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cantcheckemailnopw
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June 28, 2009 - 12:27 PM |
 
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| Cambronne wrote: |
| Except that the corrupt business people behind this are likely to be the kind of people who own villas in California and perhaps has a US passport. Or perhaps he is already on his way and will apply for political refugee status. The media will certainly blame this on communism while it is rather the opposite. |
Anything bad happens and its an americans fault. You're one of those people that think China would be just as great without all the foreign investment. |
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tihZ_hO
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June 28, 2009 - 12:37 PM |
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I wonder if they are thinking...
"Since it fell over in one piece couldn't we just sit it back upright?
Hmmmmmmmm |
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Battered deep fried butter, donut hamburgers, is it any wonder America has more body mass than China. China is the counterweight for America or else the Earth would be unbalanced and fly into the sun. |
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tihZ_hO
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June 28, 2009 - 12:44 PM |
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Yes this is a sad someone died, no question of that.
This is funny because of how Chinese do things.  |
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Battered deep fried butter, donut hamburgers, is it any wonder America has more body mass than China. China is the counterweight for America or else the Earth would be unbalanced and fly into the sun. |
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pwm
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June 28, 2009 - 02:00 PM |
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Last year a couple of existing New York City buildings were destroy by the construction cranes next door toppling on them. Sadly people died. |
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leidelaohu
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June 28, 2009 - 02:04 PM |
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| cantcheckemailnopw wrote: |
| China would be just as great without all the foreign investment. |
Absolutely. |
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monalisalee
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June 28, 2009 - 02:08 PM |
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Interesting heading for this thread. "Relocation and Moving".
How very apt......... |
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cantcheckemailnopw
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June 28, 2009 - 02:13 PM |
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Before the 1980s China was barely a step ahead of North Korea. |
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leidelaohu
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June 28, 2009 - 02:26 PM |
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| Before the 1980s China was barely a step ahead of North Korea. |
Your measuring stick is totally fucked up.
First, you weren't here so may as well just stfu. "I read it in Reader's Digest so it must be true !!" (Try not to drool on your shirt, cant)
Second, by your standards pre-European Tahiti and pre-Mormon Hawaii were also "barely a step ahead of North Korea."
It's your yardstick that's screwed up. |
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OZDave
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June 28, 2009 - 03:16 PM |
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Harsh...
Just quietly I suspect that the trade surplus may have had something to do with the kick start to this economic growth rather than internal domestic demand. Perhaps that's outside of your definition of investment...
Most of the China designed goods I try are crap... give me something based on an initial foreign ownership / investment / input anyday... |
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balbon
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June 28, 2009 - 04:08 PM |
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that incident is just the very tip of the iceberg imo. i've seen the development of high-rise apt buildings in my area and whoah boy, pray that no earthquake strucks shanghai because i sh*t you not, an intensity 3 earthquake will topple them apts like dominoes. |
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jeffinflorida
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June 28, 2009 - 04:47 PM |
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| cantcheckemailnopw wrote: |
| Before the 1980s China was barely a step ahead of North Korea. |
Your measuring stick is totally fucked up.
First, you weren't here so may as well just stfu. "I read it in Reader's Digest so it must be true !!" (Try not to drool on your shirt, cant)
Second, by your standards pre-European Tahiti and pre-Mormon Hawaii were also "barely a step ahead of North Korea."
It's your yardstick that's screwed up. |
haha direct and to the point! Love it leidelaohu... |
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leidelaohu
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June 28, 2009 - 08:36 PM |
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| Just quietly I suspect that the trade surplus may have had something to do with the kick start to this economic growth rather than internal domestic demand. Perhaps that's outside of your definition of investment... |
That's outside my definition of the quality of life. If you are going to gage the quality of life by material possessions then best get the hell out of China quick. Material stuff here is garbage. Chinese products are crap, Chinese workers are not so good, Chinese management is crap, Chinese planning is crap, Chinese manufacturing is total crap. Chinese service is a pitiful joke. Anything you can gage with money is worse than trash. Better to get the hell out.
It was the quality of life that was better prior to this influx of foreigner money. When I got off the plane here in the past I always felt like someone took a fifty pound sandbag off my shoulders. A lot of things were awful but China was egalitarian, flexible, human-oriented rather than ideology-oriented. They were not a police state like the US is. They didn't worship the biggest asshole with a Bentley because no one had a Bentley. And the food was a hundred times better before they learned how to pick green then ship it in from Wasilla in semi-refrigerated trucks.
Before foreigner money China was not a paradise but it was honest and interesting Nowadays it's a huge, boring fraud. You can take your foreign investment and shove it, all it's done is damage the country. |
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Shangstar
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June 28, 2009 - 08:43 PM |
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nice one leidelaohu! There are also a lot of countries i visit that are still like the China you describe i.e. honest and down to earth. |
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Rumpelstiltskin
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June 28, 2009 - 09:23 PM |
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Just saw on Chinese news tens, maybe hundreds, of people at the developpers office demanding money back, if there were total 7 or 8 building, each building say 25 floor x 4 apartments thats 700~800 apartments. Considering each appartment is wide family thing (parents, child, often also grandparents) that's maybe 5K+ people rioting... |
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zerg
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June 28, 2009 - 09:28 PM |
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I don't think the quality is so bad as u think...it just was bad luck and some stupid construction guys who careless put tons of soil upon near the the river... |
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victorinchina
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June 28, 2009 - 09:29 PM |
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| a butterfly flaps it's wing in Florida, a building falls over in China |
That's some deep Zen right there.... Everything is connected... nommnommmnoooommmm |
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zerg
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June 28, 2009 - 09:30 PM |
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actually it is a good chance to invest on those discount apts...worth it |
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RussianBear
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June 28, 2009 - 09:37 PM |
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| actually it is a good chance to invest on those discount apts...worth it |
..before it all will falling down.
Really, guys, how they will demolish it ? Dissolve it in the urine of workers ? |
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Rumpelstiltskin
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June 28, 2009 - 09:37 PM |
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| actually it is a good chance to invest on those discount apts...worth it |
Or play a rulette in Vegas |
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blondesands
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June 28, 2009 - 09:42 PM |
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[quote="zerg"]actually it is a good chance to invest on those discount apts...worth it[/quote]
  if one fell over, and there are three of them on the same site, then the chances that they were built in the same way are highly likely, are they not?
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Tanna
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June 28, 2009 - 09:47 PM |
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Yes I agree with Blondsands, such a shame for all the people who invested in them. Money and chances for quality living down the drain.
At least it happened now and not with thousands of people already living in them. |
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bigroh73
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June 28, 2009 - 09:49 PM |
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Better City, Better Life! - for the "harmonious" society in China.
This does make me wonder just how many other new and modern apartment complexes being built in the outer suburbs of Shanghai are of similar standard. I doubt that this is the only one that has crap foundations and quality. |
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blondesands
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June 28, 2009 - 10:26 PM |
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^Tanna, yes just as well they were not occupied, that would have been tragic.
^bigroh73, that's the problem! Where and what to buy? |
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btb
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June 28, 2009 - 10:38 PM |
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RussianBear
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June 28, 2009 - 10:45 PM |
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I do not think that Shanghai's property* more expensive then HK($6k/m-$10k/m2) or Moscow ($5k-$6k/m2). Prague is cheap, it is correct.
16000RMB/m2($2350/m2) http://www.wolai.com/go/shanghai/ |
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