| « Eco Design Fair comments and Exhibitor List | Weekend Update newsletter » |
Guide to Getting your Z-Visa / Work & Residence Permit
Given the recent upheaval and turmoil in the whole visa process, many folks are considering getting more legal. For those who have the option of getting sponsored as an employee by a local company and such, OR those who will now get hired by small to mid-sized companies as expats, you may find yourselves in the predicament of having to walk through the entire Work Visa process yourself. Having joined a local start-up as a consultant, and then as an employee, I had the distinct “pleasure” of going through the process this past year and now seems a good time to share what I know and put together a step by step manual. Please be advised that everything is subject to change here so contact the relevant authorities to confirm. This will be a guideline of sorts, and based on the newest info I have as of April 2008, it seems to still be accurate.
The general application process for getting “legal”, to work and live in China as a working employee in Shanghai is a multi-step process that involves various governmental organizations. Bureaucracy at its finest. The following is a basic step-by-step narrative of what one needs to do to get a proper Work Permit and Residence permit. This starts with the company getting approval to hire you, the foreigner, and then getting all info together to get you your Z visa to then come back and finish the process to get you your work permit and residence permit. ☺ This article assumes your employer is NOT one that is capitalized over 3 million USD OR that you are NOT being hired as a GM or Vice GM.
Follow up:
1) Work License
Officially, it is the Company that wants to hire you that applies to the government to allow them to hire a foreigner. This application is submitted with the Shanghai Labor Social Security Bureau. You can call 12333 to confirm location and more info, as the old location was 865 Zhong Shan S Rd on the First Floor, but I believe this process is now handled at the new Labour Bureau’s Foreigner Service Office at 258 WuSong Rd., 2nd floor. (ph 63099595)
When applying, you will need to provide the following documents:
1. Your resume or C.V. in Chinese and English - (add company seal)
2. A copy of your Passport
3. A copy of the company business license (should have company seal )
4. A copy of the organization code certificate (should have company seal)
4**. A copy of the permit for foreign investment enterprise (if your company is a WOFE)
5. Qualification Documents like your Diploma or other Professional Certification or Reference letters from your former company
The application must be filled out TWICE as they need TWO copies. Make sure to check before you go submit the forms as it MAY require a company seal. This application process takes 5 days (Cost was 10 rmb I think) the Work License is a laminated green 2-sided certificate with basic info about you and the company hiring you.
2) Invitation Letter for application for Z visa
Your hiring company cannot invite you legally without the authority of the government. Thus the company needs to apply to the Foreign Economic Relation & Trade Commission Office (N0.55 Lou Shan Guan Rd. 11th floor ph- 62752200-265) to ask them to issue an invitation notice that will get recognized by the China Ambassy or Consulate in your home country to issue you a Z Visa to return and complete your employment formalities. When applying for the Invitation letter, the following documents will be needed:
1. Work license (Original and copy)
2. A copy of your Passport
3. A copy of the company business license (should have company-seal )
Process takes 3 days (Cost was 20rmb) the invitation letter is just an A-4 paper form with relevant stamps on it. DO NOT LOSE THIS!
** Please note that companies incorporated in the Pudong New District do NOT go to the Foreign Relation office and instead go to the Pudong District Services office at #2 HeHuan Rd in Pudong where on the first floor there is a counter that handles these applications. Same required documents apply. (more info call: 68542222-88106 58788388-64105)
3) LEAVE TO HOME COUNTRY to go apply for Z visa
After you have the invitation in hand, you need to exit China and then apply for a Z-visa in your home country at your respective China Consulate or Embassy. In the past, the Hong Kong Visa Authority office was an acceptable destination for processing Z-visas, but given the recent turmoil, some applicants have been rejected or turned away so your best bet will be to go to your home country for best results. You will need to bring:
1. Your Passport
2. A copy of the Invitation letter
3. The original invitation letter
4. 2 Passport Photos
And of course you must complete a Visa Application. Visa costs vary as these costs are reciprocal with your home country. US fees are highest at $130 at time of this writing. The Z-Visa is just a standard Visa insert into your Passport.
4) Medical exam- can be done prior to leaving or after return but best to do before for sake of timeliness (Med Clinic in Hong Qiao )
The Examination Clinic is located at 15 Jin Bang Rd near Hami Rd. It is a very professional and efficient facility.
Call 021-62688851 or 62683088 to make an appointment first. They will schedule appt. Then bring the following:
1. Your Passport
2. A copy of your Passport
3. A copy of the company business license (should have company seal )
4. 3 Passport Photos
They will have you complete a form there before the examination, then they will take a digital photo of you and enter in the info you supplied. The examination itself is about 12 different stations ranging from x-rays, blood draws, to ultrasounds and standard Blood Pressure checks. This examination process takes about an hour.
The final report and Health Certification is available in 4 work days. Bring 702rmb + 40 if you want the report delivered via courier. The Health Certificate is just a stamped certification paper on standard A-4 paper so DO NOT LOSE IT!
5) Temporary Residence Registration
Upon your return to Shanghai, MAKE SURE you go get a new Temporary Residence Registration Form “Pink Slip “ within 24 hours if at all possible (local PSB) Late registration MAY result in fines up to 500 rmb.
6) Apply for Work Permit
With your Z visa Entry and Health check out of the way, you have 30 days to complete the rest of the process. Despite the “000” listed on your validity on the Z-visa, if you do not complete the process in 30 days, the PSB WILL fine you up to 500rmb PER DAY that you exceed that period so time is of the essence. The next step is to actually get permission to work here in China. The Work Permit is what you are applying for next. To do this, we again need to go to the Labor Dept at 258 WuSong Rd. , 2nd Floor. This time, the required documents are:
1. Passport with valid Z visa
2. 2 copies of the Work Permit Application including required Company Seal
3. Work license
4. A copy of your Health Certificate
5. A copy of your labor contract (this contract only needs to be a simple form listing title (must match original Work License application, and term of employment)
6. A copy of the company business license
7. A copy of the organization code certificate
7**. A copy of the permit for foreign investment enterprise (if your company is a WOFE)
8. 3 Passport photos
Fee: RMB 10
It takes about 3 working days to get your Alien Work Permit, a little red booklet with your photo and employer information inside.
7) Apply for Residence Permit
Once the Work Permit is in hand, you must then go to the PSB’s Entry Exit Bureau at 1500 Min Sheng Rd. in Pudong, to apply for a Residence permit. Bring the following information to apply:
1. A Completed Visa Application form WITH COMPANY SEAL
1. Your Work Permit
2. Your Health Certificate
3. Your Pink Temporary residence registration
4. A copy of the business license (** this is where they MAY ask for the ORIGINAL Document)
5. A copy of the organization code certificate
5**. A copy of the permit for foreign investment enterprise (if your company is a WOFE)
6. Employment registration form
7. Passport
8. 1 Passport photos
The residence permit costs RMB 400 for 1 year or less, and 800 for more than 1 year. It will take 5 working days to get the Residence Visa. You can ask the service counter behind the restrooms area near the waiting room to courier your application, which will save you a trip out. Cost is usually around 30rmb.
*ADDED* please note- the PSB MAY ask you to present a letter of introduction introducing you as an incoming employee asking the PSB to please help you complete the application process. Signed and stamped by company. Not everyone gets asked for this. But it MAY get asked for so best to ask for one just in case.
I hope this information is helpful. Most large companies will probably hire someone to do this process or even handle it in-house. BUT, smaller and local companies who will more and more, be hiring expats, will likely be handling this on their own so even if you do not need to do this all yourself like I did, you can at least use this as a reference.
Good luck.
Appendix:
Here is the summary of what you will need along the way- consolidated:
1 copy of resume with translation, both chopped by company,
5 copies (chopped) of the company's Biz License (and one instance you will need to show ACTUAL document)
3 copies of the company's Org Code Certificate
5 copies of your passport
7 Passport Pics
1 copy of your diploma with translation (and chopped by company)
2 copies of Work License after you get it
both instances you will need to show or submit the original
2 copies of the Health Certificate you get from the med exam
1 copy of Z visa
1 copy of labor contract
1copy of work permit
1 an updated Registration Form Of Temporary Residence(Pink Slip)
Appendix 2
List of needed documents for applying for Residence for family:
1. Your Passport and copy of your Residence Permit
2. A copy of your Marriage Certificate
3. A copy of your child(ren)'s Birth Certificate listing you as a parent
4. Your family members' passport(s) with valid visa(s)
5. An Updated Registration Form Of Temporary Residence(Pink Slip)
6. A Health Certificate for adult member
7. 2 Passport-sized photographs for each member
8. A copy of the company Business License
9. A copy of the company Organization Code Certificate
10. ** Just added ** A Letter of Application on Company letterhead confirming the employee and his/her position in the company, relation to the family applicants, and request to allow additional Residence permits to be issued for family members.
These documents with a STAMPED application (for each member of family) for Residence permit(s) are to be submitted to the Entry Exit Bureau at 1500 Min SHeng Rd (Pudong)
©2008 edward yu (yu888)
(photos courtesy of various Flickr users)
Trackback address for this post
Trackback URL (right click and copy shortcut/link location)
131 comments
Comment from: ozan [Visitor] 
wow you really have given a great sample i have to say great job but i think this all canbe done for 500 rmb via small agency lol !!
04/25/08 @ 20:35
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
While I don't know about the quote you posted ( as the quotes I have received from reliable and reputable visa agencies when researching my article currently stand around 1200rmb + the government fees of course ), I certainly know that even if some visa services will perform most of these steps for you, its usually good to know what you are paying to avoid doing yourself. ;)
04/27/08 @ 15:37
Comment from: Al [Visitor]
Great great article Mister Yu.
On behalf of all of us who may be about to do this, thanks very much. You have been very generous with you time, knowledge and experience.
On behalf of all of us who may be about to do this, thanks very much. You have been very generous with you time, knowledge and experience.
04/29/08 @ 12:35
Comment from: bob jones [Visitor]
Given the current changing climate of z-visas and the influx of foreign teachers over the summer games, this is an excellent guide that I hope you keep updated as I'll certainly be refering to it.
Thanks
Thanks
05/03/08 @ 13:24
Comment from: mbl [Visitor]
Any idea whether or not HK has opened back up to processing Z visas for Americans? I dread making the 14-hour flight back only to be potentially rejected stateside for not having the 'correct' documents in hand. Appreciate your feedback and all your hard work putting this information together.
05/04/08 @ 22:10
Comment from: Cass [Visitor]
What I really miss here is the information how one gets the Z-spouse-visa in ones home country.
We tried to apply for our Z-Visa this week at a Chinese embassy in Europe.
Well, we thought that we finally had all the necessary documents but the embassy told us that my wife can't get a Z-visa cause her name wasn't listed on the invitation of the Foreign Economic Relation & Trade Commission Office.
Our contact in Shanghai now told us that my wife can ONLY get the invitation (and therefore the temporary Z Visa) when I already have the residence permit etc.
We are really wondering if this information is correct?! I'mean do families have to "split" now to be allowed to come to China?
We tried to apply for our Z-Visa this week at a Chinese embassy in Europe.
Well, we thought that we finally had all the necessary documents but the embassy told us that my wife can't get a Z-visa cause her name wasn't listed on the invitation of the Foreign Economic Relation & Trade Commission Office.
Our contact in Shanghai now told us that my wife can ONLY get the invitation (and therefore the temporary Z Visa) when I already have the residence permit etc.
We are really wondering if this information is correct?! I'mean do families have to "split" now to be allowed to come to China?
05/05/08 @ 04:37
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
As a reply to Cass, in regards to the spousal visa. The information you received from the consulate is indeed correct. Given today's visa climate, it seems unless the employer can arrange to get work licenses for both spouses, which requires all of the first step to be fullfilled in my above guide, the Foreign Economic Relation & Trade Commission Office doesn't seem to keen on issuing invitations for someone not listed on a work permit these days.
A Z-visa is typically a 30 day validity visa used to allow newly employed foreigners to enter China for the sole purpose of getting their Work Permit and then the visa is converted to a Residence Permit (also attached to the passport like a visa). the Residence Permit then acts as a multi-entry visa during the validity period of the Residence Permit.
