Smoking ban in Shanghai soon?
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KalanStar
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Oct 30, 2009 - 10:31 AM |
 
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Cheap smokes are up to 70% tobacco paper, while premium ones are about 20% tobacco paper.
I wish I could get American Spirit in Shanghai. They're 100% tobacco and take abot 10 minutes to haul in. Almost no flavour because no additives. Next trip to Japan I'll bring back a few cartons.
If anyone else has tried American Spirit; did you notice you craved "normal" ciggs?? I think some of the additives are addictive, not to mention, deadly. |
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ProcrastiNation
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Oct 30, 2009 - 10:56 AM |
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| KalanStar wrote: |
Is this topic still going... wow.
I'd just like to say that it is my belief, whether I quit smoking or not, that smoking has been used as a fall guy to cover-up the true causes of the health problems we have.
I was reading a 1970's highschool science book awhile back, and on the issue of asthma rates, lung cancer, and other so-called smoking related ailments, it attributed the rise to automobiles, industrial pollution, and the use of tar based black top paving (it gives off poison gas continuously). Seeing as how industrialization, paved streets and the automobile = modern living, another culprit had to be found, ie. tobacco. How could our governments own up to the fact that "progress" was the reason people get cancer and still remain in power??? So they brainwashed their populations to harp on smoking instead of addressing the real issues.
BTW: According to any reputable source on the causes of Lung Cancer, Benzine (aka: petrol, or gas) is at the top of the list, but the brainwashed herds of the western world have never seemed to notice that.
Intrestingly enough, tobacco and cigarettes are two totaly different things. Tobacco as it is taken from the feilds and dried has only about 500 chemicals, whereas ciggarettes have 2000+. Where did all these extra 1500 chemicals come from and why are they there? Well most of them have been added to reduce the smell of smoke, the color of smoke, and the irritation of smoke. All things that non-smokers have been complaining about for eons!
(Since the 60's tobacco companies have been recycleing the dust in their factory floors and manufacturing paper from it. This is how most of the chems get into your cigg. It looks like tobacco, but the burn rate is much higher. Thus, the faster your smoke burns, the less tobbacco leaf is present. So buy high quality smokes! Also, the leaves are bathed in chemicals for 3 years before they are made into ciggs. So it would seem that industrialization is not only to blame for our health problems, but also to be blamed for the problems directly attributable to smoking. The Native N. Americans who introduced smoking to the world didn't have the problems we smokers have today!)
(Side note: Coffee also has about 500 chemicals, 13 of which have been tested resulting in the discovery that 11 of them are deadly! But I have yet to see a poster/notice stateing the dangerous chemical constituents of coffee! Why is that????)
PS: I used to have contracts at Marlboro factories, so I know the process of manufacture first hand. |
I tried to walk away but I just can't help myself. Yet another self assuring smoker referencing imaginary data.
"BTW: According to any reputable source on the causes of Lung Cancer, Benzine (aka: petrol, or gas) is at the top of the list, but the brainwashed herds of the western world have never seemed to notice that."
Oh you forgot one AKA CIGARETTE SMOKE. Cigarette smoke accounts for more than half of all benzene exposure to humans. Also I like your "any reputable source" reference.... can't argue with that....  Who's brainwashed?
"(Side note: Coffee also has about 500 chemicals, 13 of which have been tested resulting in the discovery that 11 of them are deadly! But I have yet to see a poster/notice stateing the dangerous chemical constituents of coffee! Why is that????)"
Ehh, that's why they invented Decaffeinated coffee genius, and also if I'm drinking a coffee I don't make the 10 people around me drink it also. Also I would like to see a source on those numbers, they seem very suss.
Look smoker's just admit it. What you do IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH. Sit in your apartment with your tin foil hats, smoke into the mirror and tell yourself it's all lies, I don't care. But just don't do it around me and stop writing nonsense by vaguely referencing pro-smoking propaganda from a century ago. |
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Ah Beng
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Oct 30, 2009 - 04:46 PM |
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| ProcrastiNation wrote: |
I tried to walk away but I just can't help myself. Yet another self assuring smoker referencing imaginary data.
