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Tigger_LaoWai
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If one was to compare the Chinese to the Japanese in terms of productivity the Japanese being 10 where would the Chinese fare.
Im sure some members have worked in Japan. |
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leefc
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tomahawks
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The Chinese work ethic is a myth. In the mainland anyway. Two people for one job is the norm here and managers don't delegate enough because they don't want everyone to know how ridiculously easy their job is. |
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MoonOverMiami
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July 25, 2009 - 11:33 AM |
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| The Chinese work ethic is a myth. In the mainland anyway. Two people for one job is the norm here and managers don't delegate enough because they don't want everyone to know how ridiculously easy their job is. |
No shit. Last summer our production line was backed up, with late deliveries. Person who delegated the work load is a local.
This year I handled it and shoot...we're well ahead of schedule and we actually have to rest a few days because the material was not coming in fast enough. This only supports my theory that the previous supervisor was deliberately slowing down production last year so that we would outsource to her friends.
Hard to trust the locals around here. |
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jeffinflorida
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July 25, 2009 - 11:36 AM |
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To sum it up:
The Japanese are Gods
The Chinese are slaves.
This will never change. |
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ziccawei
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July 25, 2009 - 12:01 PM |
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Depends how you look at it, Auntie Jeff.
In my opinion the Japanese are slaves to their jobs. These 'SalaryMen' work 14 or 15 hour days. Who's the slave? |
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hawks
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July 25, 2009 - 12:10 PM |
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^^ stupid comment by 'white trash Jeff' from Florida. |
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woaishanghai07
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July 25, 2009 - 12:45 PM |
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Interesting question. I often wonder what the hell people in Chinese companies are thinking. What's the deal with so much unpaid over time? Is it just because it's such a competitive environment here and in order to survive you have to prove you are capable of working more like a robot than anyone else? Or is it because they genuinely have that much work to do? Or is it because they are in capable of getting the work done in their regular office hours due to a) either they are just incompetent or b) their managers have too many work processes that are a plain waste of time?
Either way, I think the Chinese work ethic is seriously flawed, although admittedly given the serious population problem here maybe that's quite a good reason for it to be that way.
I also find it interesting that about 80% of Chinese people I know are desperate to find work in a foreign owned company and not a Chinese one. |
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MoonOverMiami
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July 25, 2009 - 12:52 PM |
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^Its all about the money. We had a delivery container to load scheduled to arrive at 8pm. The supervisor clocked herself and 3 other employees (one of whom was her relative) from 5pm until the container was fully loaded for overtime pay. Could have easily gone home (they live close by), rested and got a decent meal...but they wanted the money. In the 3 hours they were waiting for the container, all were sitting in the office...probably surfing the net or taking a nap.
We deducted the 3 hours after I caught them sitting in their office doing nothing. |
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SindbadMalone
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July 25, 2009 - 12:56 PM |
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The japanese productivity is only high because ppl there don't have a life. |
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woaishanghai07
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johnqh
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July 25, 2009 - 12:58 PM |
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MoonOverMiami,
Chinese have little experience with organizing activities. They spend all their academic life on passing exams, with no real life experience with anything!
Production line management is a learned skill, not a born one. Maybe you can train the Chinese supervisors instead of assuming that they are purposely slowing things down.
jeffinflorida,
I don't know how many Japanese you worked with. But to me, they are the real slaves. They are extremely dedicated to what they must do, with a tunnel vision. Few of them ever think about changing companies to better themselves. Instead, they do their assignments (yes, 14 or 15 hours a day), even if they are not suited for the job.
At least, on software development, I would rather have Chinese guys (even entry level) than Japanese guys. The Chinese guys are eager to learn, and they learn quickly. The Japanese work much harder, but much less effective, because they didn't pick the right career which best fit them.
And yes, that was from my personal experience. I lead a dozen of Japanese developers (all of them had 3 to 5 years of experience) in 97 on a industrial strength project (I won't get into the detail, but everyone's life was impacted by it), and there is only one engineer in the team which I would consider good.
Then, from 2000 to 2003, I managed up to 30 Chinese developers, most of them had only 1 to 2 years of experience. I did a lot of training. Among those 30, I would be glad to work with 15 of them again without any hesitation. |
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phiota
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July 25, 2009 - 03:30 PM |
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The problems in the developed world economically is because Chinese (and developing world) work ethic/productivity is getting better. Right now the entry level wages I think is about 1200 RMB/USD (or more in US) so an American would have to be about 6.8 times as productive as a chinese otherwise the exchange rate would have to change dramatically. |
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carsonblock
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July 25, 2009 - 04:12 PM |
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MoonOverMiami
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July 25, 2009 - 04:24 PM |
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| Production line management is a learned skill, not a born one. Maybe you can train the Chinese supervisors instead of assuming that they are purposely slowing things down. |
Wish I could say it was inexperience, but its not. She's been with the company many years, and to say that she has no experience scheduling production is unacceptable. |
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Neville_Bartos
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July 25, 2009 - 09:24 PM |
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The Japanese have the least amount of sex than anyone. Interesting article from a while back ---> http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/lust-in-translation--a-life-without-s ex/2008/02/01/1201801034260.html
With all the beautiful women roaming Japan, it’s a shame they take them all for granted.
