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still_here
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Oct 23, 2009 - 10:05 PM |
 
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Despite following this thread i had refrained from posting. However, the last two comments, yikes!
You know what? Maybe our time is coming to an end, i don't know. But what i do know is that it won't happen in any of our lifetimes. But when we do go, and your future generations find out they are still dying of lung cancer and realize that even if smoking did contribute to it, it was negligible compared to a hundred other factors, they won't have the gall to stand up against the totalitarian forces called government/ media et al. You know why? Because they are the offsprings of cowards like you who haven't the brains or the guts to challenge or question what they are being fed.
Smokers of the world unite, i say! Lets live up while we are dying. Puff on! And the non-smokers, as a brother said before, go suck on the tail pipes of your cars! RIP all. |
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monalisalee
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Oct 23, 2009 - 11:04 PM |
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Another smoker who is still alive. Good on ya mate! |
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Ah Beng
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Oct 24, 2009 - 03:00 AM |
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Dear Non-smokers and public urinators,
For your own health sake, please remain indoors for your own safety. Besides having to deal with zillions of inconsiderate smokers who won't bloody care for your well being, be also mindful of the pervasive air pollution. Sensitive non-smokers who freaked out and urinate in public at the slightest wiff of smoke should invest in a good quality air mask and sleep in an oxygen chamber. Your crusade against smoking is an uphill battle, as you can see this place is termed a smoke nation. Your kind is a minorty here, hence you'll be descrimated and deprive of your smoke free rights, like it or not, smoking is a way of life and its culture deeply rooted in China. |
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2shanghai
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Oct 24, 2009 - 09:33 AM |
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| Ah Beng wrote: |
Dear Non-smokers and public urinators,
For your own health sake, please remain indoors for your own safety. Besides having to deal with zillions of inconsiderate smokers who won't bloody care for your well being, be also mindful of the pervasive air pollution. Sensitive non-smokers who freaked out and urinate in public at the slightest wiff of smoke should invest in a good quality air mask and sleep in an oxygen chamber. Your crusade against smoking is an uphill battle, as you can see this place is termed a smoke nation. Your kind is a minorty here, hence you'll be descrimated and deprive of your smoke free rights, like it or not, smoking is a way of life and its culture deeply rooted in China. |
Even Ireland is smoke-free in pubs now.
China changes more quickly than other places and I've noticed more Chinese asserting themselves about smokers in non-smoking areas - it will come. I would say within 2 years (so end of Nov 2011). |
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leidelaohu
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Oct 24, 2009 - 10:54 AM |
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| You know what? Maybe our time is coming to an end, i don't know. But what i do know is that it won't happen in any of our lifetimes. But when we do go, and your future generations find out they are still dying of lung cancer and realize that even if smoking did contribute to it, it was negligible compared to a hundred other factors, they won't have the gall to stand up against the totalitarian forces called government/ media et al. You know why? Because they are the offsprings of cowards like you who haven't the brains or the guts to challenge or question what they are being fed.. |
You've got to be shitting me. Check your calendar, Rip. This is 2009, not 1957. Smoking causes cancer. If you want to smoke (outside  ) that's up to you but all this pseudo-scientific bullpuppy is ridiculous. |
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Neville_Bartos
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Oct 24, 2009 - 11:21 AM |
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Despite following this thread i had refrained from posting. However, the last two comments, yikes!
You know what? Maybe our time is coming to an end, i don't know. But what i do know is that it won't happen in any of our lifetimes. But when we do go, and your future generations find out they are still dying of lung cancer and realize that even if smoking did contribute to it, it was negligible compared to a hundred other factors, they won't have the gall to stand up against the totalitarian forces called government/ media et al. You know why? Because they are the offsprings of cowards like you who haven't the brains or the guts to challenge or question what they are being fed.
Smokers of the world unite, i say! Lets live up while we are dying. Puff on! And the non-smokers, as a brother said before, go suck on the tail pipes of your cars! RIP all. |
Must be tough to know you haven't got any willpower to give up when deep down inside you, you know just how harmful they are.
I also don't own car and haven't for many years (as i'm sure many non-smokers would also have to say) but don't let that get in the way of a good argument.  |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Oct 24, 2009 - 12:23 PM |
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Ok champ, here you go. Reports from the surgeon general's office dating back to 1964 warning of the effects that smoking has on health.