These days, most spouses come on a basic L visa and then after the working spouse converts their Z- visa to a Work Permit and Residence Permit, the non-working spouse can go to the bureau of Entry and Exit to apply for a residence permit as well. SO technically, your wife skips the Z-visa and goes straight to the Residence Permit.
A Z-visa is typically a 30 day validity visa used to allow newly employed foreigners to enter China for the sole purpose of getting their Work Permit and then the visa is converted to a Residence Permit (also attached to the passport like a visa). the Residence Permit then acts as a multi-entry visa during the validity period of the Residence Permit.
These days, most spouses come on a basic L visa and then after the working spouse converts their Z- visa to a Work Permit and Residence Permit, the non-working spouse can go to the bureau of Entry and Exit to apply for a residence permit as well. SO technically, your wife skips the Z-visa and goes straight to the Residence Permit.
05/05/08 @ 22:52
Comment from: miniya [Visitor]
I think it's worth mentioning that when you get your "pink slip" from your local police station, you need to make sure it is either current (i.e. you have not moved to another police district) or if it isn't current, that at least they did not fill in the date you left in the blank so designated on the slip. I was staying in a hotel and brought my pink slip from there, but didn't notice that they filled in the date I had planned on checking out. By the time I got to applying for my Residence Permit, I had moved somewhere else, my pink slip was no longer valid, and they threw my whole application back in my face--not fun. Hope this prevents this happening to someone else.
05/08/08 @ 20:25
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Good point, thanks. I forgot that many people do not realise that people here need to update their Registration Form Of Temporary Residence(Pink Slip)anytime they move or leave the country. In fact this would be a good point to remind everyone to always have a valid copy with you as it is required by law here to have in addition to your passport.
05/09/08 @ 01:48
Comment from: ali [Visitor]
I need China Visa invitation letter only 30
days if any company/person will arrange it,
kindly reply me.
travelalipk@yahoo.com
days if any company/person will arrange it,
kindly reply me.
travelalipk@yahoo.com
05/22/08 @ 15:54
Comment from: Rosi [Visitor]
Wow, thanks for summarising all that.
This is what I call red-tape!!!
Cheers
This is what I call red-tape!!!
Cheers
05/25/08 @ 02:30
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
http://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/tbjblog/2008/05/23/p12535?blog=10&p=12535&posts=10&c=1&page=1&more=1&tb=1&pb=1&disp=single
Here is an article/blog entry that does a good job of summarizing some of teh current Visa Issues over at The Beijinger.com
Here is an article/blog entry that does a good job of summarizing some of teh current Visa Issues over at The Beijinger.com
05/27/08 @ 10:47
Comment from: eewyn [Visitor]
Hey just wondering, i read on a site that if the company that you work for has paid up capital under 3mil usd, you have to leave the country for the z visa. what if the company has more than 3mil usd paid up capital? thanks
05/29/08 @ 20:50
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
For an applicant working for a company with over 3 milliong USD in capitalisation, you MAY be allowed to apply for your work permits directly without leaving the country. This, however, is dependant on the prospective employee's nationality as some nationalities are required to exit regardless. For companies over 3 Million USD, usually the HR departments are somewhat more qualified to handle these situations.
06/02/08 @ 14:41
Comment from: KKim [Visitor]
So once everyone has a resident visa, does that mean everyone can legally work in China or does the trailing spouse need to go through the work visa process as well?
06/03/08 @ 22:25
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
A residence permit ONLY allows one to reside here legally. To work legally, one must get an alien employment permit. Much of teh process would need to be repeated though it is unclear to me whether one would need to exit to come back on a Z visa or not. Best bet would be to ask the Entry Exit Office or the folks at the Labour Bureau.
06/04/08 @ 10:53
Comment from: Kim [Visitor]
I have what should be a common question, but after searching the internet for several hours, it seems it has never been asked before now!
The question is this: if I already have a residence permit as a spouse and I want to work in our second year in China, can I add a work permit to my resedence visa or do I need to go through the entire process all over again? I did find a site that seemed to suggest a work permit could be added to a residence visa without a lot of drama, but my new employer seems to want me to start from scratch with this. Anyway, I am trying to avoid the nightmare of going through the entire process again, when I just did the whole thing eight months ago!
Any adivise? My health certificate is eight months old, apparently this is the big hold up, even though I have a two year resident permit and have been in China this whole time.
The question is this: if I already have a residence permit as a spouse and I want to work in our second year in China, can I add a work permit to my resedence visa or do I need to go through the entire process all over again? I did find a site that seemed to suggest a work permit could be added to a residence visa without a lot of drama, but my new employer seems to want me to start from scratch with this. Anyway, I am trying to avoid the nightmare of going through the entire process again, when I just did the whole thing eight months ago!
Any adivise? My health certificate is eight months old, apparently this is the big hold up, even though I have a two year resident permit and have been in China this whole time.
06/04/08 @ 14:41
Comment from: Saar [Visitor]
I heard yesterday that it is still possible to get a Z visa in Hong Kong... Does anybody know more about this?
06/04/08 @ 14:45
Comment from: Lee [Visitor]
hi mr. yu. i'm located in beijing and my employer (also in beijing) is in the process of getting the docs ready for my z-visa application. they know where to go for the employment license but not sure if it is also the foreign economic relation and trade commission office that they should approach for the invitation letter. do you know if this is standardized accross the country i.e. labor bureau for employment license and trade commission for invitation letter? it's the first time they are hiring a foreigner so they are not too sure of the process. thanks in advance.
06/05/08 @ 14:21
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Kim- given today's visa climate, you probably will need to go through many of the steps though I would guess you MAY get to skip the leaving the country part, Check with your local Labor Bureau to be certain.
Saar- Z visas are indeed being issued in Hong Kong TO SELECT INDIVIDUALS that already have invitations designating HONG KONG as the place to process the visa OR for those with Hong Kong Residency OR it now seems UK and Commonwealth countries MAY also be getting through there as well. If you are a UK/Commonwealth passport holder, you MAY be able to get issued an invitation designating Hong Kong as your point of processing. Otherwise, only safe bet is your home country.
Lee- it may not be standard as even in Shanghai for certain districts, the district gov issues invitations on companies registered within its jurisdiction, so you really need to have your HR folks as the Labor board folks as they usually know.
Saar- Z visas are indeed being issued in Hong Kong TO SELECT INDIVIDUALS that already have invitations designating HONG KONG as the place to process the visa OR for those with Hong Kong Residency OR it now seems UK and Commonwealth countries MAY also be getting through there as well. If you are a UK/Commonwealth passport holder, you MAY be able to get issued an invitation designating Hong Kong as your point of processing. Otherwise, only safe bet is your home country.
Lee- it may not be standard as even in Shanghai for certain districts, the district gov issues invitations on companies registered within its jurisdiction, so you really need to have your HR folks as the Labor board folks as they usually know.
06/05/08 @ 23:06
Comment from: ann [Visitor]
Mr Yu, I'm from Malaysian and going to join a company at Dongguan. My friend told me to apply L (tourist) Visa and then my company can apply working permit directly at China once I reach there. Can it be done? Or I have to apply Z visa and go through above steps in order to work at China? Does that link with 3M paid up capital?
06/07/08 @ 08:17
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
ann- if the company has working cap of 3M +, the info you received may be true. Ask the HR department and make sure they send to you in writing. Info from them is likely to be more accurate than "a friend", unless this friend works for the Entry Exit Bureau ;)
If it is NOT a 3M+ company, its best to get all your paperwork together before you go, otherwise you may need to go back to Malaysia for Z visa anyhow. A friend of mine recently had to run back to Malaysia to handle his Z visa so I know they are getting processed there.
If it is NOT a 3M+ company, its best to get all your paperwork together before you go, otherwise you may need to go back to Malaysia for Z visa anyhow. A friend of mine recently had to run back to Malaysia to handle his Z visa so I know they are getting processed there.
06/09/08 @ 04:02
Comment from: Barrel [Visitor]
Hi Mr.Yu,
First of all thanks for the summary.
As you seem to have a wealth of knowledge on the topic please could you offer some advice regarding the following.
I am currently on a Z visa but the work permit part has been cancelled as I am changing employer. So I am living here legally on the residence permit part.
My new employer is currently processing my new Z visa. They have the representative certificate and are at the stage of getting the work permit.
However they want me to start work before the process is complete.....but they are insisting it is legal to begin work as the application is registered with the relevant authorities and is "under process". They say they have checked and double checked with the authorities, but to me it just doesn't seem right.
What is your opinion?
Thanks.
First of all thanks for the summary.
As you seem to have a wealth of knowledge on the topic please could you offer some advice regarding the following.
I am currently on a Z visa but the work permit part has been cancelled as I am changing employer. So I am living here legally on the residence permit part.
My new employer is currently processing my new Z visa. They have the representative certificate and are at the stage of getting the work permit.
However they want me to start work before the process is complete.....but they are insisting it is legal to begin work as the application is registered with the relevant authorities and is "under process". They say they have checked and double checked with the authorities, but to me it just doesn't seem right.
What is your opinion?
Thanks.
06/10/08 @ 13:03
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Barrel, in a perfect world, I'd say wait until everything is legal, but you know what? if they haven't paid you yet, then you are not actually employed so...
If you are comfortable with the employer, and are involved in the process enough to KNOW that indeed its being taken care of, then the risk seems minimal.
Nonetheless, you are right, technically its not legal yet. And so no, I would not advise anyone to blatantly go out and break the law knowingly like that.
If you are comfortable with the employer, and are involved in the process enough to KNOW that indeed its being taken care of, then the risk seems minimal.
Nonetheless, you are right, technically its not legal yet. And so no, I would not advise anyone to blatantly go out and break the law knowingly like that.
06/11/08 @ 17:54
Comment from: mickie g [Visitor]
Thanks for all your info, Mr.Yu. You certainly know your stuff. I can't believe anyone has really gone through all these steps! Can China really expect to get decent English teachers in the future with all this red tape! Unbelievable, but if anyone could shoot themselves in the foot, well...
06/12/08 @ 01:20
Comment from: Gibbs [Visitor]
Hi, Can someone please confirm:
1) Is it still possible to convert “L” Visa to “Z” in Hong Kong?
* Passport is USA
* ALL required “Z” documents have been acquired
Trying to avoid, trip back to USA.
Any recommendations of visa companies in HK that can assist?
Thanks for the help! Gibbs
1) Is it still possible to convert “L” Visa to “Z” in Hong Kong?
* Passport is USA
* ALL required “Z” documents have been acquired
Trying to avoid, trip back to USA.
Any recommendations of visa companies in HK that can assist?
Thanks for the help! Gibbs
06/14/08 @ 12:06
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Gibbs- You are not converting from L to Z, you are just getting a new Z. As for processing in HK, what does your invitation say? The first line should indicate where you are to process your Z visa at. If it designates "Hong Kong Visa Authority", then you MIGHT be good to go as some US passport holders HAVE successfully gotten their Z visa's completed in HK in the past month BUT most are being asked to go back to the US. Unfortunately, there is no way of knowing unless you go with your documentation down to HK to try, assuming all documentation is in place and it indicates HK as point of processing. If it doesn't work out, you will need to go to the US.
06/15/08 @ 09:12
Comment from: Gibbs [Visitor]
Hi Mr. Yu, Thanks for the reply!
To clarify the invitation is being processed and will be picked up on Tuesday. "Work License" is in hand.
I just confirmed that when the online registration (hiring company is based in Pudong) was filled in "USA" was the location selected for processing.
1) So "USA" not "Hong Kong Visa Authority" will be process location correct?
2) If yes, is it possible to change to "Hong Kong"? (without risk of the invitation letter being rejected)
2) If yes, and the invitation then states "Hong Kong Visa Authority" and Z visa application is refused in Hong Kong will a new invitation letter have to be issued for "USA"?
Or 3) I can use the "Hong Kong Visa Authority" invitation letter in Los Angeles Chinese Consulate?
Obviously, "Hong Kong" should have been selected but it was not.
Thanks again for any information! Truly is appreciated!
Regards,
Gibbs
To clarify the invitation is being processed and will be picked up on Tuesday. "Work License" is in hand.
I just confirmed that when the online registration (hiring company is based in Pudong) was filled in "USA" was the location selected for processing.
