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Ah Beng

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Posted: Oct 18, 2009 - 07:45 PM

At university we conducted a simple experiment.
We took 20 live worms and divided them into two groups of 10.
We then placed one group into a glass of pure drinking water and one group into a glass of water through which we filtered the smoke from a packet of Marlboro.
The worms in the drinking water lived for 7 days, but the worms in the smokey water died an agonising death in less than 30 minutes, proving that if you smoke, you won't get worms...

Ah Beng

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Posted: Oct 18, 2009 - 08:01 PM

leidelaohu wrote:

Have you figured it out yet ? When you smoke in public places you are pissing on someone else's leg. That's what it is, dork, when you blow your fithy shit into the air we all have to breathe.

If you want to be anal about it, don't begin by harpping at us. You should lift up your hind legs on anything and every thing that contribute to major air pollution 1st...

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Posted: Oct 18, 2009 - 10:16 PM

LadyofLeisure wrote:

I kinda feel sorry for smokers because they are weak humans... They can't stop if they wanted to. In Asia there is no restrictions to the amount of nicotine they put in those death sticks. You have the cards stacked against you my friends....

I'm sure all of you are starting a "special" retirement fund which will pay for the extra lung you will need later in life.

I really, really feel sorry for you weak people. Crying or Very sad

Reality is for people that can't handle heroin. Which group is weaker?

braincracking

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Posted: Oct 18, 2009 - 11:59 PM

LadyofLeisure wrote:

Live and let live. Do I come here and bitch about you leg pissers. Do I tell you that you are weak because you 'piss leg' and can't stop doing it.

A little mutual respect goes a long way, I endorse non-smoking zones in restaurants, I understand why. But for the love of god, if I am lighting a fag in a corner away from everything else that lives I do not need to hear these age old (plain wrong) arguments about smoking by the smoking police. The smoking police (those hardcore anti smoking tards) can all go to hell as far as I am concerned, not to upset those people, but we will all die one day, with or without smoke, in our case hopefully without alzheimer Wink

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 12:45 AM

braincracking wrote:

A little mutual respect goes a long way

Absolutely correct ! And to date I have not pissed on anyone's leg in any restaurant.

But when I am sitting at some little table, elbow-to-elbow with a crowd of thousands, how much "respect" is the jerk two feet away displaying by pulling out his stinking piece of shit and blowing his noxious fumes all over my food ? Face it : smoke stinks. It stinks bad. This is not a case of non-smokers not respecting the poor little put-upon smokers. It's the other way around. And the people who say "I'm a respectful smoker, I stop immediately if anyone asks." Sure. And I should be able to take a dump on his plate or piss on his leg, no problem. I'll stop immediately if they ask.

You shouldn't need to ask people not to stink up your air or piss on your leg or shit in your food, ya know ? Somebody wants to smoke in the corner by the plant, have at it. But don't ruin my food, okay ?

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 01:02 AM

I enjoy eating food.
I am allowed to eat food at public place but not allowed to discharge once consumed ( sh**t ) in public place.

So smoker you are free smoke in public place as long as you don't discharge it in public place.

Keep the smoke inside the body as its not harmful and release it in private place.

Unless smoking is more important than eating food.

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GingerRipper

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 02:43 AM

I wish I'd never started smoking, of course I do, but I do actually enjoy sitting down, having a beer and cigarette. Governments all over the world seems happy to take taxes from tobacco sales, but not let anyone smoke anywhere. While I can understand the health concerns surrounding passive smoking, its a relief to be in a country that doens't treat you as a second class citizen if you smoke. And lets face it, smoking may take years off your life, but they're the one's at the end. And, non-smokers die everyday too.

A smoking ban was introduced in Beijing back in May 2008. I can report (as an eye-witness) that this was an unmitigated failure. First a blanket ban, then a change to enforce non-smoking sections in bars restaurants, then total ignorance and the whole idea was dropped by the time August came round.