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/reports/
Quote from the 1964 report
"Cigarette smoking is associated with a 70 per cent increase in the age-specific death rates of males, and to a lesser extent with increased death rates of females. The total number of excess deaths casually related to cigarette smoking in the U.S. population cannot be accurately estimated. In view of the continuing and mounting evidence from many sources, it is the judgment if the Committee that cigarette smoking contributes substantially to mortality from certain specific diseases and to the overall death rate."
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You are on the right track, keep digging.
An example for the non-diggers:
Why 70% "increase" should worry you:
1954 - 10 people out of 1 million studied die.
1964 - 17 people out of 1 million studied die.
wow, that's a 70% increase.
This is why all you researchers need to understand basic statistics and key phrases in studies and media articles.
What everyone's brain sees is '70% = 1 million people smoke, 700,000 people die'.
The same 1964 report also says: "1, APPROXIMATELY 30 PERCENT OF ALL CANCER DEATHS ARE ATTRIBUTABLE TO CIGARETTE SMOKING" (IN THE USA)
1. key word: "attributable" - You will see if you dig deeper into the actual reports and data, not just summaries which are written with subjective words and phrases that are used to generate funding rather than spell out precise conclusions that 'attributable' means: 10 beers a day, 10 hamburgers a day, 1 cigarette a day = death = a death attributed to smoking. This is not an exaggeration.
2. 30% per the US surgeon general. Only 13% globally though with 60% of those coming from developing areas; this suggests the US rate should be 6% (of all cancers, smokers and non-smokers BTW). The surgeon general is telling you that you have a 5 times higher chance of dying from cancer only because you live in the USA, regardless of if you smoke. Think about it. What would your shock and awe response be via the media to US citizens if YOU were the government of an asbestos, lead paint, car, toxic landfill society.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC149364/pdf/1471-2407-2-37. pdf/?tool=pmcentrez |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Oct 24, 2009 - 01:02 PM |
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As you dig into cancer or death statistics more, keep data like this available too:
http://tobaccodocuments.org/lor/80409639-9803.html
(1978 to 1980)
51% of waitresses (not waiters) smoke (total USA % = ~28%)
41% of cashiers
20 to 25% for bank tellers and elementary school teachers (double that of waitresses)
Additionally you already know that a high % of waitresses and cashiers work in smoking bars and restaurants = second hand smoke.
So, when you read the media reports (not actual data repors) about second hand smoke 'deaths', waitresses are often used as example, look for some correlation with the scare tactic, psuedo-statistics and this data. It's a joke. |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Oct 24, 2009 - 01:37 PM |
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still_here
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Oct 24, 2009 - 06:19 PM |
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| You've got to be shitting me. Check your calendar, Rip. This is 2009, not 1957. Smoking causes cancer. If you want to smoke (outside ) that's up to you but all this pseudo-scientific bullpuppy is ridiculous. |
Never said it does or doesn't! The discussion here has been about effect of second hand smoke on non-smokers. If somebody wants to smoke and doesn't give a toss about its ill effects on him/her self, nobody else has the right to tell him/her otherwise. Or we could use the same arguement for alcohol, noise (some call it rock music ), cosmetics - hey they harm you. Don't use them.
If smoking kills me slowly, so be it. I am suicidal but not in a hurry. And i **** you not! |
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still_here
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Oct 24, 2009 - 06:29 PM |
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| Neville_Bartos wrote: |
| Must be tough to know you haven't got any willpower to give up when deep down inside you, you know just how harmful they are. |
See the last line of my response above.
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| I also don't own car and haven't for many years (as i'm sure many non-smokers would also have to say) but don't let that get in the way of a good argument. |
Jeez! That was just an example using an activity taken for granted by the whole world (using cars, buses etc.) which causes more harm than caused by second hand smoke.
But hold me to it. Don't let rational thinking get in the way of a good arguement |
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Ah Beng
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Oct 25, 2009 - 06:50 PM |
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Non-smokers non-smoking section. Smokers smoking section. Easy does it..
No need to fight, no need to argue. |
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leidelaohu
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Oct 25, 2009 - 08:38 PM |
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Non-smokers non-smoking section. Smokers smoking section. Easy does it..