1) So "USA" not "Hong Kong Visa Authority" will be process location correct?
2) If yes, is it possible to change to "Hong Kong"? (without risk of the invitation letter being rejected)
2) If yes, and the invitation then states "Hong Kong Visa Authority" and Z visa application is refused in Hong Kong will a new invitation letter have to be issued for "USA"?
Or 3) I can use the "Hong Kong Visa Authority" invitation letter in Los Angeles Chinese Consulate?
Obviously, "Hong Kong" should have been selected but it was not.
Thanks again for any information! Truly is appreciated!
Regards,
Gibbs
06/15/08 @ 22:14
Comment from: Len [Visitor]
My company cant get me a working visa. all of the other emplyees have a working visa already. what are the requirements for applying work visa? so that i could ask my company to prepare for me and i will process myself. as long as i have supporting documents and papers right? pls. let me know. thanks so much!
06/16/08 @ 10:17
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Gibbs- What you are looking for is the answer you want to hear, but... probably not so. You CAN take your invite down to the Pudong District Services office at #2 HeHuan Rd and ask them if the can change it to HK. But it is likelt they are under orders not to grant HK processing for non-UK/COmmonwealth passport holders, which would be consistent with the current rules in place. Nonetheless, asking can't hurt eh?
But yes, your invite, as it reads now, requires you to go to your home country, USA, to process your Z visa. You can take your chances and go down to HK with a letter that states USA or vice versa, but I seriously doubt you can explain that to your HR when things don't work out and you need to get another invitation letter. In times like this, its best to go by the book.
But yes, your invite, as it reads now, requires you to go to your home country, USA, to process your Z visa. You can take your chances and go down to HK with a letter that states USA or vice versa, but I seriously doubt you can explain that to your HR when things don't work out and you need to get another invitation letter. In times like this, its best to go by the book.
06/16/08 @ 11:40
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
"what are the requirements for applying work visa?"
Len...errr, did you read the article? The article clearly lists all required documents each step of the way, AND gives you a summary of ALL the documents needed at the end in the appendix.
06/16/08 @ 11:43
Comment from: Heather [Visitor]
Do we definitely have to have our resumes and recommendation letters translated? This is the first time I'm reading this.
06/16/08 @ 18:05
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Resumes need to be in Chinese but "stamped" by your employer confirming they have seen it. But the content needs to be complete so the labor dept can assess your qualifications as well to make sure before they issue work license to company to allow them to hire you as a foreign hire. Recommendation letters, and even diplomas and such should also be translated for same reason.
06/17/08 @ 03:53
Comment from: Piet [Visitor]
Dear mr Yu,
thanks for your work. What would we do without internet these days.
The following: I'm very busy travelling to Africa and my homecountry the Netherlands. I think I won't make it to get my Z visa issued in the Netherlands. But I will spend 10 days in Kenya. Do you think I make any chance to get my Z-visa in Kenya?
regards,
Piet
thanks for your work. What would we do without internet these days.
The following: I'm very busy travelling to Africa and my homecountry the Netherlands. I think I won't make it to get my Z visa issued in the Netherlands. But I will spend 10 days in Kenya. Do you think I make any chance to get my Z-visa in Kenya?
regards,
Piet
06/18/08 @ 01:54
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Sorry Piet, I suspect you are about to get busier with a trip back to the Netherlands if they stick to he current rules. But then again, only way you will know is if they can issue the invitation here indicating Kenya as the point of processing. Good luck.
06/18/08 @ 12:50
Comment from: barrel [Visitor]
Hi Mr Yu,
Thanks for the reply.
You refer to an Alien Work Permit. But it has been my belief for the last 3 years that the RP and work permit are one and the same.
Is the Alien Work Permit an actual seperate document or book that I should be holding along with my foreign experts certificate. What does it look like?
Thanks for the advice
Thanks for the reply.
You refer to an Alien Work Permit. But it has been my belief for the last 3 years that the RP and work permit are one and the same.
Is the Alien Work Permit an actual seperate document or book that I should be holding along with my foreign experts certificate. What does it look like?
Thanks for the advice
06/18/08 @ 17:49
Comment from: Dave [Visitor]
Just wondering if anyone can help me? i am the chief representative of a foreign owned company with a representative office in China.my wife and i hav just arrived in china and are in the process of going through the final stages of aquiring my Z visa. however, i have just been told that i need a University degree as part of my application, which i don't have. firstly, is it necessary to have a degree? and secondly, if so what are my other options?
06/21/08 @ 16:28
Comment from: endgame [Visitor]
I have all my documentation ready to process my Z Visa in HK, and both official documents say HK as the location for applying for the Z Visa.
Can I personally go to the China Visa Office in HK? if so, where is that? I can't find it anywhere on the net... otherwise, is 600HKD a reasonable price to pay an agency in HK to do this for me??
Thx again for your info - by far the most no-BS analysis of this stuff on the net!
Can I personally go to the China Visa Office in HK? if so, where is that? I can't find it anywhere on the net... otherwise, is 600HKD a reasonable price to pay an agency in HK to do this for me??
Thx again for your info - by far the most no-BS analysis of this stuff on the net!
06/25/08 @ 18:20
Comment from: Jaime [Visitor]
Hi,
I desperately need help!
I am done till step 3; already have the first visa Z slip in my passport (have gone back to home country, and back to shanghai). However, my ticket back to my home country is on 11th July while my medical appointment is on 3rd July. I will not be able to make it in time to complete the whole process of visa Z.
Anyone knows if I can go back to my home country before the whole procedure is done?
I desperately need help!
I am done till step 3; already have the first visa Z slip in my passport (have gone back to home country, and back to shanghai). However, my ticket back to my home country is on 11th July while my medical appointment is on 3rd July. I will not be able to make it in time to complete the whole process of visa Z.
Anyone knows if I can go back to my home country before the whole procedure is done?
06/26/08 @ 13:40
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Barrel: The Alien Work Permit is a seperat document from the Residence permit. My wife and son hold Residence permits, which currently are visa-like labels added to your passport. This does NOT allow one to work. Only an ALien Work Permit (little red book) will. Not too clear on foriegn expert cert though, sorry.
Dave: it is possible they will accept company chopped letters of reference indicating why the company sees youa s qualified for the position. keep in mind that the labor bureau here needs to be convinced that you are more qualified for that job than unemployed locals are.
Endgame: go to the HK Visa Authority office in person and handle the application if you have all your ducks in a row. Takes 2 days these days i beleive. Agency may also do for you, but heck youa re already down there...
Jaime: If your Z visa is listed as a single entry visa, then you CANNOT leave until teh process if completed, UNLESS you wish to start the process over. In Emergency cases, you MAY be able to extend your stay here but I belive to leave would reset the procedures.
Dave: it is possible they will accept company chopped letters of reference indicating why the company sees youa s qualified for the position. keep in mind that the labor bureau here needs to be convinced that you are more qualified for that job than unemployed locals are.
Endgame: go to the HK Visa Authority office in person and handle the application if you have all your ducks in a row. Takes 2 days these days i beleive. Agency may also do for you, but heck youa re already down there...
Jaime: If your Z visa is listed as a single entry visa, then you CANNOT leave until teh process if completed, UNLESS you wish to start the process over. In Emergency cases, you MAY be able to extend your stay here but I belive to leave would reset the procedures.
06/26/08 @ 17:56
Comment from: kost [Visitor]
hi,
Im born in 1983 and been working in Shanghai for 7 months, right after graduation. Does anyone know if there is a rule for a "minimum of two years of working experience" after graduation? I ve done internships during studies and in total I ve been working for more than two years, is it possible to ask for this time to be counted in?
Im born in 1983 and been working in Shanghai for 7 months, right after graduation. Does anyone know if there is a rule for a "minimum of two years of working experience" after graduation? I ve done internships during studies and in total I ve been working for more than two years, is it possible to ask for this time to be counted in?
06/27/08 @ 15:39
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Nothing is for certain Kost. i would definitely use that expereince to your advantage and list it on your CV but the way the Chinese system works, they do not count internships while a student b/c a person is either defined as a student or a worker here so they cannot get it thru their thick skulls one can work full time and go to school. Good luck though.
06/28/08 @ 00:48
Comment from: haixing [Visitor]
Hi,
I am of a similar background with Kost, my Z application was denied because I do not have the "minimum of 2 years relevant working experience" despite the fact that I have also, in total, worked for over 2 years while also a student.
My company still wants me to start work in China. What would be the best way to proceed now?
They can employ and pay me from overseas if this would help.
I am of a similar background with Kost, my Z application was denied because I do not have the "minimum of 2 years relevant working experience" despite the fact that I have also, in total, worked for over 2 years while also a student.
My company still wants me to start work in China. What would be the best way to proceed now?
They can employ and pay me from overseas if this would help.
07/01/08 @ 03:09
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
HaiXing- If indeed they had denied you based on the lack of "2 years experience", then your best bet will be to wait until you satisfy that requirement. As unfair as that may seem to you, the "2 year" rule in most cases makes sense as they want expats that are uniquely qualified above what is available in the local human resource pool, and given the high unemployment rate of new and recent graduates (over 30% do not find jobs out of school) they need to get locals employed first. Employing you overseas and allowing you to work away from China is certainly an option, but remote pay but sending you here to work is out of the question as that still will require a Work Permit. Good luck though!
07/01/08 @ 09:12
Comment from: mission successful [Visitor]
FYI - I received my Z-Visa issued in Hong Kong today. Submitted it on June 30th (Monday) and it took 24 hours + 1 holiday (July 1st is a day off here) so i received it back on Wed, July 2.
no questions asked no problems at all.
I did have Hong Kong written on BOTH my documents, which is necssesary or they will likely not issue it here!!!
also i got mine as a Foreign Expert, not the standard work/business.
GL!
no questions asked no problems at all.
I did have Hong Kong written on BOTH my documents, which is necssesary or they will likely not issue it here!!!
also i got mine as a Foreign Expert, not the standard work/business.
GL!
07/02/08 @ 13:04
Comment from: problemchild [Visitor]
dear MR. yu
i have the bigest problem in here in shanghai about my visa.. i have my working visa already then i found a new job then my new job told me that they can give me new working visa so i resign to my old job..
my old job cancel my working visa and residence permit and they give me only 3 days to pack all my things because they said i need to go back to my country..
but the thing is my new employer willing to apply a new Working visa for me and all the documents are all done to process my visa.
and then the old company give me 3 days only upon the cancelling of my working visa sudenly my wallet and my passport was stole while im buying something in pudong..
so i report it to our consulate to file a lost passport and take a new one...
the question is if my new passport arrive can i still get a L visa for 1month to completely process my new working visa... hope i can get a reply for this big problem of mine..
thank you very much.
i have the bigest problem in here in shanghai about my visa.. i have my working visa already then i found a new job then my new job told me that they can give me new working visa so i resign to my old job..
my old job cancel my working visa and residence permit and they give me only 3 days to pack all my things because they said i need to go back to my country..
but the thing is my new employer willing to apply a new Working visa for me and all the documents are all done to process my visa.
and then the old company give me 3 days only upon the cancelling of my working visa sudenly my wallet and my passport was stole while im buying something in pudong..
so i report it to our consulate to file a lost passport and take a new one...
the question is if my new passport arrive can i still get a L visa for 1month to completely process my new working visa... hope i can get a reply for this big problem of mine..
thank you very much.
07/02/08 @ 15:49
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Problemchild- So sorry to hear about all those issues combined into one mess.
The cancelling of your work permit by the previous employer is valid. They do have that right though many will not react so quickly. nonetheless, when they cancel it they also have to provide you with a letter of release indicating that you are no longer their employee. I am uncertain how they cancelled your residence permit unless you were foolish enough to have provided them with your passport at the time of cancellation.
But I guess thats all over and donw with with the loss of your passport. Seems now, you will likely have to go through the entire work visa /permit process from the beginning. When your new passport arrives, you can request the PSB give you a month and see what they say. Otherwise you will need to exit and wait outside the country while they process teh initial steps of the new work license/ invitation , etc... Depends of your Passport country in many cases too. Good luck.
The cancelling of your work permit by the previous employer is valid. They do have that right though many will not react so quickly. nonetheless, when they cancel it they also have to provide you with a letter of release indicating that you are no longer their employee. I am uncertain how they cancelled your residence permit unless you were foolish enough to have provided them with your passport at the time of cancellation.
