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kevincape
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Mar 09, 2009 - 02:12 PM |
 
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Who can give me information about the food and beverage industry more related to cost of staff... it would be greatly appreciated |
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Chingis
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Mar 09, 2009 - 02:31 PM |
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Be more specific, and you may get some useful information. Since it's your first post you may want to put a little effort into it if you wish to have a fruitful future with other posters here. For a start, put a little thought into the post title. Secondly, say clearly what you want, and perhaps even why you want the information you are after.
If you are not even willing to put any effort into your request, then why would you expect others to put any effort into a reply?
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mat
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Mar 09, 2009 - 02:45 PM |
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I was about to say exactly the same thing, but couldn't even be arsed doing that. It's pretty clear this person has not put a lot of thought into what they want. |
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chingiskhan
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Mar 09, 2009 - 02:46 PM |
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Reminds me of a Chinese guy who wrote to me once by email and said "can you tell me everything you know about study abroad?". WTF!!! |
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Boronia
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Mar 09, 2009 - 03:10 PM |
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RussianBear
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Mar 09, 2009 - 03:15 PM |
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| kevincape wrote: |
| Who can give me information about the food and beverage industry more related to cost of staff... it would be greatly appreciated |
Ok, this is BAOZI.
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monalisalee
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Mar 09, 2009 - 03:25 PM |
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Comments harsh but true. MUCH more information needed. |
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Shangstar
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Mar 09, 2009 - 04:08 PM |
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A bar man on average receives 350 RMB per hour in wages, with 300 RMB being the lowest. Waiting staff receive 275 RMB per hour minimum.
Cleaners receive about 250 RMB per hour minimum.
Chef receives about 750 RMB per hour minimum.
Security guards charge around 1,000 RMB per hour. They also need to be provided with "Golden Handshakes" of around 5000 RMB upon hiring.
Let me know how your business goes. I have friends who would be interested in the above positions. |
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mat
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Mar 09, 2009 - 04:19 PM |
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^ I think he's after how much they earn, not how much they steal or get in kickbacks from suppliers. |
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MalonesGroup
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Mar 09, 2009 - 04:24 PM |
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mat
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Mar 09, 2009 - 04:26 PM |
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^ oh you laugh, but me and you both know it's correct. Infact, it might be understating it a little, especially the Chef. |
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Chingis
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Mar 09, 2009 - 04:50 PM |
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Mat said:
shouldn't that be "you and I"?
Despite your English being a little unclear and hard to understand, I've GOTTA say I agree with you Mat...Malones must be living in denial. The level of difficulty of stealing from a bar/ restaurant should be written into the job advertisement, as it directly affects how long staff are likely to stay. |
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mat
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Mar 09, 2009 - 08:03 PM |
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Thanks Chingis for your much appreciated Chinglis lessons.
Anyway, i can help this fella out with some numbers.
Basically, a Head Chef numbers would read like this ;
Head Chef Salary, about 30rmb per hour. But, they are able to steal about 700 per hour worth of goods and equipment. The number 2 chef should, on a normal day, be stealing 300rmb per hour worth of goods/Equipment. Of that, the Head Chef is taking 200rmb.
The number 3 chef should himself be stealing a good 100rmb worth of goods/equipment, which would result in 100rmb/hour for the headchef.
The number 4 and 5 chefs should be taking 50rmb/hour worth of goods/equipment, but having to pay the headchef 100/hour each to do so,.
Therefore, the HeadChef should be on 30rmb/hour salary, but 1200/hour, making their hour salary/booty about 1230/hour.
This i think is about the average. Hope i helped.
Our mate Chingis up in Urumqi is paying hardship allowances on top of this, so his Chef salary/Booty is probably a fair bit higher than the 1230 for Shanghai. |
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afxduffy
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Mar 11, 2009 - 06:53 PM |
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Mat,
you forgot the Aiyees selling the glasses and plateware (100 rumba each per day), the handyman writing up his own fapiaos and selling off the compressor that "broke" out the back door(2100 per month), and the grand poobah of them all.......purchasing managers (pick a number, triple it and add another 100k for good measure)
Am sure the responses here must have the original poster stoked, if not stroked! |
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MarkDow
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Mar 11, 2009 - 08:56 PM |
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Mat said:
shouldn't that be "you and I"?