No need to fight, no need to argue. |
Cool ! We'll be building a smoking area for Shanghai soon. A 12 meter by 12 meter raft in the middle of the huangpu  |
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still_here
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Oct 25, 2009 - 08:54 PM |
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/\ building raft in the middle of huangpu!? Need a consultant? Sign me up.
One less smoker for you guys and i am damn gonna make it better than the city! |
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leidelaohu
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Oct 25, 2009 - 08:56 PM |
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| /\ building raft in the middle of huangpu!? |
That would be kind of fun, wouldn't it ? Great place for the New Shed |
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still_here
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Oct 25, 2009 - 09:00 PM |
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Why did you think i signed up? But no sheds  open air smoking for all.
After all its ours! |
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leidelaohu
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Oct 25, 2009 - 09:05 PM |
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| But no sheds open air smoking for all. |
What if it rains ? You need a roof thatched with palm leaves supported by four posts at the corners. Tiki raft and bar. Not bad. |
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still_here
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Oct 25, 2009 - 09:15 PM |
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you are welcome to join |
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Ah Beng
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Oct 25, 2009 - 09:30 PM |
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| Ah Beng wrote: |
Non-smokers non-smoking section. Smokers smoking section. Easy does it..
No need to fight, no need to argue. |
Cool ! We'll be building a smoking area for Shanghai soon. A 12 meter by 12 meter raft in the middle of the huangpu |
Thanks for being considerate, in return the non-smokers can have the moon, 100% smoke free. |
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Ah Beng
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Oct 25, 2009 - 09:43 PM |
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Smokers,
With immediate effect, please note smoking is not allowed on moon, in addition to existing non-smoking zones on earth.
By Order,
World Smokers Association. |
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Ah Beng
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Ah Beng
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Oct 28, 2009 - 02:36 AM |
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Guess non-smokers are finally coming to their senses afterall.. |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Oct 28, 2009 - 06:04 AM |
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^nope, this one guy, his elbow brushed against a pack of cigarettes at the Quickie-Mart, and he just exploded. It happens. |
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KalanStar
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Oct 28, 2009 - 12:02 PM |
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Is this topic still going... wow.
I'd just like to say that it is my belief, whether I quit smoking or not, that smoking has been used as a fall guy to cover-up the true causes of the health problems we have.
I was reading a 1970's highschool science book awhile back, and on the issue of asthma rates, lung cancer, and other so-called smoking related ailments, it attributed the rise to automobiles, industrial pollution, and the use of tar based black top paving (it gives off poison gas continuously). Seeing as how industrialization, paved streets and the automobile = modern living, another culprit had to be found, ie. tobacco. How could our governments own up to the fact that "progress" was the reason people get cancer and still remain in power??? So they brainwashed their populations to harp on smoking instead of addressing the real issues.
BTW: According to any reputable source on the causes of Lung Cancer, Benzine (aka: petrol, or gas) is at the top of the list, but the brainwashed herds of the western world have never seemed to notice that.
Intrestingly enough, tobacco and cigarettes are two totaly different things. Tobacco as it is taken from the feilds and dried has only about 500 chemicals, whereas ciggarettes have 2000+. Where did all these extra 1500 chemicals come from and why are they there? Well most of them have been added to reduce the smell of smoke, the color of smoke, and the irritation of smoke. All things that non-smokers have been complaining about for eons!
(Since the 60's tobacco companies have been recycleing the dust in their factory floors and manufacturing paper from it. This is how most of the chems get into your cigg. It looks like tobacco, but the burn rate is much higher. Thus, the faster your smoke burns, the less tobbacco leaf is present. So buy high quality smokes! Also, the leaves are bathed in chemicals for 3 years before they are made into ciggs. So it would seem that industrialization is not only to blame for our health problems, but also to be blamed for the problems directly attributable to smoking. The Native N. Americans who introduced smoking to the world didn't have the problems we smokers have today!)
(Side note: Coffee also has about 500 chemicals, 13 of which have been tested resulting in the discovery that 11 of them are deadly! But I have yet to see a poster/notice stateing the dangerous chemical constituents of coffee! Why is that????)
PS: I used to have contracts at Marlboro factories, so I know the process of manufacture first hand. |
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Ah Beng
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Oct 30, 2009 - 03:22 AM |
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Swiss cigs offers the best quality, chinese made marlboro pales in comparison. Top that, marlboros are often sold out and lacking in supplies, quite frustrating.. |
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