But I guess thats all over and donw with with the loss of your passport. Seems now, you will likely have to go through the entire work visa /permit process from the beginning. When your new passport arrives, you can request the PSB give you a month and see what they say. Otherwise you will need to exit and wait outside the country while they process teh initial steps of the new work license/ invitation , etc... Depends of your Passport country in many cases too. Good luck.
07/03/08 @ 10:57
Comment from: haixing [Visitor]
Mission Successful-- you should probably mention your country of origin. If you are British that might explain why you could get it in HK.
07/04/08 @ 08:14
Comment from: tinker [Visitor]
which countries are required to automatically leave and apply for this in home country?
I am currently on a Z visa from a previous company, applying for this to be "transferred" (if possible) to another company that I have been working for 6 months now. It would seem that previous employer never cancelled this Z visa, and now cannot get a response from them to do so.
Therefore, I cannot get a letter of resignation from them.
I'm thinking after reading everything here (which by-the-by is the most clear information I have been able to find on the subject for the last 4-5 months) that I will have to go back to UK and start the whole process again.
Can you confirm Yu?
I am currently on a Z visa from a previous company, applying for this to be "transferred" (if possible) to another company that I have been working for 6 months now. It would seem that previous employer never cancelled this Z visa, and now cannot get a response from them to do so.
Therefore, I cannot get a letter of resignation from them.
I'm thinking after reading everything here (which by-the-by is the most clear information I have been able to find on the subject for the last 4-5 months) that I will have to go back to UK and start the whole process again.
Can you confirm Yu?
07/07/08 @ 16:48
Comment from: laure l [Visitor]
Dear Mr Yu,
I m in the same case as many the last people who let messages. In fact I have been working in China for two years under an F visa and now I m changing company and I will apply for a Z visa. My current company can make me an attestation that says I have worked for them for two years , hence I have the two years experience, but I m afraid that when I will show this to the authorities for having my working licence they will realize I have worked for two years under an F visa which is now illegal. They will not give me any visa and will throw me out..what should I do? My company has only chinese stamps... but it is not my fault if for two years working under business visa was not a problem, and now it is
I m in the same case as many the last people who let messages. In fact I have been working in China for two years under an F visa and now I m changing company and I will apply for a Z visa. My current company can make me an attestation that says I have worked for them for two years , hence I have the two years experience, but I m afraid that when I will show this to the authorities for having my working licence they will realize I have worked for two years under an F visa which is now illegal. They will not give me any visa and will throw me out..what should I do? My company has only chinese stamps... but it is not my fault if for two years working under business visa was not a problem, and now it is
07/07/08 @ 21:42
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
laure l- Actually working for a local company on an F visa has always been illegal. Its only now that enforcement is becoming more stringent. It does sound like its a catch-22, but honestly i would still list the experience and plead ignorance on the visa issue as you were told by your former employer that it was the proper visa.
tinker- UK is NOT on that list. Based on most recent info, UK passport holders can go to HK to process Z-visa procedures.
tinker- UK is NOT on that list. Based on most recent info, UK passport holders can go to HK to process Z-visa procedures.
07/08/08 @ 16:41
Comment from: laure l [Visitor]
To mr Yu
yes, but being honest by saying I did not know and my company did not know, will not oblige them (and I) to pay to the government a huge fine, and throw me away...? and be black listed?
the solution of making a fake attestation, with a fake stamp is is possible? (it is easy in China) I mean, do you think they check the former companies, calling headquarters in other countries)...or maybe the new company that will hire me can make me a fake one (but I m not sure they will accept), anyway they know I have the two years experience, that's the most important. So if I make a fake, what are the risks?
Last question: because my new company is a big company, by saying they really want me cannot change something? to avoid these two years papers...
I made a lot of sacrifices within two years, and now I have THE job, it would be really terrible, not have the visa.
Thanks for your advice
yes, but being honest by saying I did not know and my company did not know, will not oblige them (and I) to pay to the government a huge fine, and throw me away...? and be black listed?
the solution of making a fake attestation, with a fake stamp is is possible? (it is easy in China) I mean, do you think they check the former companies, calling headquarters in other countries)...or maybe the new company that will hire me can make me a fake one (but I m not sure they will accept), anyway they know I have the two years experience, that's the most important. So if I make a fake, what are the risks?
Last question: because my new company is a big company, by saying they really want me cannot change something? to avoid these two years papers...
I made a lot of sacrifices within two years, and now I have THE job, it would be really terrible, not have the visa.
Thanks for your advice
07/08/08 @ 21:40
Comment from: andre niedermann [Visitor]
does anyone know the difference between the regular working visa and the expat visa?
does the expat working permit have more rights? tax issues?
does the expat working permit have more rights? tax issues?
07/09/08 @ 09:01
Comment from: Mission Successful [Visitor]
I am a Canadian Citizen. I am fairly certain this is not critical though. I believe that as long as the offical Visa Invitation and Work License (or as in my case Foreign Expert Document) say that the Z-Visa must be applied for in Hong Kong, then HK will accept. Note that these documents are issued by the Central and Beijing Government and the office in HK is Central Government office located in HK SAR.... So if the official invitations say the processing must be done in HK, then the HK office cannot rightfully reject.
I have not heard of any cases in which the 2 official letters state Hong Kong application destination in the officialy designated spot and the applicant was rejected.
The one caveat is that if your country of citizenship is on the 'China blacklist' you may have issues.
Also, the tricky part is getting the Central Gov't / City Gov't to write down Hong Kong on the line indicating where you should apply in the first place... once ur in HK and u have this it should be no problem.
I have not heard of any cases in which the 2 official letters state Hong Kong application destination in the officialy designated spot and the applicant was rejected.
The one caveat is that if your country of citizenship is on the 'China blacklist' you may have issues.
Also, the tricky part is getting the Central Gov't / City Gov't to write down Hong Kong on the line indicating where you should apply in the first place... once ur in HK and u have this it should be no problem.
07/09/08 @ 11:09
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
andre- There is only one visa that allows one to come to China to work and thats the Z-visa. There is not such thing as an "expat visa". The Z-visa is the visa that any foreigner is supposed to enter on to complete the process of being allowed to work in China.
laure l- honesty is the best policy here as ther is no other recourse. Honestly I doubt they will even notice the visa issue as the department validating your work license to use for the new visa is teh labor department and I doubt they care. And even if the PSB catches it, I doubt they would bother banning you. A fine? maybe but I think if anything they would address the former employer as they were the ones that had you employed illegally.
laure l- honesty is the best policy here as ther is no other recourse. Honestly I doubt they will even notice the visa issue as the department validating your work license to use for the new visa is teh labor department and I doubt they care. And even if the PSB catches it, I doubt they would bother banning you. A fine? maybe but I think if anything they would address the former employer as they were the ones that had you employed illegally.
07/09/08 @ 17:02
Comment from: Kitia [Visitor]
i recently registered up a small wofe (whole owned foreign enterprise) consulting firm.the capital is less than half a million rmb. i am about to start the visa processes. i am the owner of the business and i have searched for the info in a lot of places and i have yet to find the most accurate one. i will be the top person of my company. what you put here doesn't cover me as i am going to be the CEO of my company. how do i go about the process? thanks in advance
07/19/08 @ 19:39
Comment from: sshanghai [Visitor]
Ok so I have several questions regarding the Z visa. I currently have a Z visa the residence visa and it expries on Sept 1st. I was issued it under a family member (my sister). So what I am wondering is if I can renew that visa, or will the government deny me because it is under my siser and not a mother or father. Secondly since I already have the Z visa do I need to go through all the steps that are required to get a working visa or can I jsut go ahead and apply for the working license and the 1 year working permit?
07/20/08 @ 16:38
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Kitia- The basic steps are similar in that you DO need to provide all the info listed above at every step EXCEPT you should not be required to exit the country for a Z Visa and you may be able to go straight to getting the Work Permit and residence permits. the Labor Bureau would be the best source of that info as I did not get a chance to look that up. My focus was on the non-GM/Vice GM's because I wanted to help as many of those who needed to get info, many who probably do not have the resources of a WOFE GM etc. Sorry, will try and follow up wit more info when I have time though in that area.
sshanghai- the residence permit you have is a dependants permit based on your sister's work permit. in order to be allowed to work, you will need to apply for a work permit (which means going thru several of the steps noted in the article. Given the unusual enforecment during this period, it is unclear whether you will be allowed to not exit and get a Z visa or not. Only the PSB can tell you for sure. Probably based on your Nationality, position, and hiring company. good luck
sshanghai- the residence permit you have is a dependants permit based on your sister's work permit. in order to be allowed to work, you will need to apply for a work permit (which means going thru several of the steps noted in the article. Given the unusual enforecment during this period, it is unclear whether you will be allowed to not exit and get a Z visa or not. Only the PSB can tell you for sure. Probably based on your Nationality, position, and hiring company. good luck
07/21/08 @ 18:33
Comment from: Kitia [Visitor]
thanks for the prompt reply... i will surely check the Labor Bureau for more info. keep this going, it helps a lot of us here!
07/21/08 @ 19:30
Comment from: emma [Visitor]
hello i was hoping someone would be able to help me.
my partner is moving to shanghai next month, he has a job as a head of department in a school and i am thinking of coming to join him. his salary will be enough for both of us but i would eventually want to get a job, possibly as an english teacher (as this seems to be the best option?) my question is, what type of visa would i need to live there initially, how long does it last and would i be able to upgrade or change to a working visa once i arrived and got a job a few months down the line? or would i need to go home while i applied for it? what course of action would you recommend? my original plan was to visit during holidays or for him to return but i am finding the idea of coming with him would work out alot better and cheaper in the long run....any advice welcome, thanks!
my partner is moving to shanghai next month, he has a job as a head of department in a school and i am thinking of coming to join him. his salary will be enough for both of us but i would eventually want to get a job, possibly as an english teacher (as this seems to be the best option?) my question is, what type of visa would i need to live there initially, how long does it last and would i be able to upgrade or change to a working visa once i arrived and got a job a few months down the line? or would i need to go home while i applied for it? what course of action would you recommend? my original plan was to visit during holidays or for him to return but i am finding the idea of coming with him would work out alot better and cheaper in the long run....any advice welcome, thanks!
07/29/08 @ 02:29
Comment from: denise [Visitor]
hello Mr.Yu, I'm curently working as an English teacher here in Shanghai.My application for the Foreign Experts Certificate has ben rejected, for the reason being that : 1. I am a Filipino; 2. I'm not a native speaker. I feel it was very unfair,for they have not observed my classes,nor heard my accent(which is already an American accent).I feel that I was heavily discriminated. What are the other options that I have to gain a Z visa?Thank you so much!
08/20/08 @ 22:43
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
emma- as a non-working depenndant, you will be eligible to also get a residence permit after your spouse does. Come on a basic L visa and do the paperwork after arriving. The end of the article notes what you will need. If you opt to find a job, then you will also go thru some of the process listed above to get a work permit, but the rules and enforcement may change by then so no point going into details at this point.
Denise- Sorry to hear your news. Yes, the government can be highly discriminatory at times and others just not very openly logical. The Non-native speaker issue though is one I have heard often and i really do not know what your recourse is. You may want to check in on other site that focus more on teacher issues as i am not familiar with the intricacies of the Experts Certificate. Good luck.
Denise- Sorry to hear your news. Yes, the government can be highly discriminatory at times and others just not very openly logical. The Non-native speaker issue though is one I have heard often and i really do not know what your recourse is. You may want to check in on other site that focus more on teacher issues as i am not familiar with the intricacies of the Experts Certificate. Good luck.
08/21/08 @ 12:43
Comment from: yee [Visitor]
Thanks for sharing your info, must have taken some time!
I have a couple of queries about my X visa (more than 6 months study). The duration of stay is printed as ‘000’ days like yours, and there’s a stapled slip reminding me to get a residence permit within 30 days. This is normal, right? Does ‘000’ really mean 30 days? It’s also a single entry visa, though I applied for a multi-entry. I’ve heard they’re not (or rarely) issuing multi entries anymore. Any chance that I can change it once in China or does the residence permit allow multi entry?
