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EvilMonkey

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Posted: Sep 14, 2009 - 10:48 AM
Post subject: UFC 103: Franklin Vs Belfort@REDBEAT

The Ultimate Fighting Championship® presents the fight the entire mixed martial arts world is talking about when “The Phenom”, former UFC® light heavyweight champion Vitor Belfort, makes his long-awaited return to the Octagon™ to face UFC superstar Rich “Ace” Franklin in the main event of UFC 103. Also featured on the biggest MMA event to ever hit Texas will be perhaps the most explosive heavyweight battle of the year when one of the sport’s most feared strikers, Mirko Cro Cop, takes on Brazilian knockout artist Junior Dos Santos.

UFC® 103 FRANKLIN vs BELFORT - Sunday, September 20th, live on Pay-Per-View 10AM@RedBeat

Main Bouts: - Rich Franklin vs. Vitor Belfort
Junior Dos Santos vs. Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic
Mike Swick vs. Martin Kampmann
Josh Koscheck vs. Frank Trigg -
Tyson Griffin vs. Hermes Franca

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Posted: Sep 14, 2009 - 11:28 AM

I think this a great fight card despite lacking any superstar names....Its a card that Hardcore fans will enjoy based on their knowledge of the sport and Casual fans will be surprised by.

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Posted: Sep 14, 2009 - 11:41 AM

Tyson Griffin is always fun to watch.. tough dude.

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Posted: Sep 14, 2009 - 01:44 PM

This is definitely a scrappers kind of card. There should be mostly KO's with this group and not so much on the submission side.

Franklin & Belfort both have fast hands and like to throw them.

Cro Cop is one of the best strikers facing a rising heavey handed KO artist in Dos Santos.

Swick vs Kampmann has the best shot at a submission (Swikitine anyone?)

Koscheck can wrestle & can submit but his last several fights have been more of striking matches, and Trigg likes to throw.

Same for Tyson Griffen Vs Franca.

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Posted: Sep 15, 2009 - 06:09 PM

A few stars on the line-up although they're past their prime. Overall good match-ups.

Any Chance the Redbeat can get the Mayweather vs Marquez fight. This is going to be a pretty huge fight. It's this sunday (saturday in LV) as well.

Also keep in mind the Paquiao Vs Cotto fight. Nov 14th I think. That will be huge.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 08:14 AM

No the Mayweather fight is on at the same time as the UFC. For a Paquiao fight then maybe but there will be 3 UFC events in November so I bet they overlap.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 09:17 AM

Done are the days when boxing came first and its pretty much a losing battle here on out.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 09:33 AM

I know you can not show the fight till 10AM but can you set up the laptop to big screen (w/sound) ahead of time.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 09:50 AM

Beartrap wrote:

Done are the days when boxing came first and its pretty much a losing battle here on out.

agreed, but when top stars in boxing go at it, it should take precedent. Marquez v Mayweather will generate $50M plus. UFC 103 (which doesn't have a single top 20 fighter) will generate $10-20M.

Boxing is getting boring but they do have one superstar. Paquiao, he's the most exciting fighter out there (MMA or boxing).

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 09:50 AM

Beartrap wrote:

Done are the days when boxing came first and its pretty much a losing battle here on out.

Yeah, I am not sure what boxing could possibly do to regain its previous supremacy. I think only once in my life have I paid for a boxing ppv event whereas for MMA its a regular occurrence.

I think boxing would need to unify the 257 different boxing associations that have "world" titles and then have some really dominant fighters...even then I will still be an MMA fan over boxing. MMA is "the sweeter science"...I know..that was cheesy.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 10:12 AM

This card has a TON of potential. I actually think it's a sleeper for one of the best cards of the year. It's getting a little less attention because there aren't any titles on the line, and some new fans might not recognize all the fighters, but this card is packed with potentially great fights.

Rich Franklin v. Vitor Belfot - Two black belts who almost never use their BJJ. This will be a standup war. In case you've forgotten about Vitor, check out his :45 destruction of Wanderlei Silva (fight starts around the 7 minute mark) http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzY5NDMwMTI=.html
Franklin of course had his own battle with Wanderlei. They went toe to toe for three fantastic rounds at UFC 99 in June, coming away with a decision win.

