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Chinese Culture Discussions - Disappointment in China!
jetx - May 28, 2009 - 04:40 PM
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i hear all these good things about shanghai, because it is the best city in China.

well, sadly, the only good part of town is really small, the rest of the city is full of ancient buildings that are falling apart. everyone is so aggressive at selling you something.

ASAIN DRIVERS! THIS IS WHERE THEY GET THE STEROTYPE FROM! Almost get hit a few times....... WOW

Getting off the subway, i CANT GET OFF, PPL DONT LET YOU OFF! I **** swore at them bitches for blocking me.

the locals are so badly dressed... its funny, some girls try really hard... and they fail miserably.

the % of attractive girls is lower than 0.5%... i walked around for 8 hours each day for the past 3 days, i could count the number of attractive ones..... and it is a dense populated city.

WHY DOES EVERYONE LOOK AT ME! ALL THE GUYS ALL LOOK AT ME LIKE THEY WANT BEEF! HOLY ****, THEY STARE LIKE THEM BITCHES DO... i walk by, the would turn their head to keep staring at me... wtf...

i am asian btw... its not like i am white or black...

wtf are wrong with the chinese kids...

where can i find some normal people according to north american standards....

Very Happy
orphee - May 28, 2009 - 04:54 PM
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North America has standards? Is that what you call those blinders you got on?
missbeverly - May 28, 2009 - 04:54 PM
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orphee - May 28, 2009 - 04:59 PM
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Touche, Miss Beverly.
jetx - May 28, 2009 - 05:06 PM
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yes sir, we have higher standards if you dont believe so.

i am not hating... i am stating a fact.
orphee - May 28, 2009 - 05:14 PM
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I'm from the USA, and good riddance. What kind of moron moves to a foreign country and then complains because it's not like where he's from? If the locals stare at you it's because people who radiate hostility are frightening.
jetx - May 28, 2009 - 05:25 PM
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lol, whoa, you are prolly just like them bitches that keep staring at me and you are from the states. are you a red head from texas? lol
-Bing- - May 28, 2009 - 07:38 PM
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Hey jetx, got it to Shanghai I see.
I'm back as well. Yes, the ratio on the streets are so poor that it's a miracle to see a hot chick. If you do, then make your move straight away because you will probably never see her anymore.

Check out the nightlife, the hot chicks gather there. I've got a major jetlag, but will go scoop out town tonight!
lemongrass - May 28, 2009 - 09:01 PM
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orphee wrote:
I'm from the USA, and good riddance. What kind of moron moves to a foreign country and then complains because it's not like where he's from? If the locals stare at you it's because people who radiate hostility are frightening.


Second that.

"If you don't like it here, no one forces you to stay." -- typical answer for typical whiner
Mr Totomolo - May 28, 2009 - 09:17 PM
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lemongrass wrote:
orphee wrote:
I'm from the USA, and good riddance. What kind of moron moves to a foreign country and then complains because it's not like where he's from? If the locals stare at you it's because people who radiate hostility are frightening.


Second that.

"If you don't like it here, no one forces you to stay." -- typical answer for typical whiner


I dont agree with the way the Op expressed his frustration above; however, sorry to hijack the thread, but I take the chance to reply against the sentence above in bold letters, because it is something I have on the stomach for quite a long time (heard both from chinese and foreigners).
My story today is about Taipei 20 years ago, but it is so close to what people live in Shanghai in the present time, that I think people will get my point.
I settled in Taipei because I had married a Taiwanese lady and wanted to have a normal family life, not always between 3 continents and between planes (we had lived and married in USA, before living in France and finally setting in Taipei).
Not long ago after final move to Taipei, my ex-wife started to complain that I was often annoyed or angered by the Taiwanese way of driving, by the sidewalks so full of motorcycles that my baby had to walk in the middle of the road, by the taxis drivers spewing bloody betel nut saliva through their taxi windows,...etc..
One day, she exploded and said: " Now, you are in Taiwan, so live like a Taiwanese"
I told her:" If you think I am going to be even 50% Chinese some day, you got it all wrong..."