Finally, with regards to the health certificate for the residence permit, can I get that done before I go to China and if so, is there a website I can obtain the appropriate form from?
Many thanks if you can answer my questions!
I have a couple of queries about my X visa (more than 6 months study). The duration of stay is printed as ‘000’ days like yours, and there’s a stapled slip reminding me to get a residence permit within 30 days. This is normal, right? Does ‘000’ really mean 30 days? It’s also a single entry visa, though I applied for a multi-entry. I’ve heard they’re not (or rarely) issuing multi entries anymore. Any chance that I can change it once in China or does the residence permit allow multi entry?
Finally, with regards to the health certificate for the residence permit, can I get that done before I go to China and if so, is there a website I can obtain the appropriate form from?
Many thanks if you can answer my questions!
08/25/08 @ 01:37
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Hi Yee, The X visa is just a single entry permit but for students to get their documentation in line and apply fo their residence permit. Yes, "000" means you have 30 days o get that procedure COMPLETED. And yes, your Residence permit will act as your multi entry Visa unless it lists any restrictions. Keep in mind though that unless things changed, the school needs to be notified before you leave the country as they are listed as being the responsible sponsor for your visa.
As for the Health check, I would just get t done when you come. It is highly efficient and not that expensive.
As for the Health check, I would just get t done when you come. It is highly efficient and not that expensive.
08/25/08 @ 15:22
Comment from: Ian M. Washburn [Visitor]
Hello Yu:
Thank you for being so helpful to so many people!
Perhaps you'll be kind enough to help me with your opinion.
I have been living and working in China continuously since May 2005.
I always have had valid work and residence permits.
I currently have a Residence Permit issued in Qingdao, good until October 21st. Purpose of residence is listed as "work".
I have accepted a job in Guangzhou, and moved here recently.
In your opinion, can I get a new Alien Employment Permit (AEP) here, on the basis of my current Residence Permit?
Then after getting the AEP, I intend to immediately get a new Guangzhou Residence Permit.
Or, heaven forbid, must leave China to get a new Z Visa, and start from scratch?
Can I maybe just go to HK and get new Z visa (I am U.S. citizen).
My new company can certify that I am a vice GM, but the capitalization is under three million.
Thank you for your opinion.
--Ian
Thank you for being so helpful to so many people!
Perhaps you'll be kind enough to help me with your opinion.
I have been living and working in China continuously since May 2005.
I always have had valid work and residence permits.
I currently have a Residence Permit issued in Qingdao, good until October 21st. Purpose of residence is listed as "work".
I have accepted a job in Guangzhou, and moved here recently.
In your opinion, can I get a new Alien Employment Permit (AEP) here, on the basis of my current Residence Permit?
Then after getting the AEP, I intend to immediately get a new Guangzhou Residence Permit.
Or, heaven forbid, must leave China to get a new Z Visa, and start from scratch?
Can I maybe just go to HK and get new Z visa (I am U.S. citizen).
My new company can certify that I am a vice GM, but the capitalization is under three million.
Thank you for your opinion.
--Ian
08/27/08 @ 16:00
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
My understanding is that if you have a valid residence permit and are changing jobs, you should be able to process the transfer of jobs and it will not require you to exit the country. Up until before the Olympics anyhow, the fact that you are coming to be Vice GM should also allow an exemption to exit.
08/28/08 @ 15:07
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Just thought I'd list a couple good links for more info on Visas etc...
http://fxzl.blogspot.com
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/Practical-Advice/Visa-Issues
http://www.chinalawblog.com/
A proxy may be required for any of these links.
http://fxzl.blogspot.com
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/Practical-Advice/Visa-Issues
http://www.chinalawblog.com/
A proxy may be required for any of these links.
08/29/08 @ 11:18
Comment from: Dale [Visitor]
i want to ask if I do not have the necessary documents from the university and I only have the 5 years work certification from my previous company and has been certified and authenticated by the department of foreign affairs in my country, can I use it when applying for a work license. as my university docs has been stolen and the only thing that was left on me was the work certification and I am currently working on the other branch of our company and plans to move me there in china office.
please I need your advice.
please I need your advice.
09/05/08 @ 11:07
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Dale- sometimes just work experience is enough, but to be safe I would contact your university to get certified copies so that you will have them just in case.
09/05/08 @ 11:34
Comment from: kah [Visitor]
for how long is the work permit normally valid? would you know by any chance? thanks in advance. kah.
09/06/08 @ 04:25
Comment from: neha [Visitor]
Hi, i am currently working in Shanghai and in the process of applying for residence visa but my husband is not here with me. He is lookig for work and will only come once he has found a job here in Shanghai. Is he able to join me as a dependent visa or does he have to apply separately? Or can i apply for him from Shanghai? You help to my question is appreciated
09/06/08 @ 13:29
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Kah- typical employee work permits are valid for one year from time of application. Large MNC's and some company executives may get 2 year and even longer work permits occasionally.
Neha- Your spose can get a dependent visa first to come with you then after he finds a job, apply for work permit and then covert his residence permit to be attached to his new job.
Neha- Your spose can get a dependent visa first to come with you then after he finds a job, apply for work permit and then covert his residence permit to be attached to his new job.
09/09/08 @ 16:21
Comment from: Henri [Visitor]
Hi there, my partner and I are not married, but he will support me once we live in Beijing, or at least until I find a job. He is already working in Beijing/Shanghai and is busy converting his Z visa into a residency permit.
Is there any way that I can obtain a dependent visa through him, eventhough we're not married?
Is there any way that I can obtain a dependent visa through him, eventhough we're not married?
09/12/08 @ 18:21
Comment from: Matt [Visitor]
is there a way to expedite the whole process? Is there a rush service where you can pay additional fee and get things done quickier? will appreciate your insight.
09/13/08 @ 03:51
Comment from: Ahmet Ariyurdu [Visitor]
Hi there
We have opened a company in shanghai and i am one of the partner of company my question is : am i need a labor contract ? or which documents needs for behalf of this
thanks
We have opened a company in shanghai and i am one of the partner of company my question is : am i need a labor contract ? or which documents needs for behalf of this
thanks
09/24/08 @ 05:03
Comment from: KD [Visitor]
Hi Yu,
Just want to let you know that your blog is so helpful and the link is being quoted in Sep 2008 Shanghai Consulate News for Americans.
:-)
Just want to let you know that your blog is so helpful and the link is being quoted in Sep 2008 Shanghai Consulate News for Americans.
:-)
09/24/08 @ 09:12
Comment from: Helen [Visitor]
Hello Mr. Yu,
I just wanted to mention a few things. I am in Nanning,Guangxi, and the medical seems to be different here. It cost me about 380, plus rush money, and is a small brown book with my picture in it. I only needed two photos, one for the paperwork, one for the book.
Also, some visa's require you to get your medical and criminal check in your home country, but I have never been able to use that one in China, so I wouldn't recommend anyone try. As a matter of fact, I already had my medical book from China when I got to Canada for the madatory home country trip, but still has to pay $118 for the medical here.
I just wanted to mention a few things. I am in Nanning,Guangxi, and the medical seems to be different here. It cost me about 380, plus rush money, and is a small brown book with my picture in it. I only needed two photos, one for the paperwork, one for the book.
Also, some visa's require you to get your medical and criminal check in your home country, but I have never been able to use that one in China, so I wouldn't recommend anyone try. As a matter of fact, I already had my medical book from China when I got to Canada for the madatory home country trip, but still has to pay $118 for the medical here.
10/08/08 @ 17:37
Comment from: ivy [Visitor]
im busy dealing with the Z visa, work permit, residence permit etc for the new GM, can you help me? mobile phone: one three seven six one three three one eight two seven
thanks
Ivy
thanks
Ivy
10/08/08 @ 22:16
Comment from: ivy [Visitor]
i found your comment www allroadsleadtochina com/index.php/2008/06/08/z-visa-update-the-bigger-picture/
well, why exit to apply for z visa these days if he is a GM, this upset me
well, why exit to apply for z visa these days if he is a GM, this upset me
10/08/08 @ 22:22
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Henri- yes, China does recognize unmarried couples for purposes of defining a dependant so long as your home country embassy/consulate is willing to document that you are in a committed relationship. You may need to do a search on ShanghaiExpat.com's forums for the exact details, but many have successfully done so.
Matt- no real expedition these days, barring some really good "guanxi". maybe some agencies still can be hired for that. Otherwise,sorry.
Helen, yes, my comments are based on a Shanghai-centric expereince and other localities may have varied requirements and flexibilities. This IS China afterall.
KD- thanks for the tip. Yes, I saw it in my email as well.
Ivy- not sure why you are upset as clearly if you are applying for a GM, s/he does not need to exit to apply, unless there are special circumstances.
Matt- no real expedition these days, barring some really good "guanxi". maybe some agencies still can be hired for that. Otherwise,sorry.
Helen, yes, my comments are based on a Shanghai-centric expereince and other localities may have varied requirements and flexibilities. This IS China afterall.
KD- thanks for the tip. Yes, I saw it in my email as well.
Ivy- not sure why you are upset as clearly if you are applying for a GM, s/he does not need to exit to apply, unless there are special circumstances.
10/09/08 @ 12:31
Comment from: Roger [Visitor]
If I am in China already, is it still necessary to go back to my home country? Or can it be done in HK as usual?
10/16/08 @ 15:04
Comment from: Varin [Visitor]
Hello Mr. Yu,
I'm moving to Hangzhou,China.
We have a rep office there.
What is the "legal" process to obtain Z Visa?
Is it same as above?
Do you have any goods agents you can recommend me?
Thanks / Best Regards,
Varin
I'm moving to Hangzhou,China.
We have a rep office there.
What is the "legal" process to obtain Z Visa?
Is it same as above?
Do you have any goods agents you can recommend me?
Thanks / Best Regards,
Varin
10/21/08 @ 12:36
Comment from: kost [Visitor]
Hi mr. Yu,
thank you for all the information...!
I want to ask the following:
I am currently under a working visa and I have a residence permit till next August. I signed a contract for 2 years with my company in September, but I want to change jobs. Is there a possibility that my employer refuses to let me go, even with one month notice in advance? Can he refuse to give me the release document that I need to register my visa under another company's name? Even worse, is it possible that he can ask my working permit to be cancelled or even my residence permit ?
Of course I am not planning to tell him I m leaving over a big fight, but I m trying to be prepared for the worst case scenario.
Thank you again for all the help !!
thank you for all the information...!
I want to ask the following:
I am currently under a working visa and I have a residence permit till next August. I signed a contract for 2 years with my company in September, but I want to change jobs. Is there a possibility that my employer refuses to let me go, even with one month notice in advance? Can he refuse to give me the release document that I need to register my visa under another company's name? Even worse, is it possible that he can ask my working permit to be cancelled or even my residence permit ?
Of course I am not planning to tell him I m leaving over a big fight, but I m trying to be prepared for the worst case scenario.
Thank you again for all the help !!
10/21/08 @ 13:27
Comment from: jimmy [Visitor]
L to Z visa
Hi all
nice to meet ya
my name is jimmy i am come from Pakistan
now in China live never Sanghai in haining City
my wife she is from S Korea she work in China in korean LTD Comp
i come here to L visa 3 months
can u help m,e how to i make L to Z visa ?
plzz help me
send me E mail king_of_korea1@yahoo.dk
more j_jimmy016@hotmail.com
and jimmyoppa@gmail.com
Hi all
nice to meet ya
my name is jimmy i am come from Pakistan
now in China live never Sanghai in haining City
my wife she is from S Korea she work in China in korean LTD Comp
i come here to L visa 3 months
can u help m,e how to i make L to Z visa ?
plzz help me
send me E mail king_of_korea1@yahoo.dk
more j_jimmy016@hotmail.com
and jimmyoppa@gmail.com
10/22/08 @ 12:47
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Varin- so long as your rep office can get a work license for you, theprocess should be essentially the same. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
kost- anything can happen as if your employer wants to hold you to your contract... BUT, in most cases, they shoudl issue you a release letter and you will be able to give that to your next employer to get your new work permit and transfer responsibility or you (per se) to the new company on yoru residence permit.
jimmy- you can get a Spousal Residence Permit. Just check out the process listed in the appendix section of the main article for documentation you will need to submit to the Entry and Exit Office.
kost- anything can happen as if your employer wants to hold you to your contract... BUT, in most cases, they shoudl issue you a release letter and you will be able to give that to your next employer to get your new work permit and transfer responsibility or you (per se) to the new company on yoru residence permit.
jimmy- you can get a Spousal Residence Permit. Just check out the process listed in the appendix section of the main article for documentation you will need to submit to the Entry and Exit Office.