"BTW: According to any reputable source on the causes of Lung Cancer, Benzine (aka: petrol, or gas) is at the top of the list, but the brainwashed herds of the western world have never seemed to notice that."
Oh you forgot one AKA CIGARETTE SMOKE. Cigarette smoke accounts for more than half of all benzene exposure to humans. Also I like your "any reputable source" reference.... can't argue with that.... Who's brainwashed?
"(Side note: Coffee also has about 500 chemicals, 13 of which have been tested resulting in the discovery that 11 of them are deadly! But I have yet to see a poster/notice stateing the dangerous chemical constituents of coffee! Why is that????)"
Ehh, that's why they invented Decaffeinated coffee genius, and also if I'm drinking a coffee I don't make the 10 people around me drink it also. Also I would like to see a source on those numbers, they seem very suss.
Look smoker's just admit it. What you do IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH. Sit in your apartment with your tin foil hats, smoke into the mirror and tell yourself it's all lies, I don't care. But just don't do it around me and stop writing nonsense by vaguely referencing pro-smoking propaganda from a century ago. |
We've made it clear to steer of each other territories, cept fot the inconsiderate smokers. You guys have got your non-smoking zones, we have ours. So stay off our turf, you'll do fine.. |
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ProcrastiNation
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Oct 30, 2009 - 05:18 PM |
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Yeah it's all good and their are some considerate smokers out there.
Generally though the global trend is to reduce the smoking "territories" which I'm no doubt happy about. But really, would it be so hard for the poor smokers if they did ban smoking in bars and restaurants over here? I know that 10m walk outside can be pretty daunting sometimes but in the name of common decency it would be great if you could suck it up (pun intended) and make everyone else's lives a little more comfortable and NO DOUBT healthier by doing so. |
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Ah Beng
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Oct 30, 2009 - 06:11 PM |
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| ProcrastiNation wrote: |
| in the name of common decency it would be great if you could suck it up (pun intended) and make everyone else's lives a little more comfortable and NO DOUBT healthier by doing so. |
For all our sake, all industrialized countries need to reduce their carbon emissions of greenhouse gases at the expense of the world's economy, just so we could live healthier and perhaps longer...in the name of common decency. |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Oct 31, 2009 - 08:41 AM |
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| ProcrastiNation wrote: |
...Cigarette smoke accounts for more than half of all benzene exposure to humans......
Look smoker's just admit it. What you do IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH. |
Statements like this are the issue. Statements like this are the half-truths and media soundbytes that the general public falls for every day. It's human nature, we all fall for it, but it's irresponsible journalism, and unfortunatley the nature politics-speak by the politicians who say nothing more statements like this.
example: California wants you to spend another few billion dollars in taxes to reduce carbon output in cars by 50%! Holy molecular output Batman, a 50% reduction is huge! No. It is not. Car exhaust is already 98% cleaner than when the clean-up began 40 years ago. It's actually more when you consider that the average engine size is now half or less than what it was 40 years ago. Clean exhaust is not about %, it's about total output. Most people will happily pay this though because the idea of a 50% reduction sounds good.
"What you do IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH" - so is using perfume and drinking cola and putting shampoo in your hair walking down the street.
You might consider the idea that the anti-smoking campaign is worse for your mental health than smoking is for your physical health. |
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leidelaohu
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Oct 31, 2009 - 05:14 PM |
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| example: California wants you to spend another few billion dollars in taxes to reduce carbon output in cars by 50%! Holy molecular output Batman, a 50% reduction is huge! No. It is not. Car exhaust is already 98% cleaner than when the clean-up began 40 years ago. It's actually more when you consider that the average engine size is now half or less than what it was 40 years ago. Clean exhaust is not about %, it's about total output. Most people will happily pay this though because the idea of a 50% reduction sounds good. |
Speaking of quietly bypassing a few factors in the equation, there are a lot more cars out there today than there were 40 years ago, as well. Oops.
I wish they'd ban leaf blowers. They create more pollution than automobiles. Useless noisy-ass pieces of shit ... |
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Zak101
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Hmmmm. Smoking is completely out of the question at any restaurant or any pub in Australia, often see folks dashing out for a durrie. Even al-fresco places have special spots.