Mirko Cro-Cop v. Junior Dos Santos This has Knockout of the Night written all over it. Cro-Cop has the most deadly head kick in MMA history, and Dos Santos is coming off two straight 1st round KO victories against top level competition. You can see Cro-Cop's brutal KO via head kick against Dos Caras here http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjM0NjUwNA==.html (fight starts at 7min mark) and Dos Santos' flash KO of PRIDE vet Fabricio Werdum here http://v.youku.com/v_playlist/f2569073o1p2.html (starts @1:45)

The rest of the card features solid talent like Martin Kampmann and heavy handed Paul "Semtex" Daley, who is making his UFC debut after a stint at Affliction. Josh Koscheck will be looking to get his title hopes back on track after a stunning upset loss to Paulo Thiago at UFC 95. However he will be facing a rejuvenated Frank Trigg, making his return to the octagon after a 4 year absence and no doubt desperate for a win.

Finally, don't be surprised if the fight between Drew McFedries and Tomasz Drwal gets bumped up to the televised portion of the card. McFedries has scary power and a propensity for lighting-fast knockouts. This is probably going to be a short fight, making it an ideal candidate to be shown later on, in between live fights.

See ya on sunday!

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 10:16 AM

cantcheckemailnopw wrote:

I know you can not show the fight till 10AM but can you set up the laptop to big screen (w/sound) ahead of time.

it's annoying, I know. But the problems tend to stem from our connection with the UFC servers, which is something that can't be properly tested until the live broadcast begins. On the bright side, we're working to make some changes to the overall quality of the stream, and hopefully we will add a couple more TVs around the bar in the near future.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 10:51 AM

wigglesmalibu wrote:

Beartrap wrote:

Done are the days when boxing came first and its pretty much a losing battle here on out.

I see where you're coming from, but I don't think that anticipated revenue is a very good way to choose which fights to watch Very Happy

Affliction had abysmal revenues, but put on two really entertaining cards.

However, we can take a look a the numbers if you like. First, i think your numbers for Mayweather v Marquez are a little optimistic: This is a fight that was delayed (allegedly due to a Mayweather rib injury) for several months. At the time of the injury, there had been growing alarm over slow ticket sales (only 3,000 at the time of the postponement) and right now there doesn't seem to be enough momentum to reach the 900k-1M PPV buy mark. That's about what they would need in order to hit $50M in revenue. Mayweather v Hatton did 850k buys, but I think that was a much more hyped fight than this one.

Now, for UFC @ $45 per buy, $10M revenue would be just over 220K buys, which would put it as one of the worst performances of the last 5 years. I know the card doesn't have a title fight, but there's no way it will perform that poorly. 450K buys would put them over the $20 mark, but would still be a disappointment. I think what we will eventually see are sales in the 500-650k area, or about $29M.

Again, I don't think that this is best way to judge whether or not to watch a fight, but I just wanted to point out that the numbers probably aren't as far apart as you think. In fact, in about a month the sales figures for both events should have been leaked. If Mayweather v Marquez outsells UFC 103, I owe you a beer.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 11:02 AM

wigglesmalibu wrote:

Beartrap wrote:

Done are the days when boxing came first and its pretty much a losing battle here on out.

Sorry to keep nitpicking over your post, but I'm bored. Just wanted to point out that this card actually has 6 Top 20 fighters on it:

Tyson griffin #16 LW
Martin Kampmann #6 WW
Josh Koscheck #7 WW
Vitor Belfort #8 MW
Rich Franklin #8 LHW
Wanderlei Silva #14 LHW
Vladimir Matyushenko (prelim) #19 LHW
Junior Dos Santos #14 HW
Mirko Cro-Cop #15 HW
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/section/rankings

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 11:49 AM

You have missed the point COMPLETELY. ie. there's still MUCH more money in boxing than there is in MMA. Although at current growth rates that will change in due course.

the last ufc generated 435,000 buys with modestly more attractive names on its card. Even if they pull off same buys (435,000 x 45= 19,575,000 + $1,920,000 gate = $21.5M) ...I'm not far off the mark.

there's a lot more drama in the welterweight to lightweight div than there was when hatton and floyd fought ....and the postponement works out well as the fight is on a mexican holiday which is the most popular boxing day there.

There are NO top 20 p4p fighters on ufc 103's card.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 12:00 PM

Yeah MMA will grow and eventually overtake Boxing in revnue and especially in fight purse size but will be awhile still before that happens.