10/22/08 @ 17:04
Comment from: Jack [Visitor]
Z-Visa & Work Permit:
My US company is considering me for work in their Shanghai office. The only problem is they say they cannot get a work permit for foreigners over the age of 59. I was working in Beijing and Shanghai until a few years ago. My wife is Chinese and we have a house in Shanghai. I am a US citizen and an engineer and technical manager with my company. Do you know if thes restriction is a law or just arbitrary? Does it apply to expats or only locals? Your help and input would be greatly appreciated as I am anxious to get back to Shanghai.
My US company is considering me for work in their Shanghai office. The only problem is they say they cannot get a work permit for foreigners over the age of 59. I was working in Beijing and Shanghai until a few years ago. My wife is Chinese and we have a house in Shanghai. I am a US citizen and an engineer and technical manager with my company. Do you know if thes restriction is a law or just arbitrary? Does it apply to expats or only locals? Your help and input would be greatly appreciated as I am anxious to get back to Shanghai.
10/22/08 @ 22:49
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
jack- While there IS an age restriction on certain jobs in China as they consider 60 retirement age, it is up to your company to convince the Labor Bureau why you are teh right candidate for the job despite your age or in fact because of the unique experience you possess because of your age. It is not arbitrary, they just do not want older people taking up jobs that will get filled by locals who need jobs. If your company is not making the effort or has not the contacts to make it work, you may be SOL. But I would push back and see what the real reason is. Good luck.
10/23/08 @ 14:05
Dear Sir,
I am from Pakistan.I need to know about visa policies for Pakistan now a days. Before i have been visted china 4 month signal entry visa got visa from Islamabad one month Signal Entery visa and extended there 3 month more. Now a want to visit again to china. But i want to live there more then 4 month there. Can i get multiple visa from Pakistan. If can get which kind of invitation letter i need from chines company. Also let me know about z visa now a days policies for Pakistan.It's easy or difficult. There is many news surrounding me. I need to know perfect information about all matters regarding visa's F multiple or Z visa.
Aamer
I am from Pakistan.I need to know about visa policies for Pakistan now a days. Before i have been visted china 4 month signal entry visa got visa from Islamabad one month Signal Entery visa and extended there 3 month more. Now a want to visit again to china. But i want to live there more then 4 month there. Can i get multiple visa from Pakistan. If can get which kind of invitation letter i need from chines company. Also let me know about z visa now a days policies for Pakistan.It's easy or difficult. There is many news surrounding me. I need to know perfect information about all matters regarding visa's F multiple or Z visa.
Aamer
11/09/08 @ 06:25
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
^ China treats citizens of different countries differently soyour best source for "perfect information" would probably not be from a blog, but rather to ask your local Chinese Embassy/ Consulate.
11/10/08 @ 12:49
Comment from: Ray [Visitor]
Hi, Mr. Yu
I have obtained my Z visa in Canada and the "enter before" date is Feb 6, 2009.
Is it correct that I can enter as late as Feb. 5, and then I will have 30 days to obtain my Residence Permit (obtain it by March 6)?
The company in Beijing I will work for seems to believe that Feb 6 is the deadline for me to obtain my Residence Permit (i.e. I must enter China at least 30 days before Feb 6 (or even earlier, due to Chinese New Year)).
If I am correct, is there an official website that I can show my company to prove this to them?
Thanks so much.
I have obtained my Z visa in Canada and the "enter before" date is Feb 6, 2009.
Is it correct that I can enter as late as Feb. 5, and then I will have 30 days to obtain my Residence Permit (obtain it by March 6)?
The company in Beijing I will work for seems to believe that Feb 6 is the deadline for me to obtain my Residence Permit (i.e. I must enter China at least 30 days before Feb 6 (or even earlier, due to Chinese New Year)).
If I am correct, is there an official website that I can show my company to prove this to them?
Thanks so much.
11/19/08 @ 06:09
Comment from: steph [Visitor]
Hey
I came to China with a L-Visa and start a part time internship here. Now I'm really despreate because I need to change my L-Visa to an F-Visa to start a full time internship. I read a lot during the last days and couldn't find an awnser of my questions?
I wondered whether it's possible to change my Visa status in PSB in Pudong directly or I there again the way to apply in HK for my F-Visa?
In worthed case I think to go to an visa agentcy but I'm highly afraid about my passport.
(I'm german citizen and my company had all papers for F-Visa)
Please, do you have an advice or suggestion for me to fix my situation as soon as possible?
Steph
I came to China with a L-Visa and start a part time internship here. Now I'm really despreate because I need to change my L-Visa to an F-Visa to start a full time internship. I read a lot during the last days and couldn't find an awnser of my questions?
I wondered whether it's possible to change my Visa status in PSB in Pudong directly or I there again the way to apply in HK for my F-Visa?
In worthed case I think to go to an visa agentcy but I'm highly afraid about my passport.
(I'm german citizen and my company had all papers for F-Visa)
Please, do you have an advice or suggestion for me to fix my situation as soon as possible?
Steph
11/19/08 @ 15:19
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Ray- "Enter before" means just that. It is the validity of the Visa for entry and has nothing to do with the duration probably listed as "000" which means you have 30 days form day of entry to process the rest of your paperwork for work permit and residence permit. tell your company to call the Entry and Exit Bureau to confirm though i hope this issue alone raises flags about the company's HR department and possibly the entire company's ability to solve problems or think critically. Good luck.
Steph- As far as i know, one cannot change form an L visa these days at Entry and Exit in Pudong and so a status change likely will require you to exit and get a new F or Z visa for your internship. An agency may be able to do the job as well, but you will need to find one you trust or comes well recommended.
Steph- As far as i know, one cannot change form an L visa these days at Entry and Exit in Pudong and so a status change likely will require you to exit and get a new F or Z visa for your internship. An agency may be able to do the job as well, but you will need to find one you trust or comes well recommended.
11/20/08 @ 12:29
Comment from: Wiwi [Visitor]
Dear Mr. Yu,
Thanks so much for this information. Holding a Dutch passport, I am in the proces of obtaining a workvisa (changing from a L visa)at this moment. I wondered whether you know what the current situation is with obtaining the Z-visa in Hong Kong instead of going back to one's homecountry (The Netherlands in my case)? The company I work for is arranging an invitation letter for me with Hong Kong as location to get my Z-visa..any idea whether this way I could obtain my Z-visa in HK for sure?
Thanks so much in advance!
Thanks so much for this information. Holding a Dutch passport, I am in the proces of obtaining a workvisa (changing from a L visa)at this moment. I wondered whether you know what the current situation is with obtaining the Z-visa in Hong Kong instead of going back to one's homecountry (The Netherlands in my case)? The company I work for is arranging an invitation letter for me with Hong Kong as location to get my Z-visa..any idea whether this way I could obtain my Z-visa in HK for sure?
Thanks so much in advance!
11/28/08 @ 17:21
Comment from: Furei [Visitor]
Wow,
i finally got all this information at no cost,thanks to Mr.Yu.
i only need some clarifications. i've been in china for the past 10 months on an X-visa (on a full-time course-chinese language).almost 2 months ago i joined a company on part time basis. i will be completing my study in january 2009, and my X-visa expires at the end of february. The company i'm working for now on part time basis is willing to employ me on a full-time basis after the completion of my study.
I guess i'll have to go through the procedure you've listed. My question is what is the duration for one to get through all these procedures, i try doing the maths using the duration for each process but i want your confirmation. i've got three months before my X-visa expires, do i still have enough time for the whole process? My country is a commonwealth country so i bet they better refer me to HK. and oh, can i convert from an X-visa holder to F-visa holder whiles in shanghai without going all the way to my country? Can you enlighten me on that?
Its a good work you doing,keep it up.
i finally got all this information at no cost,thanks to Mr.Yu.
i only need some clarifications. i've been in china for the past 10 months on an X-visa (on a full-time course-chinese language).almost 2 months ago i joined a company on part time basis. i will be completing my study in january 2009, and my X-visa expires at the end of february. The company i'm working for now on part time basis is willing to employ me on a full-time basis after the completion of my study.
I guess i'll have to go through the procedure you've listed. My question is what is the duration for one to get through all these procedures, i try doing the maths using the duration for each process but i want your confirmation. i've got three months before my X-visa expires, do i still have enough time for the whole process? My country is a commonwealth country so i bet they better refer me to HK. and oh, can i convert from an X-visa holder to F-visa holder whiles in shanghai without going all the way to my country? Can you enlighten me on that?
Its a good work you doing,keep it up.
11/30/08 @ 00:27
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Wiwi, honestly the only way to know for certain will be to go thru the process. If the company can arrange an invitation directing you to HK, then you are set. Remember, larger companies can make better arrangements for their staff and so if your company is a large MNC , then your chances are better.
Furei- Going from an X to a Z is possible except you may have an issue in getting past the labor board if you list you have been working illegally for this employer under a Student visa. Just make sure you have an additional 2 years of experience in this field so that the company can get a Work License to hire you. Then the process will likely be smoother and HK for a commonwealth passport holder seems o be a no-brainer. Good luck.
Furei- Going from an X to a Z is possible except you may have an issue in getting past the labor board if you list you have been working illegally for this employer under a Student visa. Just make sure you have an additional 2 years of experience in this field so that the company can get a Work License to hire you. Then the process will likely be smoother and HK for a commonwealth passport holder seems o be a no-brainer. Good luck.
12/02/08 @ 10:41
Comment from: steph [Visitor]
Hey Yu888
I changed my visa by an agendy and finally I got my F visa and everything is fine so far.
But now I have no idea how it is in my company because i work currently part time there and with an f visa I'm permitted to work full time.
Do you what what my company has to do and whether it may takes some problem? (because I changed it inside of China)
Thanks Steph
I changed my visa by an agendy and finally I got my F visa and everything is fine so far.
But now I have no idea how it is in my company because i work currently part time there and with an f visa I'm permitted to work full time.
Do you what what my company has to do and whether it may takes some problem? (because I changed it inside of China)
Thanks Steph
12/08/08 @ 15:46
Comment from: Frynze [Visitor]
Hi, I am just new here i am just curious because my company is on the process of making my L visa to Working visa they already get the alien permit to work and i also take medical test but i am not sure if they can get me a working visa without leaving china.
My question is what is the latest update in chinese visa now? i am from philippines and what other documents or process do i need to go through to finish the working visa. Thanks!
My question is what is the latest update in chinese visa now? i am from philippines and what other documents or process do i need to go through to finish the working visa. Thanks!
12/15/08 @ 15:49
Comment from: Furei [Visitor]
i guess things have gone well for you steph, can you help me locate this agency that helped you acquire the F-visa? i'll be greatful if u could help.
12/17/08 @ 00:16
Comment from: Bless [Visitor]
Hi,
I am hoping you can help me. I'm here on an L visa, my husband has been working here for a couple of months and he already got his resident permit. Can he apply for mine as a dependent spouse here? I don't want to keep travelling back and forth back to my home country just to apply for a one month visa. I called a visa agent here in Guangzhou and she said they no longer offer that kind of service while I read online sometimes ago that it is possible to do so.
Thanks, I really need your help urgently.
I am hoping you can help me. I'm here on an L visa, my husband has been working here for a couple of months and he already got his resident permit. Can he apply for mine as a dependent spouse here? I don't want to keep travelling back and forth back to my home country just to apply for a one month visa. I called a visa agent here in Guangzhou and she said they no longer offer that kind of service while I read online sometimes ago that it is possible to do so.
Thanks, I really need your help urgently.
01/03/09 @ 15:48
Comment from: NS [Visitor]
Yu:
Impressive guide.
