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ratty
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Oct 08, 2009 - 07:57 PM |
 
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Looking at schooling options in Shanghai for my 8 year old. Came across Concordia International school. Looks very good until you get to the price....177,000 RMB for one year. $26,000/year for grade school? Holy Jesus!!! Tack on transport and fees and its close to 30 grand per year.
Who pays this kind of money? WHO?
Looks like homeschooling for my kids. This is so far out it is beyond insane. |
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janlynn
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Oct 08, 2009 - 08:08 PM |
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Many people have their companies pay for it! |
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ratty
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Oct 08, 2009 - 08:11 PM |
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| Many people have their companies pay for it! |
Yeah, I guessed that. I still think it is absolutely insane to pay university level prices for grade school. |
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Shangstar
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Oct 08, 2009 - 08:11 PM |
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Christ, you'd be better off sending them to a different country. It'd probably be cheaper to send them full-board to Winchester or Eton. At least their fees include full board and they'd be hob nobbing with royalty. |
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ratty
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Oct 08, 2009 - 08:17 PM |
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| Christ, you'd be better off sending them to a different country. It'd probably be cheaper to send them full-board to Winchester or Eton. At least their fees include full board and they'd be hob nobbing with royalty. |
Hilarious!!! |
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iara
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Oct 08, 2009 - 09:06 PM |
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My son goes to Concordia, of course, company pays it!
Is it woth 26kus$ per year???? No way ANY school here will be good enough for all these money!
Like every international school here, has it ups and downs, good and bad teachers, but campus is quite nice, at least!
Have you checked SMIC school? I think its much cheaper and I heardt good things about it. |
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root
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Oct 08, 2009 - 09:09 PM |
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All because foreign parents thinking what international schools better then locals. But who tested all these English teachers ??? |
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alixiw
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Oct 08, 2009 - 09:09 PM |
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I can't imagine anyone paying those prices on their own...MNC pay the bills. |
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Scouse
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Oct 08, 2009 - 09:14 PM |
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International schools here are a joke price wise, although have been told the French and German school is in a more affordable price range.. |
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monalisalee
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Oct 08, 2009 - 10:00 PM |
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Why not check out local schooling? There are SO many, and lots are bi-lingual, and heaps cheaper.
Your 8 year old can learn Mandarin as well. |
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trousers
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Oct 08, 2009 - 10:18 PM |
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Because many companies pay school fees, the market reflects that. Schools have an unwritten price fixing policy. It is ludicrous, but for them it's great. The salaries for staff are in no way reflective of this - schools here make literally millions of pounds profit each year.
Non-profit making? Not a chance. It sounds good though doesn't it? So where does the profit go in these schools? Really? |
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jasonnoguchi
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Oct 08, 2009 - 10:23 PM |
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Andreas
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Oct 08, 2009 - 10:42 PM |
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Nothing. It's a total rip off, like anything else here. |
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StMichael
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Oct 08, 2009 - 10:53 PM |
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Willing buyer, willing seller. If nobody is willing to pay such fees, there would not be such fees in the first place. The fact that people are still paying will mean the fees will remain astronomical. |
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oopsiedaisie
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Oct 08, 2009 - 11:42 PM |
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The fees for international schooling most ANYWHERE in the world is high - in HK, in Singapore, in Japan, in Korea. The teachers in international schools - at least those in Concordia, SAS, SCIS are QUALIFIED, TRAINED and certified teachers. These schools are ACCREDITED schools.
These techers are NOT just ENGLISH teachers and as to WHO TESTED THEM??? - They are educational professionals not just blue-eyed, blondies English teachers that have been discussed to death in a few other threads.
I have 2 sons and 4 nephews at Concordia - they are happy there and we as parents are relieved we found something that is about as close in quality to education at home and I have very few issues with the quality of education and instruction in Canadian public schools.International schools in Shanghai, HK, Singapore, Japan (places we have lived in) are not public schools which means they are NOT SUBSIDISED by the government. One poster mentioned that the French and German schools are more affordable - TRUE - BUT - they are partially funded by the 2 governments. For as long as your child is a holder of a French or German passport, you have the right to be there - they cannot turn you away - a child's right to compulsory education.Same goes for Korean and Japanese School - they are subsidised by the Japanese and Korean government - tax payers money!! Not Concordia, not sure about SAS, definitely not SCIS, not even SSIS - am I correct St. Michael??