I just care about the quality of the fights and such. The only reason I would care about how much the IBF,WBA, UFC,WEC,Strikeforce etc make is because if they are making good $$ then they can afford bigger and better shows.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 12:08 PM

wigglesmalibu wrote:

I'm not sure where you came up 435k for the last show. UFC 102 numbers aren't out yet, but it certainly did more than that. 101 did 850k and 100 did 1.7M so it wasn't those shows either. Maybe you're thinking of 99 in Germany? That did about 350K, but Euro shows are always a lot lower.
http://mmapayout.com/2009/09/ufc-ppv-revenue-increasing-yoy/

Anyway, I guess I did miss your point completely because it sure seemed to me like you were saying that boxing should take precedence over mma because it makes more money....

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 12:17 PM

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wigglesmalibu wrote:

I stand corrected. It looks like UFC 102 DID do 435K. my bad. http://mmapayout.com/2009/09/ufcwec-absorption-problems/

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 01:00 PM

EvilMonkey wrote:

While MMA has the potential to overtake boxing revs but it has a long way to go. As for purse size, this is one area that probably won't be surpassed simply due to UFC's quasi monopoly. Since they control the majority of top fighters contracts there are few options for top mma fighters to earn their fair market value. Fedor reportedly made about $2-3M a fight (special arrangements not reported) with affliction while Brock only made about $400k at ufc 100. GSP $600k.

When Pacquiao and De La Hoya fought they split about $70 million and for the Pacman v Hatton fight they split something like $40-50M. De La Hoya's total career earnings is something like $300 million (more or less)

Which is why its such a shame affliction failed. A strong counterweight to UFC's dominance is needed for fighters to get paid fairly, which in turn attracts better athletes to the sport and increases the sports popularity.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 01:09 PM

agreed...strikeforce is starting to be a decent alternative aswell.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 01:12 PM

And that's also why I give credit to Fedor for not signing with the UFC. Once you sign with them they OWN the rest of your career. When you negotiate with the UFC you are bound to confidentiality regarding the terms, then they spread rumors inflating the terms offered.

I give credit for Dana's business acumen, ability to grow the sport over the last 10-20 years and maintain his monopoly but he's no longer good for the sport. MMA can grow much quicker with a strong counterweight and hopefully Fedor's presence in Strikeforce with foster this.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 01:14 PM

wigglesmalibu wrote:

EvilMonkey wrote:

Very true. Purses are one area where boxing is still light years ahead of MMA. Everyone knows that UFC pays out more than they disclose to their fighters because several of their big names also get a % of the PPV sales. Even still, no MMA fighter has ever come remotely close to earning De La Hoya or Pacquiao money.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 01:17 PM

Aren't there more major UFC PPV's per year than major Boxing PPV's? Wouldn't the annual revenues from UFC PPV's match, if not exceed, the annual revenues from major boxing PPV's?

I qualified it to PPV's and major shows because I'm not sure how the revenue works for stuff like HBO/Showtime and stuff, not to mention smaller shows.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 02:13 PM

If we're only talking PPV sales, MMA is actually more lucrative. Here’s a list of the top ten Pay Per View events for 2008:

1. Boxing: Oscar De La Hoya vs. Manny Pacquiao, Dec. 6, 1,250,000
2. UFC: Brock Lesnar vs. Randy Couture, Nov. 15, 1,010,000
3. Wrestling: WrestleMania, Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Paul “Big Show” Wight, March 30, 670,000
4. UFC: Georges St. Pierre vs. Jon Fitch/Lesnar vs. Heath Herring, Aug. 9, 625,000
5. UFC: Lesnar vs. Frank Mir, Feb. 2, 600,000
6. UFC: Quinton Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin, July 5, 540,000
7. UFC: St. Pierre vs. Matt Serra, April 19, 530,000
8. Boxing: Felix Trinidad vs. Roy Jones Jr., Jan. 19, 500,000
9. UFC: Chuck Liddell vs. Rashad Evans, Sept. 6, 480,000
10. UFC: B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk/Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida, May 24, 475,000
http://promma.info/index.php/2008/12/13/2008-pay-per-view-champion-bro ck-lesnar/

In 2009 UFC is up 60% yoy from 2008 http://mmapayout.com/2009/09/ufc-ppv-revenue-increasing-yoy/ But I think the overall revenue pool for boxing remains larger, because all of the side marketing deals, endorsements and the like are more lucrative in boxing and will remain so for a while.