Despite your English being a little unclear and hard to understand, I've GOTTA say I agree with you Mat...Malones must be living in denial. The level of difficulty of stealing from a bar/ restaurant should be written into the job advertisement, as it directly affects how long staff are likely to stay. |
I agree with you both, doesn't stealing happen in any country though in F&B. |
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tihZ_hO
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Mar 11, 2009 - 11:08 PM |
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| ^ oh you laugh, but me and you both know it's correct. Infact, it might be understating it a little, especially the Chef. |
That's a given.
Like all buyers expect the kickback from suppliers as an essential part of their compensation. The same concept of tipping back home - its expected.
The problem is you can never be sure of what you are getting is good from a supplier or they just tipped batter than the other supplier. |
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Chingis
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Mar 11, 2009 - 11:24 PM |
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It's perhaps the same concept, but differs in the fact that one is a theoretically voluntary donation, given and accepted for good service, whereas the other is theft from an employeer. |
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tihZ_hO
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Mar 11, 2009 - 11:43 PM |
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| It's perhaps the same concept, but differs in the fact that one is a theoretically voluntary donation, given and accepted for good service, whereas the other is theft from an employeer. |
Not voluntary and not a donation
Its an expected bribe.
Yes, agreed the other is outright theft. Ayi's do this all the time - got to watch them.
We had this one Ayi we suspected of theft but no proof - small things missing. My wife got the idea and pointed to my PC which is always on and told the ayi that it records EVERYTHING she does. She got really spooked and it seemed to work! hahaha |
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wonderer
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Mar 11, 2009 - 11:49 PM |
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| kevincape wrote: |
| Who can give me information about the food and beverage industry more related to cost of staff... it would be greatly appreciated |
I'm having a troll party this weekend, would you like to come? I guess you qualify, with exactly one post, but so many responses. |
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tihZ_hO
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Mar 11, 2009 - 11:54 PM |
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| kevincape wrote: |
| Who can give me information about the food and beverage industry more related to cost of staff... it would be greatly appreciated |
I'm having a troll party this weekend, would you like to come? I guess you qualify, with exactly one post, but so many responses. |
It was the "catchy" title that did it... |
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leidelaohu
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Mar 11, 2009 - 11:58 PM |
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| It's perhaps the same concept, but differs in the fact that one is a theoretically voluntary donation, given and accepted for good service, whereas the other is theft from an employeer. |
When the culture is based on theft, the word loses all meaning. China has been based on "what can I get ?" without any ethical strings attached for a good two thousand years.
You're pissing against the wind, Chinghis. Do you think your namesake got his empire by paying for it ? |
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Chingis
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Mar 12, 2009 - 12:32 AM |
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I realise I'm pissing into the wind, but one has to do what one can to mitigate the losses. This morning I installed security cameras in the kitchen, and storeroom, much to the surprise of the kitchen staff. Big brother doesn't have to be watching, though I think that if he at least appears to be watching then it may have some kind of positive effect, and encourage a kind of self-censorship. |
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wonderer
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Mar 12, 2009 - 01:21 AM |
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Hi Chingis. It would have been slightly smarter to install the surveillance cameras without the staff knowing, then you catch a few. Anyway, if you have a good system, it's not so hard. I cue mine on motion and check the records every day, on fast forward it doesn't take so long. |
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compsolutions
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Mar 12, 2009 - 07:51 AM |
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What we did was install 3 camera's in our bar, then tell the staff we installed 5. Drove them nuts for 2 weeks trying to work out where the other 2 camera's were.
As Mat etc say, as F&B has a high percentage of cash income, its easier to swipe money, its just a matter of how much and mitigating it.
You can stay on top of it (and you should). |
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p1atl10
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Mar 12, 2009 - 08:36 PM |
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| wonderer wrote: |
| Hi Chingis. It would have been slightly smarter to install the surveillance cameras without the staff knowing, then you catch a few. Anyway, if you have a good system, it's not so hard. I cue mine on motion and check the records every day, on fast forward it doesn't take so long. |
Next time you go to The Spot...
Look above the bar and see how many camera's you see.
All pointed at the bar staff.
SOP |
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