I came to China on a tourist visa over the holidays and discovered I enjoy it immensely. I have been offered a job as an ESL teacher near HK. I have been told by my potential employer that all of the medical ect. can be taken care of in-country and that I can apply for a Z Visa in HK. Is this true? Or should I be returning to my home country to obtain a Z Visa? Also, they have told me that it will take up to 8 weeks if I return home to try and obtain my Z Visa.
Can you help?
Impressive guide.
I came to China on a tourist visa over the holidays and discovered I enjoy it immensely. I have been offered a job as an ESL teacher near HK. I have been told by my potential employer that all of the medical ect. can be taken care of in-country and that I can apply for a Z Visa in HK. Is this true? Or should I be returning to my home country to obtain a Z Visa? Also, they have told me that it will take up to 8 weeks if I return home to try and obtain my Z Visa.
Can you help?
01/08/09 @ 08:24
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
NS- depends on your employer...and the local labor bureau. If they can get you an invitation to process in HK, than great. Also depends on the passport you hold (UK or Commonwealth passports pretty much a shoo-in... others from developed countries maybe ok, but not places like Cuba, Africa, Indonesia, Middle East, and Phillipines...were they are pretty much all about enforcement ) Good luck.
01/08/09 @ 18:35
Comment from: Frynze [Visitor]
hi yu888,
I am back from a trip to HK and i want to share that i already have a Z visa on hand i apply for the expedite ang get it next day with no problem. My company is on the process of getting me the temporary residential permit. Glad to know that it is very easy now to get a visa in HK knowing i am from PHILIPPINES. This site is a great help.
Thanks!
I am back from a trip to HK and i want to share that i already have a Z visa on hand i apply for the expedite ang get it next day with no problem. My company is on the process of getting me the temporary residential permit. Glad to know that it is very easy now to get a visa in HK knowing i am from PHILIPPINES. This site is a great help.
Thanks!
01/20/09 @ 17:31
Comment from: GD81 [Visitor]
A really helpful site here, great work :-) I just have one individual question. Advice is much appreciated :-)
Is there any chance for me to get a work permit when my university degree is just half a year ago...? I did some internships at the foreign mother company during my studies. I know that usually 2 years of post-degree experience are required, so internships don't count. But maybe the Chinese subsidiary could "modify" the motivation letter for the labour bureau to prove that they really need me, for example talk about "knowledge transfer from mother company to subsidiary" or something like this...!? Is that realistic?
Is there any chance for me to get a work permit when my university degree is just half a year ago...? I did some internships at the foreign mother company during my studies. I know that usually 2 years of post-degree experience are required, so internships don't count. But maybe the Chinese subsidiary could "modify" the motivation letter for the labour bureau to prove that they really need me, for example talk about "knowledge transfer from mother company to subsidiary" or something like this...!? Is that realistic?
02/01/09 @ 01:34
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
GD81- short answer is that nothing is impossible. Will depend on how large your company is, what pull they have with the local labor bureau. If your company is willing to try, then why not try? But unless you add-value to your company, don't expect them to commit fraud for you. Good luck!
02/01/09 @ 14:05
Comment from: Kathia [Visitor]
Thanks for putting this up. It really helped giving me an idea about the timeline of this painful process (especially when applying during CNY).
I would like to highlight item #3. From my and a colleague's experience, we've been asked for a proof of medical examination at the point of applying for the Z-Visa from the consulates at our home countries (Malaysia & Switzerland respectively). We both had to be forced to pay for a health check at a consulate approved medical facility before they will accept our applications.
Both our health examination reports subsequently proved to be pointless because it was not recognised as a valid examination on the mainland (despite having done it at consulate approved facilities). We still had to pay for another health examination at the JinBang Lu, Shanghai facility before we could apply for the work permit.
So I'd add for people to best go and get their medical exam done in China BEFORE leaving the country. So this will prevent the chance of being forced to pay for another health exam at the point of application.
In my case, this massive mistake in sequence of events led to my being caught in a sticky situation of applying for all these things prior CNY and now my 30-day period is also running low but I'm still waiting for item #6 to arrive before I can proceed.
I also have a question about going to HK while still at #6 of the process. I'm supposed to go to HK this weekend (6 Feb).
Am I allowed to exit the mainland while on a single entry Z-visa? As mentioned, I'm at #6 of the process a step away from getting the residence permit to allow me multiple entry.
Also, at this point of the process, am I at risk of being fined if I don't move on to #7 before my 30 days are up? (I entered on 7 Jan)
Thanks in advance for the help.
I would like to highlight item #3. From my and a colleague's experience, we've been asked for a proof of medical examination at the point of applying for the Z-Visa from the consulates at our home countries (Malaysia & Switzerland respectively). We both had to be forced to pay for a health check at a consulate approved medical facility before they will accept our applications.
Both our health examination reports subsequently proved to be pointless because it was not recognised as a valid examination on the mainland (despite having done it at consulate approved facilities). We still had to pay for another health examination at the JinBang Lu, Shanghai facility before we could apply for the work permit.
So I'd add for people to best go and get their medical exam done in China BEFORE leaving the country. So this will prevent the chance of being forced to pay for another health exam at the point of application.
In my case, this massive mistake in sequence of events led to my being caught in a sticky situation of applying for all these things prior CNY and now my 30-day period is also running low but I'm still waiting for item #6 to arrive before I can proceed.
I also have a question about going to HK while still at #6 of the process. I'm supposed to go to HK this weekend (6 Feb).
Am I allowed to exit the mainland while on a single entry Z-visa? As mentioned, I'm at #6 of the process a step away from getting the residence permit to allow me multiple entry.
Also, at this point of the process, am I at risk of being fined if I don't move on to #7 before my 30 days are up? (I entered on 7 Jan)
Thanks in advance for the help.
02/02/09 @ 12:18
Comment from: Gilbert [Visitor]
Hi,
Can you help me out with this :
I am here in China on an 'F' visa (Business).My VISA expires on the 16th of Feb'09. I'm thinking of going to the VISA office at Shanghai on the 11th Feb for extension.
My hotel provided me the so called 'Pink' slip which looks to me more like 'Faint Red'. I hope it's the same. It's a kind of receipt which has my Name and duration of stay,the amount paid and a red stamp (all written in Chinese).I'm just am confused whether its the same slip thats actually required for renewal.
Can someone confirm coz this would save me time and headache.
Thanks
02/08/09 @ 01:17
Comment from: Tito [Visitor]
Thank you Mr. Yu for the infos you posted here.
I have questions here, hope you could help me.
I m transfering employer and would be doing the whole process of getting my new work permit & residence permit by myself.
my question is:
Do I still need a new health certificate?
What are the requirements for getting my new work permit? So I can request this to my previous and new employers.
I have questions here, hope you could help me.
I m transfering employer and would be doing the whole process of getting my new work permit & residence permit by myself.
my question is:
Do I still need a new health certificate?
What are the requirements for getting my new work permit? So I can request this to my previous and new employers.
02/22/09 @ 09:37
Comment from: Tito [Visitor]
sorry I want to add another question:
My family is with me (all with Z-visa) in China; Do they need to appear to the PSB when we renew our residence permit?
Thank you
My family is with me (all with Z-visa) in China; Do they need to appear to the PSB when we renew our residence permit?
Thank you
02/22/09 @ 10:07
Comment from: tjbullot [Visitor]
Hi Mr. Yu,
Thanks for all your advice. I have had a quick look to see if my problem has been raised and have not come across it. Forgive me if I have asked a similar question.
My husband and I have just moved from Beijing. We both had separate Z visas and residence permits under different companies. My husband was transferred with his job so I had to resign from mine. My Z visa and res. permit expires in Dec 2009. I have asked my company to cancel my Z visa. My husband's company HR department seems to think that I can still keep this residence permit until Dec (without changing it) but I don't think they are correct. My res. permit is tied to my Z visa isn't it?(My res permit has not been cancalled in my passport) Shouldn't my husbands company apply for a spouse Z visa for me? I am not going to work here.
Grateful for your views as I do not want to be told I have not obeyed the rules when Dec comes around and I need to re-new my visa. Thanks
Thanks for all your advice. I have had a quick look to see if my problem has been raised and have not come across it. Forgive me if I have asked a similar question.
My husband and I have just moved from Beijing. We both had separate Z visas and residence permits under different companies. My husband was transferred with his job so I had to resign from mine. My Z visa and res. permit expires in Dec 2009. I have asked my company to cancel my Z visa. My husband's company HR department seems to think that I can still keep this residence permit until Dec (without changing it) but I don't think they are correct. My res. permit is tied to my Z visa isn't it?(My res permit has not been cancalled in my passport) Shouldn't my husbands company apply for a spouse Z visa for me? I am not going to work here.
Grateful for your views as I do not want to be told I have not obeyed the rules when Dec comes around and I need to re-new my visa. Thanks
03/12/09 @ 13:18
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Tito:
In a renewal situation the health certificate MAY not be required depending upon how long ago your last one was. But in cases of new employment and new Work Permit / Residence permit, yes, I believe you do need to do it again. :(
As for family, just submitting the applications should suffice, especially since you all had a permits in the past.
Both cases- You will need to check with Entry and Exit on that one just to be sure though.
In a renewal situation the health certificate MAY not be required depending upon how long ago your last one was. But in cases of new employment and new Work Permit / Residence permit, yes, I believe you do need to do it again. :(
As for family, just submitting the applications should suffice, especially since you all had a permits in the past.
Both cases- You will need to check with Entry and Exit on that one just to be sure though.
03/12/09 @ 14:44
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
tjbullot: first off let me explain that you do NOT have a Z-Visa currently. What you should have is a valid Work Permit, and a valid Residence Permit. The Z Visa is just the visa you originally needed to enter on to complete the process.
Given this, your Work Permit will be cancelled by your employer when your employment is terminated. But your Residence permit is typically valid until its expiry. But you CAN choose to apply for the spousal Residence permit and have your permit attached to your spouse and his employment. You will need your spouse's employer to provide certain documentation (listed in end of original article) along with your marriage certificate and such.
Good luck.
Given this, your Work Permit will be cancelled by your employer when your employment is terminated. But your Residence permit is typically valid until its expiry. But you CAN choose to apply for the spousal Residence permit and have your permit attached to your spouse and his employment. You will need your spouse's employer to provide certain documentation (listed in end of original article) along with your marriage certificate and such.
Good luck.
03/12/09 @ 14:50
Comment from: Shrikant [Visitor]
Mr. Yu,
I read the guide and subsequent queries. I am little confused beacuse there is little difference between what you say and what local labour bureau says.
I am trying to facilitate Z visa process for Indian expats working for a company which has capitalised more than 3 mn USD. Most of them are at GM level. Unfortunately, the HR presonnel of this JV, is experiancing this process of first time. I visited labour bureau as well as HR department of the city (Yancheng) separately. I shared most of the documents that were available with me. Even after askeing specific questions, they didn't advised me for translation of any other document except for Resume. One more thing they told me, in addition to the documents you have mentioned, is police varification from a country which has issued the passport. Also they have not told me about how many copies of document i would need to carry. Since yancheng is not a capital city, all the papers whould require taking to Nanging.
Should i blindly follow what labour bureau of has told me or is there someone with whom i can cross check the same (HR department checked it with Nanjing)? Hope it sails through in these ambiguities.
I read the guide and subsequent queries. I am little confused beacuse there is little difference between what you say and what local labour bureau says.
I am trying to facilitate Z visa process for Indian expats working for a company which has capitalised more than 3 mn USD. Most of them are at GM level. Unfortunately, the HR presonnel of this JV, is experiancing this process of first time. I visited labour bureau as well as HR department of the city (Yancheng) separately. I shared most of the documents that were available with me. Even after askeing specific questions, they didn't advised me for translation of any other document except for Resume. One more thing they told me, in addition to the documents you have mentioned, is police varification from a country which has issued the passport. Also they have not told me about how many copies of document i would need to carry. Since yancheng is not a capital city, all the papers whould require taking to Nanging.
Should i blindly follow what labour bureau of has told me or is there someone with whom i can cross check the same (HR department checked it with Nanjing)? Hope it sails through in these ambiguities.