In all seriousness, having worked with both the Japanese and Chinese I would take a Japanese worker any day of the week. Although their customs are at times difficult to understand but which I respect, their education system has at least given them some opportunities to think critically, evaluate situations and make major decisions when faced with a crisis situation in the workplace, sadly the Chinese have been let down by the factual, rote memorisation garbage that is dished up in their local schools and this is not to say the Japanese system is anything to write home about but in comparison to what I see here, it’s a superior setup. |
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leidelaohu
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July 25, 2009 - 09:33 PM |
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| phiota wrote: |
| ... an American would have to be about 6.8 times as productive as a chinese otherwise the exchange rate would have to change dramatically. |
No problem. We're actually a good 30 times more productive but with the costs of health care, retirement funding, pensions, financial 'industry' corruption, the nationwide surcharge to benefit Goldman-Sachs, pollution controls and so on, we are probably down to about ten or fifteen to one. |
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maneo
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July 25, 2009 - 09:49 PM |
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"Good"???
No, not really.
Just another liberal arts type trying to justify liberal arts.
There are some very creative types -- unfortunately they often seem to coming up with all sorts of scams and schemes.
Just very misguided in application. |
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Cambronne
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July 25, 2009 - 09:53 PM |
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MoonOverMiami,
Chinese have little experience with organizing activities. They spend all their academic life on passing exams, with no real life experience with anything!
Production line management is a learned skill, not a born one. Maybe you can train the Chinese supervisors instead of assuming that they are purposely slowing things down.
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Ah ah good one. Including the myth "what we learnt in school is not useful" - which explains a lot in Chinese people inability to learn (I should add, without financial incentive) and is also a common modern Western myth (kids in school nowadays dont learn to think and acquire the necessari historical and scientific background like in the good days, they learn skills supposedly useful for companies).
Totally agree with Moon Over Miami's comments. Its not a worker productivity problem as much as the total greed - my regards to Confucius and Deng Xiaoping - of supervisors (from the lowest lever of supervisor to local company GM). |
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Cambronne
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MoonOverMiami,
Chinese have little experience with organizing activities. They spend all their academic life on passing exams, with no real life experience with anything!
Production line management is a learned skill, not a born one. Maybe you can train the Chinese supervisors instead of assuming that they are purposely slowing things down.
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Ah ah good one. Including the myth "what we learnt in school is not useful" - which explains a lot in Chinese people inability to learn (I should add, without financial incentive) and is also a common modern Western myth (kids in school nowadays dont learn to think and acquire the necessari historical and scientific background like in the good days, they learn skills supposedly useful for companies).
Totally agree with Moon Over Miami's comments. Its not a worker productivity problem as much as the total greed - my regards to Confucius and Deng Xiaoping - of supervisors (from the lowest lever of supervisor to local company GM). |
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Cambronne
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July 25, 2009 - 09:58 PM |
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Two for the price of one, now thats productivity. |
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leidelaohu
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July 25, 2009 - 10:00 PM |
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| Its not a worker productivity problem as much as the total greed - my regards to Confucius and Deng Xiaoping - of supervisors (from the lowest lever of supervisor to local company GM). |
That's the same problem the US has ... along with replacing people in management who understand what they are doing with fuckwit MBA's. And then creating a siituation where the financial 'industries' can rape, pillage, loot and burn the rest of the economy.
Yeah. Greed. |
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phiota
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July 25, 2009 - 11:19 PM |
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jeffinflorida
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July 26, 2009 - 12:49 AM |
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i imagine that this guy and bloomark have many things in common.
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johnqh
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July 26, 2009 - 05:18 AM |
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| MoonOverMiami wrote: |
| johnqh wrote: |
| Production line management is a learned skill, not a born one. Maybe you can train the Chinese supervisors instead of assuming that they are purposely slowing things down. |
Wish I could say it was inexperience, but its not. She's been with the company many years, and to say that she has no experience scheduling production is unacceptable. |
Hmm....who would have taught her?
Would you think she should have figured out by herself?
Maybe the only unacceptable part here is that she was not fired by her boss....but then, who would have taught her boss that it could have been done better? |
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