the police station before in the same area that he is living right now. He just moved to another building when he came back. |
They will not ask for work permit. He does still need to register if he moved. |
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yu888
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July 26, 2009 - 06:51 AM |
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BUCKEY, YES, you need to go at least once to re-register using new documentation (res permit) adn will need to again ONLY wen changing documentation (aka new visa, res permit, passport) or if you move. |
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buckeye
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Aug 06, 2009 - 01:56 PM |
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Thanks for your help and finally I got everything (related to Z visa) done.
For temporary registration, the one I received from PSB is a just printed black/white paper, a little bit different than the pink one from the Hotel. Even I had worried about the fines for doing this 2-week late, they didn't ask for the original pink slip at all while only confirmed the date I filled in as the Date of Arrival at Present Residence. YMMV.
For the Residence Permit, they charged me RMB 800 (1 to 3 years rate) with Issue Date 5/31/09 and Valid Until 5/18/10 printed there. Definitely this is wrong I think but decided not to argue with them (maybe will mention this at renewal). At Pudong Bureau of Exit-Entry, I did talked with their supervisors at Window #4, who were nice and helpful. No need to get a ticket to do this. |
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newspaper
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Aug 09, 2009 - 09:45 PM |
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So far as I know the Chinese Embassy in Hong Kong can cancel your Z visa and issue you a new F business visa. What country are you from?
You may PM me for a contact that has
helped a few of my friends get 1 year visa and I think they do many things for expats, company registration,etc.
As i didnt use them personally though, I cannot tell if they are good in visa stuff problems.
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siryu
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Aug 31, 2009 - 01:13 PM |
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hi yu888, my work visa and residence permit will expire on Nov 11, and I plan to apply for L visa, can I do it in Shanghai directly or do I have to go to other country and apply from there? And do I have to apply through agent? I am Indonesian. thanks.. |
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trecy
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Aug 31, 2009 - 02:03 PM |
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| hi yu888, my work visa and residence permit will expire on Nov 11, and I plan to apply for L visa, can I do it in Shanghai directly or do I have to go to other country and apply from there? And do I have to apply through agent? I am Indonesian. thanks.. |
hi...apa kabar??
maybe you can find agent at http://www.jdlglobal.com/corp_service/visa/index.html
nice to meet you.
what job your doing at shanghai?
Me from indonesian too |
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mrrat
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Sep 08, 2009 - 10:02 PM |
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| hi yu888, my work visa and residence permit will expire on Nov 11, and I plan to apply for L visa, can I do it in Shanghai directly or do I have to go to other country and apply from there? And do I have to apply through agent? I am Indonesian. thanks.. |
i have the same question. also, is a resignation certificate and a cancellation letter of the foreign expert certificate necessary to apply for an L visa? |
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yu888
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As far as I know, these days they will only issue a 30 day L visa to most applicants. As i do not know their current criteria, it would be best for you to contact he Entry Exit Bureau to ask for the most recent info. |
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Wilsonian
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Sep 09, 2009 - 05:56 AM |
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A travel agency wants to hire me for translation. Can I go to Hong Kong to change my tourist visa to a work visa? I am American. I see someone on this thread says 'no'. But someone else has told me that they did this just 2 weeks ago. So I'm trying to find some definitive information. Many thanks. (I have also heard Guam). |
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zam
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Oct 01, 2009 - 09:47 PM |
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Hi Yu (and others), please help me on the following issue!
CUrrently I am doing a job but in search of a better one, I went through some interviews and got a better job offer. Now if I want to join this new job, will I have to go back to my country and apply for a new ZVisa based on the work permit of my new company or can I get a new residence permit within 30 days after leaving my current job, without leaving China?
If I can get the new residence permit without leaving China, then what will be the procedure?
