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Sam1974
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Oct 11, 2009 - 05:42 PM |
 
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coming from the US, in NY it is recommended not to eat sushi on Sunday's because the fish is not fresh.
anything like that here? or maybe the fish is not fresh every day of the week here...
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Mister_happy
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Oct 11, 2009 - 05:59 PM |
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Well for one thing its a lie about Sushi been FRESH. It has been frozen at below -60C and can be stored for several months! It would be agaist the law in many countries to serve 'un-processed' fish as a meal. The freezing at below -60C kills any worms and bugs that may be in the fish that would love to live in your body!
THE FISH IS CAUGHT, CUT AND THEN FROZEN IN 72HRS, its not fresh as we know it when it is served to you.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/08/nyregion/sushi-fresh-from-the-deep-t he-deep-freeze.html |
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Shangstar
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Oct 11, 2009 - 06:26 PM |
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Personally, i dont eat sushi anywhere except for my fave Japanese restaurant here. |
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shalamazoo
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Oct 11, 2009 - 06:43 PM |
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which fave Japanese restaurant would that be?? |
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8lrr8
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jasonnoguchi
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Oct 11, 2009 - 07:14 PM |
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Shangstar
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Oct 11, 2009 - 07:15 PM |
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Ajikura in the French Concession. They have a bottle of sake there with my name on it. Ordered a massive bottle by mistake there last year. They've been keeping the same one for me ever since. Same service staff, friendly, packed with Japanese people, and the upstairs private rooms with recessed floors, low tables, low cushioned seats and dimmed lighting, with wooden sliding doors to your private chamber are simply sublime. Pricey though.....
Filling meal for two with drinks likely to be 300-400 RMB. Actually, that's pretty cheap in my book for Japanese food in a real Japanese restaurant. |
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8lrr8
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Oct 11, 2009 - 10:19 PM |
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^ that's about half the cost of tian jia. i should chk it out 1 of these days. thx! |
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zillahh
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Oct 11, 2009 - 10:32 PM |
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| jasonnoguchi wrote: |
| Seriously, I had REAL FRESH sushi in Kyoto some years back. They take in the fish in the morning and completely sells it by lunch time with only ramen left for dinner. |
hehe, best sushi is costal anywhere Nippon . . . lunch time chefs special.
The cook will pick it out of a half dozen different buckets...its so fresh you can hear them screem.. |
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zillahh
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Oct 11, 2009 - 10:47 PM |
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| Mister_happy wrote: |
Well for one thing its a lie about Sushi been FRESH. It has been frozen at below -60C and can be stored for several months! It would be agaist the law in many countries to serve 'un-processed' fish as a meal. The freezing at below -60C kills any worms and bugs that may be in the fish that would love to live in your body!
THE FISH IS CAUGHT, CUT AND THEN FROZEN IN 72HRS, its not fresh as we know it when it is served to you.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/08/nyregion/sushi-fresh-from-the-deep-t he-deep-freeze.html |
You are correct. Before the fishing boat freezes the catch they chamber them in Carbon Monoxide too . . . keeps the flesh, fresh ...looking. |
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Andreas
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Oct 11, 2009 - 10:59 PM |
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Sushi in China, like any other fresh food is always a gamble. Most of it is ok, most of the time. But every now and then you end up with a major case of the runs. But that counts for any restaurant here. Hygiene is not on the top of their list. |
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Sam1974
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Oct 14, 2009 - 11:16 AM |
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| Mister_happy wrote: |
Well for one thing its a lie about Sushi been FRESH. It has been frozen at below -60C and can be stored for several months! It would be agaist the law in many countries to serve 'un-processed' fish as a meal. The freezing at below -60C kills any worms and bugs that may be in the fish that would love to live in your body!
THE FISH IS CAUGHT, CUT AND THEN FROZEN IN 72HRS, its not fresh as we know it when it is served to you.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/08/nyregion/sushi-fresh-from-the-deep-t he-deep-freeze.html |
I think that is the case with Tuna and other deep water fish where the boats go off for months at a time to fish.
Most of the other fish is fished local and very fresh.
In Tokyo I had sushi in the fish market at 5AM and except for the Tuna everything was super fresh. It was so good I couldn't have sushi anywhere else for months... |
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Shangstar
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Oct 14, 2009 - 11:25 AM |
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i'm not a great sushi fan, but i should add that the decent sushi dishes at Ajikura are indeed expensive. You're looking at perhaps 300-400 RMB for a decent sized platter. |
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jasonnoguchi
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chingiskhan
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Oct 28, 2009 - 03:45 PM |
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| IMHO, I won't call sushi anywhere outside Japan, "Sushi". Its like you can never find real french cuisine outside France. |
Yeah, and you can't find Chinese food outside of China. |
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fWerrF
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Oct 28, 2009 - 04:46 PM |
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Sam, I am from NY too, and I love sushi/sashimi.
IMHO, certain cities in Asia, for example Shanghai, Hong Kong are better places to eat Japanese food, than NY.
As someone said, nothing is really fresh unless it's local catch. Tokyo to NY its 14 hrs and Tokyo to Shanghai is 2.5 hrs, if you go to a nice Japanese restaurant in Shanghai, stuff will be "fresher" than you get in NY. Of course if you go to a shack where they don't properly store the food, then it can get iffy.