Making a long story short, finally, my ex-wife now lives in Texas, because she hates Taiwan, and me, I still live 50% of my time in Taipei, the other half in Shanghai.
I still hate the way it is, both in Taipei and in Shanghai, and I will probably do so until my last breath.

So what??
bloomark - May 28, 2009 - 10:21 PM
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In a word, go native and do as the locals do. Is going practical that hard for you? Save your time from being pissed off with the bad and ugly of local people, maybe there been chances and lucks around you. Life is short, don't waste it bitching and whining. You sure you can make your stay in China worthwhile or not?
ClarenceBodicker - May 28, 2009 - 11:38 PM
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lemongrass wrote:
orphee wrote:
I'm from the USA, and good riddance. What kind of moron moves to a foreign country and then complains because it's not like where he's from? If the locals stare at you it's because people who radiate hostility are frightening.


Second that.

"If you don't like it here, no one forces you to stay." -- typical answer for typical whiner


If you dont like white guys, no one forces YOU to marry them hahaa
orphee - May 29, 2009 - 12:12 AM
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^ Is this guy missing a couple chromosomes or what?
bus3 - May 29, 2009 - 05:47 AM
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OP sounds like someone who has never lived in a foreign country before. He actually very lucky, I can think of a lot worse places for him/her to be.

Learn to cope OP, you will gain a lot of personal development.
after27 - May 29, 2009 - 07:30 AM
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you, another newly arrived english teacher?

Go & Get pisssed!!!!!
jetx - May 29, 2009 - 08:19 AM
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bloomark wrote:
In a word, go native and do as the locals do. Is going practical that hard for you? Save your time from being pissed off with the bad and ugly of local people, maybe there been chances and lucks around you. Life is short, don't waste it bitching and whining. You sure you can make your stay in China worthwhile or not?


yo man, i totally agree with you, i think you all got it wrong, i am not liking this city and i will never do, but i am adepting. there is a big difference between both. my bitch ass owner for the house wont even let me wash my cloth in the washer, shes like use your hand, TYPICAL **** SHANGHNESE BITCH.

SHE UNPLUGS MY INTERNET EVERY **** DAY! how much electricity can you save from unplugging a **** modem.

i just want to share you guys my point of view here.

i went out to like 10 clubs and lounges, 9 of them were empty. then settled in one, i dont know what it is called. but pretty cool place. met some friends there, met a white girl who speaks chinese. but i dislike the majority of people going out in these places, they are much older than me by 7 years at least.

where is a good place to go with a lot of younger girls?

bar or club.

thanks
CoffeeHawk_0 - May 29, 2009 - 09:19 AM
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^just remember it's all about balance. Some things are worse, some things are better. Focus on making a new balance, not on creating your old balance (which is impossible).
jzzzzzzz - May 29, 2009 - 09:34 AM
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jetx wrote:
You have added this person to your Ignore Post List. Click HERE to view this post.


Ahhhhh that's better. Very Happy
findus - May 29, 2009 - 10:01 AM
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jetx wrote:

i just want to share you guys my point of view here.


Feel free to do so when you're not sniffing glue due to a particularly severe period.

Thanks.
jetx - May 29, 2009 - 11:26 AM
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jzzzzzzz wrote:
jetx wrote:
You have added this person to your Ignore Post List. Click HERE to view this post.


Ahhhhh that's better. Very Happy


You have added this person to your Ignore Post List. Click HERE to view this post
Chrisse - May 29, 2009 - 12:39 PM
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^ I am clicking... doesn't work...
Parkson18single - May 29, 2009 - 12:39 PM
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well, sadly, the only good part of town is really small, the rest of the city is full of ancient buildings that are falling apart. everyone is so aggressive at selling you something.

