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frenchlover1999
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Oct 17, 2004 - 01:39 PM |
 
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Most of you people are out of your mind or dont know what you are talking about. Shanghai metro is actually quite good. Yes there is a long distance to transfer between line 1 & 2 (have you ever taken Paris subway?) and yes passengers behavior needs improvement, which is a more general problem. Otherwise infrastructure is top notch and improving fast. Fares are also very cheap. |
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Benoist_Shanghai
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Oct 17, 2004 - 07:33 PM |
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frenchlover, it is quite good. But, does it really make sense to compare Paris subway first built in 1900 and Shanghai subway designed and built during the last 5 years? Maybe there lies the fact that some people would have expected smoother transfer designs.
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Victorian
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Oct 26, 2004 - 07:09 AM |
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It's back to the original question on why Shanghai didn't learn from the rest of the world and to plan and design their metro properly before they start digging holes in the ground. All they have to do is to design and plan it properly and it would have been billions of RMB well spent.
I think they're building metro the way they're building the national railway where interchanges are not that important. For metro, you're talking about moving masses of people over a very short period of time, you're talking about moving 40 to 80 thousand people per line per direction per hour during peak hours. As the network expands, the more people will switch from other modes of transportation ot the metro, if they can't cope now, how could they cope when they put in 12 lines by 2010 and 18 lines by 2020.
With 18 million people, the design of the metro is not going to cope, e.g. 6-cars train, concourse interchange instead of cross-platform interchange, frequency of trains, etc. There're other considerations as well, like public transport interchange at stations, better signage, etc.
If the system is properly planned and design, it could actually change people's minds as to take the metro instead of driving/cabbing or taking the buses. If they provide park-and-ride facilities and public transport interchange at stations, people can park their cars at stations and ride the metro or take short bus/taxi trips to the stations and ride the metro. At the moment, people take long bus trips into the city, it's inefficient in terms of time/energy/environmental and jammed all the very limited roads. |
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serend
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Oct 29, 2004 - 04:05 PM |
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Oh man the whiners and losers...have these English teachers every traveled???
I just came back from Oxford this past August. To say London Subway is not even close to SH's will be a remarkable English understatement. More "character", maybe. But in terms of cleanliness and efficiency, there's not even any comparison.
I went to Tokyo twice over the lasy 3 years. Certainly not as impressive as SH's. My wife studied in Tokyo in the 90s, and she told me that the subway used to be cleaner. So I would give those who prefer Tokyo the benefits of doubt. But still...
So what make expats put down the SH subway like this? What does this prejudice say about us? Food for thoughts.
Benoist: you are right; it's unfair to compare the condition of equipment and interior. But what about safety and orderliness? I had a fight with a pickpocket at Gare de Nord (?) back in the summer of 2002, and nobody, repeat, nobody even bothered to call the police...what kind of management was THAT? What kind of social moral is THAT? You know I am a Francophile, but facts are facts. |
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ipac
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Joined: Nov 14, 2004
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Nov 16, 2004 - 04:39 PM |
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Well, there is some thing we have to face that the metro as a public transportation still rans short of demonds. The Metro Line 1 loads about 600,000 persons a day and there are at least 400,000 persons waiting for the northern extention put into use. Just imagine though the northern extension put into service, 12 minutes a train must be very crowded. I bet you would not get a train in an hour if you keep gentlemanly when it is a rush hour. I think the most important thing is how to keep so many people safe and then how to improve the sevice. I believe the conditions will get better with the increasing quanlity of citizens and more metro line put into service. Of course, if we have only a 7,000,000 population like HK, the metro must be very satisfactory. So we need more time, it is changing day by day. |
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p800asia
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Apr 25, 2005 - 04:15 AM |
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| ipac wrote: |
| Well, there is some thing we have to face that the metro as a public transportation still rans short of demonds. The Metro Line 1 loads about 600,000 persons a day and there are at least 400,000 persons waiting for the northern extention put into use. Just imagine though the northern extension put into service, 12 minutes a train must be very crowded. I bet you would not get a train in an hour if you keep gentlemanly when it is a rush hour. I think the most important thing is how to keep so many people safe and then how to improve the sevice. I believe the conditions will get better with the increasing quanlity of citizens and more metro line put into service. Of course, if we have only a 7,000,000 population like HK, the metro must be very satisfactory. So we need more time, it is changing day by day. |
Hong Kong may have a much smaller population, but their subway daily ridership is 2.3million. The ridership in Shanghai is only 1.3million, according to xinhuanet. I don't understand why a system, being newer and handling fewer people, would end up to be a third class one, esp when so much money has been invested. As there are more lines and more people getting access to the system, I think the situation will only get even worse. |
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Toronto_expat
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Apr 27, 2005 - 05:04 AM |
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| serend wrote: |
| I had a fight with a pickpocket at Gare de Nord (?) back in the summer of 2002, and nobody, repeat, nobody even bothered to call the police...what kind of management was THAT? What kind of social moral is THAT? You know I am a Francophile, but facts are facts. |
Actually "metro crime" is a French film genre. Two most famous ones:
Robert Bresson: Pickpocket (1959);
Melville: Le Samouraï (1967).