03/19/09 @ 13:39
Comment from: HalfChineseLily [Visitor]
Hello,
I was wondering if anyon might know any sites that provide specific, updated facts about acquiring a Z Visa. I interviewed at a 3M+ company that wants to hire me for a Localization position; however the HR there is skeptical about getting me a Visa since I have under 2 years post undergraduate full-time experience. Is there anything that I can do about this? Does full-time employment while attending undergraduate school count? My boyfriend and I are so desperate to fix this situation that we're even wondering whether or not filing for a marriage certificate will help the process (he is French with a Residence Permit and a Work Permit). If anyone could point me in the direction of factual information, I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks.
I was wondering if anyon might know any sites that provide specific, updated facts about acquiring a Z Visa. I interviewed at a 3M+ company that wants to hire me for a Localization position; however the HR there is skeptical about getting me a Visa since I have under 2 years post undergraduate full-time experience. Is there anything that I can do about this? Does full-time employment while attending undergraduate school count? My boyfriend and I are so desperate to fix this situation that we're even wondering whether or not filing for a marriage certificate will help the process (he is French with a Residence Permit and a Work Permit). If anyone could point me in the direction of factual information, I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks.
03/20/09 @ 23:42
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Shrikant- You may want to consider hiring an agent in your case. It is possible that the labor bureau is just making you jump through hoops that and agent may not have to. They DO have varied requirements for applicants based on country of origin, not always fair but reality.
HCL- Never be desperate, just determined. If you and your BF are indeed in a committed relationship, it is possible for you to get either the French or your own consulate to certify this and use that document to apply for a dependant spousal visa to at least stay here linked to his residence and work permit. WOudl be the same as if you were married, but that still does not solve the main issue of allowing you to work. so you would still have to get a work permit of your own...whic leads you back to the labor bureau. I find it strange that a company such as 3M does not have enough HR clout to help you get this processed. Be determined and push them to apply for you. that is the only way.
HCL- Never be desperate, just determined. If you and your BF are indeed in a committed relationship, it is possible for you to get either the French or your own consulate to certify this and use that document to apply for a dependant spousal visa to at least stay here linked to his residence and work permit. WOudl be the same as if you were married, but that still does not solve the main issue of allowing you to work. so you would still have to get a work permit of your own...whic leads you back to the labor bureau. I find it strange that a company such as 3M does not have enough HR clout to help you get this processed. Be determined and push them to apply for you. that is the only way.
03/22/09 @ 10:50
Comment from: Rayc [Visitor]
Hello Mr. Yu
I am 60 and a us citizen, my fiance is 23 and is in shanghai. we love each other. we did a K1 visa for her and it was denied by the consular officer for age gap and a question on the bona-fide relationship. since her K1 was denied- now i want to quit my US job and go marry her in shanghai and apply for a 130-I-- I want to teach english--what do you advise me to here? how can i get a work permit?
thanks
ray
I am 60 and a us citizen, my fiance is 23 and is in shanghai. we love each other. we did a K1 visa for her and it was denied by the consular officer for age gap and a question on the bona-fide relationship. since her K1 was denied- now i want to quit my US job and go marry her in shanghai and apply for a 130-I-- I want to teach english--what do you advise me to here? how can i get a work permit?
thanks
ray
03/29/09 @ 07:44
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Rayc- sorry to say but you will likely not be able to get a work permit for China as the age issue will again be a major factor. (55+ is retired age here and require special application processes to show you are uniquely qualified to do a job, ie Chairman of Board of company, CEO, etc...) Best bet would be to expect to use your savings for awhile here in China as you likely won't be able to legally work here. Come, get married, show your bonafide relationship for 2 years (plus all the love letters and such you are sending eachother now, hint hint), then apply for spousal visa to US if indeed you plan to bring her back. Good luck.
03/29/09 @ 10:46
Comment from: JV [Visitor]
Hi, thanks yu for all the great info. I'm in Canada and just booked a flight to shanghai in september. I will be in Peru for the summer, but will need to earn money soon after arriving in shanghai. Should I get a tourist Visa initially and work on the work Visa once I gain employment? Any advice would be great. Thanks
05/01/09 @ 05:56
Comment from: Emme [Visitor]
Hi, thanks for the great info! Ok, I only have a dependant resident permit but have found a great job. We have agreed that we will not deal with the whole work permit issue (I know its terrible, but its a hassle) So why would my employer be taxing me? Supposedly they are paying me out of a 'miscellaneous acct', like paying a vendor, so I am not on of payroll. The formula is the foreigner one (20% after 4800rmb). Are they taking out corporate taxes or my personal income taxes? This can get me in trouble since I do not have the work permit or the Z visa, right? I mean I will not benefit from paying taxes, so why is that happening?Help!
05/22/09 @ 16:56
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Hi Emme, you are without recourse since the company is covering their potenial tax liability by deducting that which they will probably not pay to teh tax authorities unless caught. At the same token, you cannot do anything about it because you are not working here legally so no way to file a complaint. There is a reason why its better to work legally with a work permits and residence permit as the labor bureau then does have some teeth to enforce your claims if you are in the right.
Best bet is to talk this over with your employer and go thru the standard procedure of making yourself legal. Why risk getting caught and getting a 10 day leave the country notice b/c of the "hassle" Imagine needing to pay a fine an leave on short notice...
Best bet is to talk this over with your employer and go thru the standard procedure of making yourself legal. Why risk getting caught and getting a 10 day leave the country notice b/c of the "hassle" Imagine needing to pay a fine an leave on short notice...
05/22/09 @ 17:12
Comment from: buckeye [Visitor]
Yu888, thanks for the helpful guide.
The Pudong based company I am going to work for just received my Work License then Visa Letter in 2 and 3 working days respectively.
FYI I was asked to send in the original copy of my Diploma, which I didn't see anyone mentioned before, while the photocopy of my professional certificate was accepted as additional.
I will start the z visa application inside U.S. soon.
The Pudong based company I am going to work for just received my Work License then Visa Letter in 2 and 3 working days respectively.
FYI I was asked to send in the original copy of my Diploma, which I didn't see anyone mentioned before, while the photocopy of my professional certificate was accepted as additional.
I will start the z visa application inside U.S. soon.
05/27/09 @ 02:28
Comment from: buckeye [Visitor]
Yu888,
from your check list I know that we need to complete the following within 30 days after we arrive in SH, but do you know which one doesn’t need my children's presence because of the inconvenience of my baby's schedule.
1. Registration of Temporary Residence (The company will arrange a serviced apartment in Pudong, not sure how the apart. Adm. can help)
2. Medical Exam (only my wife and I need to go as my elder less than 16.)
3. Work Permit (since I will be working there so only I need, or I can also get it done thru an agent?)
4. One Year Residence Visa
Thanks for your help
from your check list I know that we need to complete the following within 30 days after we arrive in SH, but do you know which one doesn’t need my children's presence because of the inconvenience of my baby's schedule.
1. Registration of Temporary Residence (The company will arrange a serviced apartment in Pudong, not sure how the apart. Adm. can help)
2. Medical Exam (only my wife and I need to go as my elder less than 16.)
3. Work Permit (since I will be working there so only I need, or I can also get it done thru an agent?)
4. One Year Residence Visa
Thanks for your help
05/28/09 @ 00:39
Comment from: tomtom [Visitor]
Hi Mr. Yu,
A great guide indeed.
I am just wondering if the same Z visa procedure apply to Hong Kong Citizen? If no, can I some guidance from you as to how to get the visa?
Regards.
Tomtom
A great guide indeed.
I am just wondering if the same Z visa procedure apply to Hong Kong Citizen? If no, can I some guidance from you as to how to get the visa?
Regards.
Tomtom
05/29/09 @ 13:36
Comment from: tomtom [Visitor]
Hi Mr Yu,
I am just wondering if there is any difference in the process re: getting a work visa for someone from Hong Kong as compared to other foreign countries?
Your response appreciated.
tomtom
I am just wondering if there is any difference in the process re: getting a work visa for someone from Hong Kong as compared to other foreign countries?
Your response appreciated.
tomtom
06/09/09 @ 13:29
Comment from: Alan [Visitor]
Hello. I have been working in Shanghai for 2 years under a Z visa. I recently quit and my annual residence permit expires on 25th July. Can I extend this visa? I assume not without proof that I am still employed. Ideally I would like to extend for 1 additional month so I can sort out my affairs here. Please can somebody clarify my options. Can I extend at the PSB? What are the likely charges etc.
2-I have a chance of being employed by a British firm based in Bali which is doing business in Shanghai and need somebody on site here for 3 months. What would be the procedure if a) I was employed before this residence expires on the 25th and b) after this visa expires.
Confused! Thanks
2-I have a chance of being employed by a British firm based in Bali which is doing business in Shanghai and need somebody on site here for 3 months. What would be the procedure if a) I was employed before this residence expires on the 25th and b) after this visa expires.
Confused! Thanks
06/11/09 @ 14:38
Comment from: Sandy [Visitor]
Hi Mr.Yu,
I lived in Beijing for 6 months by L visa. My family would like move to Beijing for two year. I would like working in Beijing and have a Z Visa. Could you give me advice what should I do to start process?
By the way, one of my friend can hire me be the consultant.
Thank you.
S
I lived in Beijing for 6 months by L visa. My family would like move to Beijing for two year. I would like working in Beijing and have a Z Visa. Could you give me advice what should I do to start process?
By the way, one of my friend can hire me be the consultant.
Thank you.
S
06/25/09 @ 05:59
Comment from: Nina [Visitor]
Hello,
I have a similar question to Alan. My residence permit and work permit both expire on July 31st.
That is my last day of work, and I can't find a reasonable flight back to America on that day after work is over.
I bought a flight for the next day.
So my question is, can I extend my stay - by extending my residence permit or by other means - for a single day/week/month?
If so, how much does it cost? I am an American citizen.
Thanks very much!
Nina
I have a similar question to Alan. My residence permit and work permit both expire on July 31st.
That is my last day of work, and I can't find a reasonable flight back to America on that day after work is over.
I bought a flight for the next day.
So my question is, can I extend my stay - by extending my residence permit or by other means - for a single day/week/month?
If so, how much does it cost? I am an American citizen.
Thanks very much!
Nina
06/27/09 @ 19:11
Comment from: yu888 [Member]
Alan- hopefully you found your answer already as I have not been online for a bit here. You CAN another 30day visa from the Entry Exit Bureau, but it will not be extendable. It is usually for employees leaving the country to finish formalities before leaving. Any further extension will require an exit and getting a new visa. Cost is same as usual, 940rmb if you are using an American passport , less if not.
Sandy- in order to get a residence permit for beijing, you will need to get actual employment from a Chinese (best if Beijing) company to apply for employing you to then get you your initial Z visa. You will need to go hru a similar process as noted in the article though you will need to find teh Beijing Labor bureau and Entry Exit offices to complete formalities.
Nina- same answere as Alan's except the option of just paying a fine for one day late. Honestly while its not the best choice, you may just get away with it as youa re leaving anyhow and playing ignorant (you counted the days wrong, misread the date, employer told youthe wrong thing...) will probably get you off, worst case, 500rmb fine (negotiable if you happen to only have a few hundered left in your wallet (hint)?) Good luck.
Sandy- in order to get a residence permit for beijing, you will need to get actual employment from a Chinese (best if Beijing) company to apply for employing you to then get you your initial Z visa. You will need to go hru a similar process as noted in the article though you will need to find teh Beijing Labor bureau and Entry Exit offices to complete formalities.
Nina- same answere as Alan's except the option of just paying a fine for one day late. Honestly while its not the best choice, you may just get away with it as youa re leaving anyhow and playing ignorant (you counted the days wrong, misread the date, employer told youthe wrong thing...) will probably get you off, worst case, 500rmb fine (negotiable if you happen to only have a few hundered left in your wallet (hint)?) Good luck.
07/13/09 @ 05:15
Comment from: cforever [Visitor]
Hello,
- I have a z visa and working permit in shanghai. If I change my job, can I just pass my z visa and working permit to my new employer's HR to get everything change?
- Do I need to leave the country?
- Do I need to do medical checkup again?
Thanks!
- I have a z visa and working permit in shanghai. If I change my job, can I just pass my z visa and working permit to my new employer's HR to get everything change?
- Do I need to leave the country?
- Do I need to do medical checkup again?
Thanks!
10/19/09 @ 14:27
This post has 11 feedbacks awaiting moderation...
Comment feed for this post