ASAIN DRIVERS! THIS IS WHERE THEY GET THE STEROTYPE FROM! Almost get hit a few times....... WOW

Getting off the subway, i CANT GET OFF, PPL DONT LET YOU OFF! I **** swore at them bitches for blocking me.

the locals are so badly dressed... its funny, some girls try really hard... and they fail miserably.

the % of attractive girls is lower than 0.5%... i walked around for 8 hours each day for the past 3 days, i could count the number of attractive ones..... and it is a dense populated city.

WHY DOES EVERYONE LOOK AT ME! ALL THE GUYS ALL LOOK AT ME LIKE THEY WANT BEEF! HOLY ****, THEY STARE LIKE THEM BITCHES DO... i walk by, the would turn their head to keep staring at me... wtf...

i am asian btw... its not like i am white or black...

wtf are wrong with the chinese kids...

where can i find some normal people according to north american standards....



Chinese or the people their living in China the standard is not based on your need or your demand, so you can't judge it right or not just by your arrogant your own lifestyle or your taste on it, you understand ?
forclosefriends - May 29, 2009 - 08:02 PM
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Find american standards in China??? are you coming to the wrong country?

Funny to hear people complaining about countries they chose to visit or stay.... Shanghai and the Whole China will never change to American Standards, not in a million years. You are the one to either adept or leave...

maybe you will sleep with a badly dressed Shanghai girl....who knows... Rolling Eyes [/quote]
Moroes - May 31, 2009 - 10:24 AM
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Actually a lot of expats will complain about Shanghai. I don't see as much complains in Kuala Lumper, Sinapore, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc. Yes, these are International cities. But Shanghai also claims to be one too. So go ahead and complain until Shanghai actually gets some International Standards! Otherwise better change Shanghai to a non-international city just to make sure there are less disappointed comers Very Happy.
dfoo - May 31, 2009 - 10:27 AM
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Complaints that are essentially "Its not like home!!!" don't seem very useful in my books. Hey Dorothy You're Not in Kansas Anymore.
cidcid - May 31, 2009 - 08:45 PM
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jetx wrote:

where can i find some normal people according to north american standards....

Very Happy

You are daydreaming, boy!
phiota - June 09, 2009 - 06:06 AM
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Moroes wrote:
Actually a lot of expats will complain about Shanghai. I don't see as much complains in Kuala Lumper, Sinapore, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc. Yes, these are International cities. But Shanghai also claims to be one too. So go ahead and complain until Shanghai actually gets some International Standards! Otherwise better change Shanghai to a non-international city just to make sure there are less disappointed comers Very Happy.


The difference between shanghai and the other cities is that shanghai is attached to china Wink which is still a third world country. So if you live here you need to accept the good (cheap labor....) with the bad (bad manners).

Jetx shanghai's also cheap enough to get your own place so that you will not have household issues.
lukero - June 10, 2009 - 01:09 AM
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Seems that Jetx is mostly angry about the lack of pretty girls... >.>
phiota - June 10, 2009 - 02:46 PM
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The tenth of an inch of difference between heaven and hell is accepting things as they are or wishing them to be otherwise.

– Zen

Quote saw in NY Times Today
tihZ_hO - June 10, 2009 - 04:49 PM
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Mr Totomolo wrote:
lemongrass wrote:
orphee wrote:
I'm from the USA, and good riddance. What kind of moron moves to a foreign country and then complains because it's not like where he's from? If the locals stare at you it's because people who radiate hostility are frightening.


Second that.

"If you don't like it here, no one forces you to stay." -- typical answer for typical whiner


I dont agree with the way the Op expressed his frustration above; however, sorry to hijack the thread, but I take the chance to reply against the sentence above in bold letters, because it is something I have on the stomach for quite a long time (heard both from chinese and foreigners).
My story today is about Taipei 20 years ago, but it is so close to what people live in Shanghai in the present time, that I think people will get my point.
I settled in Taipei because I had married a Taiwanese lady and wanted to have a normal family life, not always between 3 continents and between planes (we had lived and married in USA, before living in France and finally setting in Taipei).
Not long ago after final move to Taipei, my ex-wife started to complain that I was often annoyed or angered by the Taiwanese way of driving, by the sidewalks so full of motorcycles that my baby had to walk in the middle of the road, by the taxis drivers spewing bloody betel nut saliva through their taxi windows,...etc..
One day, she exploded and said: " Now, you are in Taiwan, so live like a Taiwanese"
I told her:" If you think I am going to be even 50% Chinese some day, you got it all wrong..."