Price is quite a bit cheaper here too. I particularly like items such as sweet shrimp, amaebi, botan ebi, toro and etc, the price is roughly only 1/4 of what you would pay in a NY places lets say Nobu 57 or Bond st. |
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BenJ
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Oct 28, 2009 - 05:40 PM |
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| As someone said, nothing is really fresh unless it's local catch. Tokyo to NY its 14 hrs and Tokyo to Shanghai is 2.5 hrs, if you go to a nice Japanese restaurant in Shanghai, stuff will be "fresher" than you get in NY. Of course if you go to a shack where they don't properly store the food, then it can get iffy. |
I'm not sure fishes in every Japanese restaurants throughout the world always come from Japan, neither they take planes (14 hours between Tokyo and NYC ? what a fast boat !) to go there. |
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RayGra
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Oct 28, 2009 - 09:03 PM |
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| It would be agaist the law in many countries to serve 'un-processed' fish as a meal. |
Mr. Happy is correct. With only a few exceptions (e.g. Tuna such as Maguro and Tonna) fish for Sushi and Sashimi has to be shock frozen to kill the germs. Otherwise nobody would be too happy with catching lots of Hepatitis A. This also applies to restaurants in Japan. |
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fWerrF
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Oct 29, 2009 - 11:23 PM |
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I'm not sure fishes in every Japanese restaurants throughout the world always come from Japan, neither they take planes (14 hours between Tokyo and NYC ? what a fast boat !) to go there. |
Not sure what kinda Japanese restaurants you dine at, every place I know, the fishes (if its from Japan) are always flown from Japan.
All the highend NYC places have its' own buyer in Japan to hand-select and fly fishes in 5-6 days per week. The rest of places buy from importers in NY who fly fishes in.
I have never heard of fishes being transported by boat from Japan to destinations especially NY, you were joking right? |
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Ah Beng
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Oct 30, 2009 - 03:07 AM |
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Whatever you do, never eat sashimi or sushi from a place that caters to the locals. How can you tell? Peek inside the place if there's any japanese around. If its filled with locals, forget it. You ain't getting the real deal. It's called fake sushi, like knock-offs rolex. Never fresh, never authentic. It's usually cheap. But who kidding, good quality sashimi served by a japanese sashimi is worth every salt and penny. So my advice, go to a decent japanese restauran, the menu is usually in japanese. But who cares...food's great. |
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fWerrF
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Oct 30, 2009 - 06:38 AM |
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| Whatever you do, never eat sashimi or sushi from a place that caters to the locals. How can you tell? Peek inside the place if there's any japanese around. If its filled with locals, forget it. You ain't getting the real deal. It's called fake sushi, like knock-offs rolex. Never fresh, never authentic. It's usually cheap. But who kidding, good quality sashimi served by a japanese sashimi is worth every salt and penny. So my advice, go to a decent japanese restauran, the menu is usually in japanese. But who cares...food's great. |
are you only referring to shanghai?
cuz this rule definitely doesn't apply in elsewhere.
even in shanghai, thats not really true either.
the few places i went to, that are catered for everyone but not cheap, had very good food and fresh fishes. i don't think any japanese were eating there.
the better way to judge, if you must, is by price. an expensive place usually caters to local elites and expats, their stuff usually are good. the cheap rotating sushi bars in the mall, on the other hand, is for a quick bite if you are not picky. |
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aznrurounikj
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Oct 30, 2009 - 02:02 PM |
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| Ah Beng wrote: |
| Whatever you do, never eat sashimi or sushi from a place that caters to the locals. How can you tell? Peek inside the place if there's any japanese around. If its filled with locals, forget it. You ain't getting the real deal. It's called fake sushi, like knock-offs rolex. Never fresh, never authentic. It's usually cheap. But who kidding, good quality sashimi served by a japanese sashimi is worth every salt and penny. So my advice, go to a decent japanese restauran, the menu is usually in japanese. But who cares...food's great. |
Never would've thought of that creative name myself. |
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Swiss-James
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Wow sushi really brings out the annoying food snob in a lot of people huh? |
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crivens200
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| They have a bottle of sake there with my name on it. Ordered a massive bottle by mistake there last year. They've been keeping the same one for me ever since. |
That's one slow drinker! |
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Ah Beng
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Oct 30, 2009 - 04:35 PM |
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are you only referring to shanghai?
cuz this rule definitely doesn't apply in elsewhere.
even in shanghai, thats not really true either.
the few places i went to, that are catered for everyone but not cheap, had very good food and fresh fishes. i don't think any japanese were eating there.
the better way to judge, if you must, is by price. an expensive place usually caters to local elites and expats, their stuff usually are good. the cheap rotating sushi bars in the mall, on the other hand, is for a quick bite if you are not picky. |
Yes, it applies everywhere. If you don't see any japenese businesssman entertianing there, chances it's not authentic. Well, it might appear costly, taste fine, good presentation and all that, but that's just marketing gimmick if you don't know any better.
If you don't see a japanese sushi chef, then likely it's just a fake sushi that basically lacks the spiritual factor that transends beyond the physical realm of the cuisine. |
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