Personally, I expect that the upmarket bars and restaurants around Xintiandi and other hotspots will have to comply, but others will be fine.

Right. I'm off for a smoke.

Ah Beng

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 04:33 AM

I like the cool and heft of it, dull metal on the palm,
And the click, the hiss, the spark fuming into flame,
Boldface of fire, the rage and sway of it, raw blue at the base
And a slope of gold, a touch to the packed tobacco, the tip
Turned red as a warning light, blown brighter by the breath,
The pull and the pump of it, and the paper's white
Smoothed now to ash as the smoke draws back, drawn down
To the black crust of lungs, tar and poisons in the pink,
And the blood sorting it out, veins tight and the heart slow,
The push and wheeze of it, a sweep of plumes in the air
Like a shako of horses dragging a hearse through the late centennium,
London, at the end of December, in the dark and fog.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 04:46 AM

“If alcohol is queen, then tobacco is her consort. It's a fond companion for all occasions, a loyal friend through fair weather and foul. People smoke to celebrate a happy moment, or to hide a bitter regret. Whether you're alone or with friends, it's a joy for all the senses. What lovelier sight is there than that double row of white cigarettes, lined up like soldiers on parade and wrapped in silver paper? I love to touch the pack in my pocket, open it, savor the feel of the cigarette between my fingers, the paper on my lips, the taste of tobacco on my tongue. I love to watch the flame spurt up, love to watch it come closer and closer, filling me with its warmth.”
Luis Buñuel

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 06:07 AM

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jay_dee

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 09:21 AM

The odor also depends on the brand of smokes.
Some Chinese cigarettes are so overpowering that even I (as a smoker) have been choked.
But then again, I find most perfumes irritating especially if people drench themselves as a coverup to not being hygienic.
Locals and foreigners who reek of body odor, don't wash/change their clothing or bathe with soap and water regularly are truely more offensive than cigarette smoke.
The stench of raw sewage and rotting garbage is everywhere in China.
However, there's nothing like being next to people who have not wiped their asses (no toilet paper handy) for a month to kill ones appetite.

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ProcrastiNation

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 10:07 AM

I can't believe some people actually believe smoking is not harmful to your health. I've done Occupational Health & Safety studies at university at can say first hand that the constituents of cigarette smoke are carcinogenic and detrimental to one's heath. Below is a study explaining exactly how.

http://www.ndp.govt.nz/moh.nsf/pagescm/1003/$File/chemicalconstituents cigarettespriorities.pdf

Personally I really don't care if people want to smoke, knock yourselves out, just don't smoke around me. Smoking is a choice, not a right. However it is my right not to have someone else's habit/belief forced upon me.

That said I do think it will fail in China, at least in the short term. At least 90% of Chinese gov official smoke, so I wouldn't expect to see major support for this for some time yet.

jay_dee

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 01:59 PM

I believe it will fail as well.
The Government own the tobacco farms, factories and entire distribution network.
It's a bad habit, just like drinking. That being said...
Personally I really don't care if people want to drink alcohol, knock yourselves out, just don't drink around me. Drinking is a choice, not a right. However it is my right not to have someone else's habit/belief forced upon me.
Most officials are also boozers, even while on duty.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 02:34 PM

However it is my right not have someone else habit forced upon me in public places.

Drinking alcohol and chewing tobacco harm the person who consumes it. sitting next to that person doesn't force me to consume alcohol or tobacco.
While smoking in closed places forces me to inhale the smoke in the air.

So I have no problem with smokers as long as they keep the smoke inside their lungs instead of giving out in public.

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ProcrastiNation

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 02:55 PM

Stop with the alcohol v smoking argument because it's ridiculous and just further goes to show how weak the smokers argument for smoking in public places really is.

Drinking alcohol itself doesn't inherently impact upon people in the immediate vicinity. If I'm sitting at a bar having a beer I don't make the person next to me drink as well. If someone can't handle alcohol and acts like a complete arse when they drink it, it is a question of self control. Smoking DOES impact upon people in the immediate vicinity no matter how nice the smoker is.