Making a long story short, finally, my ex-wife now lives in Texas, because she hates Taiwan, and me, I still live 50% of my time in Taipei, the other half in Shanghai.
I still hate the way it is, both in Taipei and in Shanghai, and I will probably do so until my last breath.

So what??


Its not the complaining about China, its not the comparisons between China and your home country, its complaining about stupid illogical things which are lacking in even common sense.

Unfortunately for China there are a lot of stupid illogical things which are lacking in common sense.

I see no hesitation with many posters complaining about their home countries. But what is it that they complain about?

Would it be stupid illogical things which are lacking in common sense?! Of course it is!! Unless you yourself are stupid illogical and lacking even common sense you will be pissed off with people who do these things.

orphee wrote:
I'm from the USA, and good riddance."


Why?

An attitude such as this applies to many expats here and this tends to blind them to the stupid illogical things which are lacking in common sense that others see in China.

There is no argument that China is a developing country, a second and third world country. A problem that I see is China goes to great lengths to prove it is not! This has to be a result of culture - face saving.

So what is China then?

The vast majority of Chinese believe that China is the best country in the world, has the best food, the best culture and has developed this far all on its own with little input from foreign countries and expatiates. In other words China would be exactly as it is now WITHOUT any foreign investment, training or manufacturing. This is the traditional conservative view held by the vast majority of Chinese.

Because Chinese see nothing wrong with the stupid illogical and lacking even common sense things here there is nothing really to improve. Blame the "Feed the Duck" education system here. No one thinks and no one is encouraged to think - this is normal and completely acceptable. This adds to the frustration of many expats who see the stupid illogical and lacking even common sense things and realise that there is nothing that can be done about it.

Think of my light bulb joke:

Q: How many Chinese does it take to change a light globe?

A: None. A new light globe costs money and everyone will just put up with the dark anyway.

************

End of Rant in a quiet way. Very Happy
orphee - June 13, 2009 - 01:45 PM
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tihZ_hO wrote:


orphee wrote:
I'm from the USA, and good riddance."


Why?


I will tell you why.

In the US my profession is patronized and paid little. In China my position is revered and paid well. In the US I get a lot of lip service for my "ideals" and dedication; in China I make a good living at what I love. In the US my field is relegated to the fringe; in China it is embraced.
ClarenceBodicker - June 18, 2009 - 02:15 PM
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cut the crap english teacher
orphee - June 18, 2009 - 03:40 PM
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^ Not even close, Peewee. Guess you never heard of the Arts. But anyone who boasts about how many STD's he's had can't be expected to be too bright. Syph will do that to you.
bleepingbleeper - June 20, 2009 - 10:26 AM
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ClarenceBodicker wrote:
cut the crap english teacher



hahahaha! laugh of the day.
bougie - June 20, 2009 - 11:26 AM
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Yes, and that from Mr Bodicker himself .. i well respect teacher of things .. in China or Thailand or Vietnam somewhere ..
tihZ_hO - June 22, 2009 - 12:43 PM
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orphee wrote:
tihZ_hO wrote:


orphee wrote:
I'm from the USA, and good riddance."


Why?


I will tell you why.

In the US my profession is patronized and paid little. In China my position is revered and paid well. In the US I get a lot of lip service for my "ideals" and dedication; in China I make a good living at what I love. In the US my field is relegated to the fringe; in China it is embraced.


That's a very good reason I completely agree. You are one of the lucky ones, well done! Very Happy
tihZ_hO - June 22, 2009 - 12:53 PM
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Last week IKEA delivered some furniture for my wife's business NEW office in Shanghai. She paid the driver to assemble the furniture as he offered to do this. She left one of the Chinese sales staff to watch this guy and make sure he does a good job.

