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fukuman
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they got some super strains of the clap, thats about the only culture ive vultured |
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ChanadaGirl
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China is under development, there are millions poor people who can't even afford school...what do you expect????? if you hate china so much, maybe you can piss off back to England?
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"One of the most cultured people in the world"
"An ancient civilisation"
Yeah, well maybe. But WHAT is China now ? And what is modern contemporary Chinese culture ?
This is what Fidel sees as Chinese cultural habits:
1) Spitting
2) Dressing like idiots
3) White tiled architecture
4) Faked other people's products
Um....not exactly a hotbed of intellectual progress is it ?
Maybe Fidel is missing something.
What is modern Chinese and cultured ?
Just thought I'd ask.
Fidel |
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fukuman
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Aug 22, 2004 - 06:45 PM |
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"China is under development, there are millions poor people who can't even afford school...what do you expect????? if you hate china so much, maybe you can piss off back to England?"
sounds familiar this 1. But if u dont like our opinions, y dont u f-off back to OICQ?
Let me guess, free english lessons, only way u can get to interact with a foreigner as they have no choice, hoping to find foreign boyfriend. |
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Benoist_Shanghai
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Aug 22, 2004 - 07:02 PM |
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Oh dear, firstly we are going to have to define what we mean by culture here.
Benoist says that it cant include art. |
Did I say that ?
"Culture being made, apart from the obvious artistic dimension (litterature, theater, painting, sculpture, dance, singing, cinema, architecture and so on), of all social, intellectual and religious manifestations, structures, trends. ".
Forgive my poor English if this is what you understand from that.
What I meant was Culture = arts+social, intellectual and religious manifestations, structures, trends.
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lajarbour
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Sep 10, 2004 - 04:15 PM |
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I think Fidel is wrong in seeing modern Chinese culture seperate from ancient Chinese civilization. What I intend to say is that culture is a continuum -- the annoying spitting habits, terrible dressing, architectural style and disrespect for intellectural property all have their historic reasons.
As a country that has not undergone Industrial Revolution, China is not well aware of the concepts like public sphere, private sphere and the value of one's original ideas. So people may spit on the streets while their home is clean and tidy. And they may go out wearing pajamas yet still feel ashamed when running into friends. This is caused by the lack of a sense of public sphere. As for the disrespect for intellectual property, there are really rampant practices of violation in rural China which again demonstrates that the lack of a Industrial Revolution is the underlying reason.
Yet while admitting the ugliness of these habits, it is also true that modern China has undergone significant progression in these aspects. At least, my generation is doing much better than the preceding generations. Fidel, you would be more tolerant of the situation if you are familiar with how China was ten years ago. As a country still developing, China would definitely witness more changes in the near future.
If Fidel is still unsatisfied by my answer, I think what the athletes have done during the 28th Olympic Games already show the spirit of a new China. |
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jenming
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Sep 10, 2004 - 05:31 PM |
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I find it rather ridiculous using athletes groomed for their entire lives to compete for the country to represent the "spirit of a new China". What do they have to do with the common people of china? They are paid huge sums for winning medals. They are an entire different class of people from your average fruit merchant, farmer, or factory worker. |
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lajarbour
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Sep 10, 2004 - 06:52 PM |
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Yet you are not likely to find athletes like these ten years ago, right? |
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Edgewood
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Joined: Jan 28, 2004
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Sep 15, 2004 - 12:47 PM |
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Point being? There's a lot of things you couldn't find in China 10 years ago... like the wheel, fire, paper, language (grunting doesn't count), concrete... And there's plenty you still can't find today, like justice, freedom, clean air, clean water, manners, social awareness... |
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shanghaibarry
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Sep 15, 2004 - 01:04 PM |
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Modern is a relative word... what is now and different from the past is modern to me...
Culture is the sum of social behaviors, judging the validity of a culture by whether one spits, dresses in style is purely from a differet cultural perspective. Try to go up to someone who's spiting on the street and ask them whether he or she thinks it's wrong, the answer is probably a puzzling look.
What is Modern Chinese Culture? It's everything around you here in China, not just Shanghai but everywhere else within this vast country. Be it good or bad from an outsider perspective, it doesn't matter, it's just the culture. Culture in itself has no right or wrong.
Culture is also an open-system, influences from things and themes the existing culture comes in contact with. You are part of Modern Chinese Culture and you are shaping it every minute you come in contact with China and its people. |
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serend
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Sep 17, 2004 - 08:07 PM |
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Did anyone bother to read the most well-informed posting in this thread, the one by Toronto Expat? I saw no response or recognition, only repetition of their own not so intelligent "ideas". |
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FooJay
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Sep 17, 2004 - 08:08 PM |
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Did anyone bother to read the most well-informed posting in this thread, the one by Toronto Expat? I saw no response or recognition, only repetition of their own not so intelligent "ideas". A forum can be interactive than this, you know. |
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