The teachers in these schools are paid quite well - relative to what they'd make at home.And they are good teachers.The programs/curriculum implemented in thse schools - for instance IB or IGCSE comes at a hefty price in terms of teacher training, workshops, professional development. I have yet to be able to find a local Chinese school that can match Concordia and I have tried - we have 7 children to send to school so of course we have to try to cut on cost as much as we can.
To OP - you're right, it is insanely high, but we are not at home where tax payers money subsidises the cost of education. No one here to do that for us unfortunately. |
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Zak101
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monalisalee
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Oct 09, 2009 - 12:33 AM |
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Ha Ha. A rich bitch with 7 kids, O.K. 2 sons, & 4 nephews, and one missing.
Honestly, if you want the education to be the same as at "home", shouldn't you be there?
It is NOT the same, so get used to it.
If you want cozy western education you have to pay, as it is imported. |
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leidelaohu
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Oct 09, 2009 - 12:43 AM |
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Why not check out local schooling? There are SO many, and lots are bi-lingual, and heaps cheaper.
Your 8 year old can learn Mandarin as well. |
Do you know much about the Chinese teaching methods, Moaning ? If you did, you might not be so eager to tout the local schools. Some people claim that the early years are the most important, as well. |
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oopsiedaisie
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Oct 09, 2009 - 12:47 AM |
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monalisalee:Whao!! Whatever is your problem??? Sounds like it's time for YOU to go home!!! We have the right to provide for our children whatever we think is appropriate. Please take your bitterness back wherever you come from! One nephew is still at home - not time for school yet, but we are continuing to work hard so he too can go to school in 2 years. We should be able to feel "at home" wherever we are, what is your problem really? Seek help, please -"rich bitch"? Aiyo!! I feel really sorry for you. How did you get so bitter? |
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monalisalee
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Oct 09, 2009 - 01:54 AM |
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@Lying down low: I am not touting local teaching methods, just suggesting an alternative. Open up your mind.
@ oopsie: Yikes! I am not bitter, very happy actually, but have obviously struck a nerve, which tells us something about you.
Methinks you have the problem.
I agree you have the right to your families education.
But just pointing out it is VERY different in China, so you need to adjust.
No big deal. |
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leidelaohu
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Oct 09, 2009 - 02:12 AM |
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| @Lying down low: I am not touting local teaching methods, just suggesting an alternative. Open up your mind.. |
Here's another suggestion - send them to Phillip Garrido. How's that for another alternative ? Open up your mind ... |
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mmhm
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Oct 09, 2009 - 04:08 AM |
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to OP: Welcome to the world of private school education. Yes, that is what it costs. If you look at good private schools at home, it wouldn't be so far off what we pay in Shanghai. Dalton in NYC is $34,000 - dayschool only! And, of course, any Shanghai school has the added costs of shipping, home leaves, etc.
In fact, it is very easy to pay Harvard prices for grade school. If you want a heart burn, look at the prices for a top quality US boarding school. Tuition at Deerfield is currently $41,900 -and that's light because they have a large endowment.
Welcome. |
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hautumncloud
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Oct 09, 2009 - 05:38 AM |
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^^ true, some private schools at home is the price of the international schools in Shanghai. Here is an example of an IB private school in Toronto:-
http://www.branksome.on.ca/admissions/tuitionandfees/
However, I would say that there is certainly a world of difference between the international schools in Shanghai and the elite private schools at home. The int schools in Shanghai is at best the standard of a public school at home, in my opinion and the best medium to maintain education normalcy for expat students who need to continue their education while their parents are temporary posted here.
Its a supply & demand thing and int schools are a big money making business - that is why British Schools are opening like crazy all over the world lately - they are owned by Nord Anglia, a public listed company! They do care for your children's education and well being but profit comes first! |
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trousers
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Oct 09, 2009 - 07:01 AM |
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[quote="monalisalee"]Ha Ha. A rich bitch
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[quote="monalisalee"] I am not bitter. |
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kpmautner
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Oct 09, 2009 - 07:21 AM |
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I'm wondering how much longer those insane school rates will hold up. Fewer and fewer companies are offering full expat packages, and if the company doesn't pay, well, most people don't make enough money to pay that much by themselves.
Yes, the teachers are paid at Western levels and have home leave and all, but the support staff is paid at local levels, so the total cost to run a school is cheaper than in the West. HK, Singapore, etc have much higher support costs.
But I have heard that the local international schools are less profitable than you think. I have been told that to run a school here needs government approval. And I have heard that to get the annual government approval generally requires some, shall we say, "gifts" to the appropriate officials. |
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