She just called from the office... you can guess. Everything was done half arsed and she has to disassemble a lot of it to remove the plastic that was meant to be peeled off first.

It was like leaving a child to watch another child assemble the stuff. Why should we be surprised - this is China after all.

My wife told me that Shanghai is spending even MORE money on Expo then what Beijing spent on the Olympics - this is to impress the world about China.

China wants to impress me? For starters how about grown men having more sense than little children.
mat - June 24, 2009 - 09:14 AM
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Where else in the world - Crossing guards for adults.?
ziccawei - June 24, 2009 - 09:46 AM
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And no-one pays attention to them?

The PRC - The Peoples Republic of Children.
Bluebag - June 24, 2009 - 09:54 AM
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^ Exactly!

And their job is to (attempt) to stop the punters from stepping under cars - not stop the cars from running over punters.

Welcome to mirror-world, where what's wrong is right.
yupitssean - June 24, 2009 - 10:51 AM
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^Anyone know how much they get paid? The crossing guard I pass everyday is so hilarious, he takes his job so seriously yet nobody ever pays ANY attention to him.
tihZ_hO - June 24, 2009 - 08:18 PM
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mat wrote:
Where else in the world - Crossing guards for adults.?


AAAAAaaand they don't even get that right blowing the whistle before its green!
tihZ_hO - June 24, 2009 - 08:22 PM
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Bluebag wrote:
^ Exactly!

And their job is to (attempt) to stop the punters from stepping under cars - not stop the cars from running over punters.

Welcome to mirror-world, where what's wrong is right.


Biazzro world more like

Image
tihZ_hO - June 24, 2009 - 08:29 PM
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ziccawei wrote:
And no-one pays attention to them?

The PRC - The Peoples Republic of Children.


I got a whistle on my key chain... it can work!

I'm crossing a street...

...its the green walk signal...

...a couple short authoritative blasts on my whistle...

I can stop cars, even taxis and I let people cross!

Buses...well... big game, need an elephant gun.

The crossing guards don't know what to think, but one gave me a thumbs up while laughing! Made my day that.
2shanghai - June 25, 2009 - 12:21 AM
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mat wrote:
Where else in the world - Crossing guards for adults.?


Chicago also has them (and also has poor compliance with traffic laws)
Bluebag - June 25, 2009 - 09:18 AM
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yupitssean wrote:
^Anyone know how much they get paid? The crossing guard I pass everyday is so hilarious, he takes his job so seriously yet nobody ever pays ANY attention to him.


Not sure what it is nowadays, but if I recall a few years back they were getting close to nothing - 300 RMB a month or something like that.

They're mostly laid-off factory workers.
tihZ_hO - June 26, 2009 - 02:53 PM
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Bluebag wrote:
yupitssean wrote:
^Anyone know how much they get paid? The crossing guard I pass everyday is so hilarious, he takes his job so seriously yet nobody ever pays ANY attention to him.


Not sure what it is nowadays, but if I recall a few years back they were getting close to nothing - 300 RMB a month or something like that.

They're mostly laid-off factory workers.


Actually they are Project 4050.

During the Mao era people believed all that **** about not having any higher education and the Iron Rice Bowl - jobs and security for life... HA, where they in for a surprise or what??

The government decided to do something for these people who are now in their 40's and 50's who are pissed off for believing the government.
Shadow8106 - July 01, 2009 - 02:11 AM
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[the locals are so badly dressed... its funny, some girls try really hard... and they fail miserably.

the % of attractive girls is lower than 0.5%... i walked around for 8 hours each day for the past 3 days, i could count the number of attractive ones..... and it is a dense populated city]

Ever been to Tianjin? Spent there one year and after that Shanghai feels like heaven on earth full of beautiful angels^^

Anyway,if you think girls year dress bad.... you better not visit other places.
ziccawei - July 01, 2009 - 08:36 AM
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Hang on, I don't get it.

Right now there are many Chinese girls going about their day, wearing ridiculous Cartoon-Hooker shoes and skirts so mini that you can see their little arse cheeks bouncing around. Many of them have great legs.