Ah Beng

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 04:17 PM

ProcrastiNation wrote:

Stop with the alcohol v smoking argument because it's ridiculous and just further goes to show how weak the smokers argument for smoking in public places really is.

No, it's not. Firstly, there are smoking & non-smoking zones. Secondly, there are considerate and inconsiderate smokers. What you hardcore pissers are doing is tossing everything together and claiming right of air-space when you are in a smoking zone or met with an inconsiderate smoker. You guys are mess up.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 04:57 PM

^ Haha, sounds like cigarettes aren't the only thing you've been smoking. Again your argument is illogical and ill-thought.

If a person is in a bar "a drinking zone" does that person have to drink alcohol whether they want to or not? The answer is no, so it's definitely not the same thing and the argument is ridiculous.

If I want to play music at the highest volume at 2am in the morning, is it then fascist of my neighbours to be pissed off and demand that I turn the music down or request that I use headphones? No, because my choice would be impacting upon them.

It's the same as the people who walk around blearing out music on their phones. Why should everyone within a 20m radius be subjected to their crap music just because they like it?

The argument is not about taking away peoples choice to smoke. It's about protecting the rights of the people who do not want and should not have to breath cigarette smoke.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 05:35 PM

ProcrastiNation wrote:

The argument is not about taking away peoples choice to smoke. It's about protecting the rights of the people who do not want and should not have to breath cigarette smoke.

Why don't we protect the rights that all pesdestrains should not need to deal with the reckless driving behavious here? Would you cross the road without looking?

If it's that simple, we wouldn't need to have this arguement at all in the first place.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 05:53 PM

^Again not a relevant argument. Reckless driving is a question of enforcement.

It might not seem like it in China but there are laws in place to protect pedestrians. The argument is that laws should also be created to protect non-smokers. Whether they are enforced or not is another question.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 07:25 PM

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 07:36 PM

For hundreds of years people have gathered at their local watering hole, pub, bar, saloon or whatever name is common to their country.
They discussed politics, business, local news, weather, etc.
Many drank whiskey, beer or other forms of alcohol - some abstained.
They also smoked pipes, cigars and cigarettes - some abstained.
Everyone got along fine, but did not know the risks of either vice.
So now it's a crime to smoke, strangers at bars and restaurants (in smoking sections or even outdoors) come over and harass me.
Gee, my smoking now causes global warming, give it a rest already.
Kiss my arse with your opinions, I try to be considerate - but you're never sated.
I hope you saints get run over by a drunk driver, who happens NOT to smoke.

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braincracking

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Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 08:22 PM

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I hope you saints get run over by a drunk driver, who happens NOT to smoke.

Or by a smoking driver who doesn't drink, you always hope for some irony when it comes to the smoking police. Anyway, we're in China, if you don't like it, there is always the option of going back to whatever anti smoking nazi regime you came from.

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Posted: Oct 20, 2009 - 05:33 AM

ProcrastiNation wrote:

So you support bans on Coca-Cola, non-organic milk, computers, and the apartment you live in too? Almost everything 'is' carcinogenic, especially since cancer occurs all by itself. Your in depth studies can explain why a non smoking blue collar worker has twice the chance of getting lung cancer as a smoking white collar worker?

"We fed a 50 gram mouse 17,000 kilograms of fat and alcohol and one cigarette. The mouse died. Cigarettes kill!!!"

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Posted: Oct 20, 2009 - 05:39 AM

ProcrastiNation wrote:

Alcohol DOES impact people in the immediate vicinity and ever worse, impacts people miles away from the bar. This person who loses control due to drinking shoots you at the bar because he's mad at his boss, or he runs you over in a crosswalk 4 miles away from the bar because he or she is driving drunk? Oh, that's not the alcohol's fault you say, so let's give everyone a gun because guns don't kill, people do. Rolling Eyes