Thanks in advance |
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Unisys
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Hi, I have a problem here. Previously i work in shanghai last year until my company has relocated me to Australia and Malaysia. However, my working permit has expired on April 2009 and recently i do shipped all my personal effects from Melbourne, Australia to Shanghai. The shipment will be arrive in any days from now. However, when i want to renew my work permit they told me I need to re-apply a new work permit. This will take long time and my goods will be here in any days. I check with my shipping agent and they told me to look for someone who has recently transfer to Shanghai and who just get their work permit below 3 months old. Do anyone here can help me with this matter. I'm not sure whether this is a good idea but i need to do clearance as soon as possible since most of my important thing inside the shipment. Please advice. Thank you. |
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yu888
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First off, Your company really should be handling this for you if indeed they transferred you, but if the delay in shippping is your choice, then it seems you missed a few steps in doing your homework and now are a bit stuck. Yes, your work permit will need to be in order before you can claim your stuff. A GOOD relo company would have told you this before you shipped it. FInd a relo company here that perhaps has access to someone else that recently got relocated. Considering you have previous Shanghai experience, you should have known better. |
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yu888
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Oct 18, 2009 - 03:30 PM |
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Hi Yu (and others), please help me on the following issue!
CUrrently I am doing a job but in search of a better one, I went through some interviews and got a better job offer. Now if I want to join this new job, will I have to go back to my country and apply for a new ZVisa based on the work permit of my new company or can I get a new residence permit within 30 days after leaving my current job, without leaving China?
If I can get the new residence permit without leaving China, then what will be the procedure?
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You MAY be able to but make sure you have all your documentation, including that which releases you from the old company. Only way to know for sure is to go to the labor bureau and start the process and ask. |
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yu888
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Oct 18, 2009 - 03:33 PM |
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| A travel agency wants to hire me for translation. Can I go to Hong Kong to change my tourist visa to a work visa? I am American. I see someone on this thread says 'no'. But someone else has told me that they did this just 2 weeks ago. So I'm trying to find some definitive information. Many thanks. (I have also heard Guam). |
needing definitive information about bureaucratic procedures in China is somewhat akin to asking whether or not my son will poop today. Changeable all the time.
Answer for you is sadly yes most of teh time, no some of the time, depending on political factors, government factors, and how the HK office staff is feeling the day you go. Hopefully the sun, the moon and the stars aligned when you went. |
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Shangstar
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Oct 18, 2009 - 03:41 PM |
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Hi Yu (and others), please help me on the following issue!
CUrrently I am doing a job but in search of a better one, I went through some interviews and got a better job offer. Now if I want to join this new job, will I have to go back to my country and apply for a new ZVisa based on the work permit of my new company or can I get a new residence permit within 30 days after leaving my current job, without leaving China?
If I can get the new residence permit without leaving China, then what will be the procedure?
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This can be done in the mainland without the need for a new Z visa. I understand the work permit booklet needs to be updated by the Ministry of Labor. Only your new employer can arrange for this. A new residence permit may be applied for on the basis of the new employment contract and updated work permit, and you will need a release letter from old employer. You wont need to do the health check again. |
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dekcah
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Oct 19, 2009 - 12:07 PM |
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I am goign to renew my Z visa on this weekend.
Can anyone tell me what I need to bring in for this to be renewed? |
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KalanStar
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Nov 01, 2009 - 02:01 PM |
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to yu888:
I read your blog on getting work permits in China. Very informative.
I just have one question: Why do you say people have to go to their home countries and apply for a Z visa? Z visa's don't actually let you work in China they just allow you to enter. After entry one has to get a permanent residency and work permit (and expert's certificate quite often). Also, in Shanghai, most local companies ask people to arrive on a tourist visa, and then they process the work permit, residency, and any other certification with out the applicant having to leave the country. |
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yu888
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Nov 01, 2009 - 03:12 PM |
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A Z visa starts the process. Not all applicants need to start in their home country but many are required to do so. In most cases, the PSB needs top see you enter on a Z visa, showing intent to work in China, in order to complete the rest opf teh process at the labor board to get a work permit and your residents permit (NOT PERMANENT RESIDENCY) to allow one to both work and love in China.
Exceptions to the rules include applicants for GM and VICE GM level positions, AND for companies well capitalised companies which are allowed the convenience of having applicants apply inside teh country. |
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