They're clothes, I agree, look like Hello Kitty designed them under the influence of strong hallucinogenics, but they still have a certain aesthetic that I like.

There are tons of good-looking females in this city. None of them will look like Pamela Anderson or Halle Berry because they are Chinese.
jeffo - July 01, 2009 - 06:57 PM
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They are good looking that's sure but it's when they walk like ducks or like a canadian woodworker that the magic disappears. The last goold looking one I saw had more hairs under her armpits than me...
alixiw - July 02, 2009 - 09:54 AM
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ziccawei wrote:


They're clothes, I agree, look like Hello Kitty designed them under the influence of strong hallucinogenics,
Laughing



Dude- Pamela Anderson's face is tore up!! damn- have you seen her lately??? It is rough! Shocked

Halle Berry is not tore up and just an amazing beauty.
zerg - July 09, 2009 - 11:17 PM
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jetx wrote:

i am asian btw... its not like i am white or black...

where can i find some normal people according to north american standards....

Very Happy


Asian, not black or white, North american....who are you indeed...ah...American for sure
Mandarin_Square - July 11, 2009 - 11:53 PM
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Posted: June 24, 2009 - 08:18 AM


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mat wrote:
Where else in the world - Crossing guards for adults.?


AAAAAaaand they don't even get that right blowing the whistle before its green!

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i really dont think it is about so called common sense, i think its all about common punishment you could get, in China, western people abuse the same way, well, welcome to kindergarden, new kids of block!!! and please next time do not be the number 1 coz you dont know understand what the crossing guard yell at you,hehe.
Mandarin_Square - July 12, 2009 - 12:00 AM
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i really dont think there is the so called common sense or it is only western sense, so dont ever mention about the words ILLOGIC when you in another country while we Chinese dont understand sometime think it is ILLOGIC in your LOGIC or the world be the same, but the world will never be the same,coz there is no one unified LOGIC before jugement day, and on that day, people realize what i am telling and smile to farewell. indigo power, blast!
justice1978 - July 12, 2009 - 12:34 AM
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楼上的说得对，有些老外就是觉得自己代表着人类文明的前进方向，也不看看自己的祖先是怎么从血和卑劣中走过来的，一旦站得高一点就立刻抢占道德高位，把自己过往的肮脏脱得一干二净然后对他们之前恶行的受害者指手画脚，什么狗屁逻辑，还好意思谈逻辑，朱门酒肉臭路有冻死骨哟。
tihZ_hO - July 13, 2009 - 12:27 AM
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justice1978 wrote:
楼上的说得对，有些老外就是觉得自己代表着人类文明的前进方向，也不看看自己的祖先是怎么从血和卑劣中走过来的，一旦站得高一点就立刻抢占道德高位，把自己过往的肮脏脱得一干二净然后对他们之前恶行的受害者指手画脚，什么狗屁逻辑，还好意思谈逻辑，朱门酒肉臭路有冻死骨哟。


Yep, we do. After 3000 years and still not much done.

Veritas vos liberabit!
tanyeewei - July 13, 2009 - 12:45 AM
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^ superior and not ashamed of it
cosunnybay - Aug 05, 2009 - 09:19 PM
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well, just be more optimistic. every city has its charms. smart people can find what the best this city can offer.
no beautiful girls? you are totally wrong. just come to the people's square and you may find fashionable girls
bleepingbleeper - Aug 06, 2009 - 10:09 AM
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cosunnybay wrote:
well, just be more optimistic. every city has its charms. smart people can find what the best this city can offer.
no beautiful girls? you are totally wrong. just come to the people's square and you may find fashionable girls


"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
- Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

don't understand why chinese locals like to use the word "fashionable" so much. the word has little relation to beauty. you can be fashionable and uggo at the same time, especially if ugly is fashionable - which by many foreigner opinions, is the case with chinese fashion.