Two films about noble criminals.
Use your imagination and empathy if you are robbed in Shanghai' s subway. |
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Caesara
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Apr 27, 2005 - 08:03 AM |
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My goodness! If serend was still here, he'd be all sorts of excited to see another film buff on the boards. Especially a francophile one!
However, if I'm robbed in the subway, I think I'd stick with a cross between annoyance at myself for not being careful enough, and annoyance at the bastard who took my stuff. |
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Toronto_expat
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Apr 28, 2005 - 12:18 PM |
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A film buff has to be a fancophile. After all, the French twice invented the art of cinema. France still remains the process centre for the films from Africa, Asia and Europe.
On the other hand, China actually has one of the most vibrant film cultures in the world. |
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Caesara
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Apr 29, 2005 - 08:08 AM |
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[serend would likely have agreed with both of those points, too. Maybe go search for his excellent film-review thread, if it's still here!]
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blablabla
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gracesisley
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Apr 30, 2005 - 03:37 PM |
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sounds interesting |
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maxiewawa
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June 13, 2005 - 07:35 PM |
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At Longyang rd station, “先下后上，文明乘车“ is translated as "After first, Under On, Do riding with Civility".
I think that says it all. |
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busyexpat
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June 16, 2005 - 03:43 AM |
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i wish the drivers knew how to stop and start a train smoothly...well, at least it's a JUMP-start to my morning, along with a JERK-off in the evening  |
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anti-streber
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June 23, 2005 - 07:37 PM |
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Totally agree with Ic2382.
Give Shanghai and China some time more.
- when people talk of the the tube in shanghai, they complain about the big crowd--too many people in china
- when china takes measures to control the growth of population, people complain about their infringing human rights.
really difficult to be a chinese!!
one fact which no one can ignore is: shanghai is already in a high speed of developing its infrastruture.
in addition, i personally think the underground in Rom is a nightmare, and the underground in paris is only a little bit better than the one in rom. |
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boredengineer
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Mar 09, 2008 - 01:05 AM |
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Bumping this old thread that I found interesting. Anybody who has been here since 2004 that can comment on how you feel the metro has improved or hasn't improved? |
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SnappySammy
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Mar 09, 2008 - 01:28 PM |
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The Shanghai Metro is very nice. The GZ Metro is not that nice, and its more confusing to use. |
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jzzzzzzz
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Mar 10, 2008 - 08:58 AM |
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The new Peoples Square interchange is much improved. It's still a long way from 1 to 2 but with the open concourse and more escalators it's pretty good. 1 and 8 are really close. I like the character of the new line 8 stations too. |
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sanjj
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Mar 11, 2008 - 03:05 AM |
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| The new Peoples Square interchange is much improved. It's still a long way from 1 to 2 but with the open concourse and more escalators it's pretty good. 1 and 8 are really close. I like the character of the new line 8 stations too. |
Did you notice the gap between platform and the car? Someone gonna get tripped or crushed sonner or later.
Overall, SH's subway system is not bad, infrastructure per se. |
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8lrr8
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Mar 11, 2008 - 07:09 AM |
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^ the largest gap isnt at people's square. it's at one of the new stations out in the 'burbs. it's so large it made the evening news. |
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jzzzzzzz
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Mar 14, 2008 - 10:57 AM |
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Is this on line 8? I'll check it next time. |
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8lrr8
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Mar 14, 2008 - 11:36 AM |
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^ dunno. my gf mentioned it in passing after she saw it on the news a few wks ago. |
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jzzzzzzz
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Mar 14, 2008 - 01:43 PM |
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Perhaps they need a London Underground style 'Mind the gap' announcement. |
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yu888
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Mar 14, 2008 - 03:32 PM |
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| szwliew wrote: |
| Bumping this old thread that I found interesting. Anybody who has been here since 2004 that can comment on how you feel the metro has improved or hasn't improved? |
MUCH improved.
More trains
More routes
More stations
Better Stations
Better signage
Better announcements
Better climate control (except line 1)
unfortunately also
More people riding the trains
More riff raff (beggars, card advertisers)
Overall, a much better system then before. Having used lines 1,2,3,4,5 & 8 so far, i am quite impressed.
And yes, the bad Gap seems to be somewhere on Line 8 where they obviously missed a few platforms. |
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samcy
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Mar 14, 2008 - 08:34 PM |
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I think it is great.
Special mention to the exchange whereby the passage ways are wide and bright. At least you feel secure, unlike those in europe or US whereby you do not know who is hiding at the corner ahead.
Clean too. I have not smell any urine yet.
One complaint though. I don't know why they position the ticket counter far from the entrance. Sometime you are at the metro entrance and need to walk 50 metres to get the ticket and walk back to the entrance. |
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