much of current chinese fashion is hardly what many would call beautiful (ie. the poofy hairdos - literally and figuratively, the shorts with suspenders and stockings, the t-shirts with non-sensical english or fake brand names emblazoned across the front, etc).
jeffo - Aug 06, 2009 - 11:49 AM
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Gotta love those "juicy" printed shorts...
ffff - Aug 12, 2009 - 06:28 PM
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i met quite a few good looking girls here.
1st one is the fan-bingbing star like one
2nd is the babyface digger mentality one
3rd one is the shanghai princess model one
4th and 5th i met but no relationships ones
6th one a dancer in a club, very pretty but i didn't meet her, the closest i got to her was she sold me a lollipop.
7th one is a cute 17yr old one...currently 19.. and will be going to her room this friday to see her new underwear she bought with MAI MUNNY.
and a couple of decent looking scholarly girls; a language learner english/japanese, a musician with big "xiong", and a journalist...

but the important thing is still haven't met the one i want to marry.
lilyling - Sep 03, 2009 - 08:59 PM
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You can find disappointment all over the world... dude.
artashsh - Sep 06, 2009 - 04:42 AM
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OK, guess U are new in china. If u were here about 10 years u would appreciate what we have here today. And 1 more thing (not that I am saying shanghai IS the best place in the world) but Before U put a sticker on something try to understand it first!!!
bougie - Sep 07, 2009 - 09:54 PM
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Man, I love it here ...
victorinchina - Sep 09, 2009 - 05:00 PM
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^ Is it the fresh air?
Ex-Vagrant - Sep 17, 2009 - 01:48 AM
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Shanghai is the financial centre, international city whatever but remember it's still within Mainland China, and it means any Mainlander can come to this city from anywhere without a visa. And it will be the same in ages to come...
shanghaiceltic - Sep 17, 2009 - 10:36 AM
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Ex-Vagrant wrote:
Shanghai is the financial centre, international city whatever but remember it's still within Mainland China, and it means any Mainlander can come to this city from anywhere without a visa. And it will be the same in ages to come...


But they need a Shanghai hukou to live there legally and enjoy any of the benefits of schooling etc. Go talk to the migrant workers who if they bring their children to Shanghai cannot get them educated. But without those migrant workers no buildings would be erected.

The Govt in Beijing introduced a form of job mobility several years ago. It said that people with degrees from outsode of Shanghai could come to Shanghai and work and get a Shanghai hukou. The Shanghai govt decided this was taking jobs away from Shainghai born and bred and put up barriers to prevent it.
phiota - Sep 17, 2009 - 01:26 PM
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and this is part of a reason China even with it's long history (or maybe because of it) will never be as united as many smaller countries (ie korea, japan...).
JasUK - Sep 20, 2009 - 03:33 PM
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jetx wrote:
Getting off the subway, i CANT GET OFF, PPL DONT LET YOU OFF! I **** swore at them bitches for blocking me.

WHY DOES EVERYONE LOOK AT ME! ALL THE GUYS ALL LOOK AT ME LIKE THEY WANT BEEF! HOLY ****, THEY STARE LIKE THEM BITCHES DO... i walk by, the would turn their head to keep staring at me... wtf...

i am asian btw... its not like i am white or black...

wtf are wrong with the chinese kids...

Very Happy


In shanghai you just have to mellow out as a foreginer, people here not live up to western standards or graces and to be honest why do they need to you are in China. I am a British Indian i get stared at constantly but Shanghai is not that bad. The young guys do think they are hard nuts but i just stare back and mumble away in English.
Being a Brtish Indian i travelled to India just once and find locals attitude a little arrogant and rude, but its India. This is probably another discussion i find if you are Asian born outside in UK or Canda, USA etc you always have some issues with locals of your parents country of birth. My friends and i have experienced it and has put us off going to Indian and maybe if your parents origins are Chinese then you may have similar experiences.
But hey chill if you have experience of working internationally enjoy it i think there is more postives than negatives.
joey_chen - Sep 21, 2009 - 04:16 PM
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hey, Parkson18single, you must be a chinese, arent' you?
jetx has his right to say something, you have your right to defend. Smile
skyline5k - Sep 23, 2009 - 09:03 AM
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joey_chen wrote:
hey, Parkson18single, you must be a chinese, arent' you?
It hasn't been proven whether she's Chinese, or anything for that matter. Lab tests are inconclusive.
Wulf - Sep 27, 2009 - 02:12 PM
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jetx wrote:

Getting off the subway, i CANT GET OFF, PPL DONT LET YOU OFF! I **** swore at them bitches for blocking me.


Just FYI, I laughed hysterically when I read that. xD
victorinchina - Sep 27, 2009 - 02:25 PM
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skyline5k wrote:
joey_chen wrote:
hey, Parkson18single, you must be a chinese, arent' you?
It hasn't been proven whether she's Chinese, or anything for that matter. Lab tests are inconclusive.


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Duduzhengyu - Oct 04, 2009 - 02:46 AM
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[quote="tihZ_hO"]
Mr Totomolo wrote:
lemongrass
[quote="orphee wrote:
I'm from the USA, and good riddance."



The vast majority of Chinese believe that China is the best country in the world, has the best food, the best culture and has developed this far all on its own with little input from foreign countries and expatiates. In other words China would be exactly as it is now WITHOUT any foreign investment, training or manufacturing. This is the traditional conservative view held by the vast majority of Chinese.

Because Chinese see nothing wrong with the stupid illogical and lacking even common sense things here there is nothing really to improve. Blame the "Feed the Duck" education system here. No one thinks and no one is encouraged to think - this is normal and completely acceptable. This adds to the frustration of many expats who see the stupid illogical and lacking even common sense things and realise that there is nothing that can be done about it.



Hey, how did you know about the "vast majority of Chinese believe.." thing? Is that based on some solid date or just your guess?
"Because Chinese see nothing wrong with the stupid illogical and lacking even common sense things here there is nothing really to improve." Well, you even did bother to use "majority of Chinese"....Can I say it is "stupid logical thinking and lacking even commone sense" ?
Hey, too many words in your poster are showing your bias and not quite objective opinion to China...........
but i am wondering what makes you think like this?
ROCKETSCIENCE - Oct 07, 2009 - 02:03 AM
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orphee wrote:
I will tell you why.

In the US my profession is patronized and paid little. In China my position is revered and paid well. In the US I get a lot of lip service for my "ideals" and dedication; in China I make a good living at what I love. In the US my field is relegated to the fringe; in China it is embraced.


Adult Shop owner and Pimp?
BenJ - Oct 21, 2009 - 08:46 PM
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jetx wrote:
well, sadly, the only good part of town is really small, the rest of the city is full of ancient buildings that are falling apart.


The ancient buildings are the best part of this city, everything build after 1990 looks like Lego building, with a lot of kitsch and bad taste to make bricks stick together.
SnappySammy - Nov 13, 2009 - 05:46 AM
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BenJ wrote:
jetx wrote:
well, sadly, the only good part of town is really small, the rest of the city is full of ancient buildings that are falling apart.


The ancient buildings are the best part of this city, everything build after 1990 looks like Lego building, with a lot of kitsch and bad taste to make bricks stick together.


So so wrong....The ancient buildingd in Shanghai are old , lacking charm..reminds me of all the old apts in Paris with their extra small rooms and leaky pipes and really foul ordors.....The sooner they rebuild Shanghai and Paris the Better.. Laughing Laughing Laughing
bleepingbleeper - Nov 20, 2009 - 01:24 PM
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^ i think the old buildings in shanghai look nice from the outside. gives the place some character and sense of history. yeah, lots are probably torn up inside, but how about just some remodeling?

i think some of the (relatively) newer places are just terrible. was riding a taxi around hongqiao area yesterday to get to bubba's bbq and went past an area filled with cookie-cutter pink apt buildings. they had the large bricks in alternating pattern lining each of the buildings' 4 corners to give them a more refined look. upon closer inspection, i discovered that these were not interlaced bricks, but painted rectangles made to look like bricks. all i can do is shake my head...
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