I'm a smoker, but won't do it in a car with my nipper on board.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/20/2718978.htm
Posted Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:42pm AEDT
A woman from Coffs Harbour has been convicted under new laws which make it an offence to smoke with a child in a car, but has escaped a fine.
The 31-year-old was caught by police in August smoking in a car in which her three-year-old child was also a passenger.
She is one of the first people to be charged under the state's tough new anti-smoking laws, which are aimed at protecting children from second-hand smoke.
The penalty for anyone caught smoking in a car with children [inside] is an-on-the spot fine of $250. ummm, 1,500 RMB.
Yesterday magistrate Judith Fleming convicted the woman of the offence but did not fine her.
The new anti-smoking laws came into force in New South Wales on July 1 [2009].
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In my mind she should have been fined, but now has a life-long conviction record (albeit minor).
I'd like to see a 1,500 kuai fine for the same offence here.
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Oct 31, 2009 - 07:57 PM |
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/\ makes me wonder about the differences between 'Police state', 'Communist', 'Copy cat' China and the 'Free', 'Liberal', 'Rational' West!
Skipped a couple repetitive posts. Here, have a ciggie!  |
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Ah Beng
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Gone are the days where smoking is considered fashionable, 70s, 80s, 90s never had a problem. Planes even provide you with your personal seat ashtray. Now, smoking seems to be discrimated in most cities, cept here and maybe japan..Smoking rooms located in airport needs better ventilation, especially bangkok airport, enclosed rooms, zero ventilation??!! WTH? Guess someone really messed up somewhere or trying to send us a message...
We need laws protecting smokers rights... |
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trousers
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Nov 03, 2009 - 10:42 PM |
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Why do you need 'better ventilation'? I thought smoke was what you wanted.... |
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leidelaohu
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Nov 03, 2009 - 11:55 PM |
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| Why do you need 'better ventilation'? I thought smoke was what you wanted.... |
Face it, even smokers don't like other people's crappy smoke  |
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My opinion with No smoking in school. I am against the smoking because of It will gives you nothing but a cancer or any disease. It bad impacts on the children so It must be ban on the every school. If It will in my hand then I ban on the Public place. |
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monalisalee
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My dear Mummy used to say, (many years ago) "If we were meant to smoke we would have a chimney in our heads".
Hmmm. |
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/\ you still hanging onto that? |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Nov 04, 2009 - 09:40 PM |
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Gone are the days where smoking is considered fashionable, 70s, 80s, 90s never had a problem. Planes even provide you with your personal seat ashtray. Now, smoking seems to be discrimated in most cities, cept here and maybe japan..Smoking rooms located in airport needs better ventilation, especially bangkok airport, enclosed rooms, zero ventilation??!! WTH? Guess someone really messed up somewhere or trying to send us a message...
We need laws protecting smokers rights... |
you forgot to mention the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Hmmmm. Smoking is completely out of the question at any restaurant or any pub in Australia, often see folks dashing out for a durrie. Even al-fresco places have special spots.
I'm a smoker, but won't do it in a car with my nipper on board.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/20/2718978.htm
Posted Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:42pm AEDT
A woman from Coffs Harbour has been convicted under new laws which make it an offence to smoke with a child in a car, but has escaped a fine.
The 31-year-old was caught by police in August smoking in a car in which her three-year-old child was also a passenger.
She is one of the first people to be charged under the state's tough new anti-smoking laws, which are aimed at protecting children from second-hand smoke.
The penalty for anyone caught smoking in a car with children [inside] is an-on-the spot fine of $250. ummm, 1,500 RMB.
Yesterday magistrate Judith Fleming convicted the woman of the offence but did not fine her.
The new anti-smoking laws came into force in New South Wales on July 1 [2009].
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In my mind she should have been fined, but now has a life-long conviction record (albeit minor).
I'd like to see a 1,500 kuai fine for the same offence here.
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regardless of people's OPINIONS on cigarette smoke, wake up and smell the facism. Everyone walks around today saying "oh, there will never be another Hitler, that would be impossible". That's exactly the time when that type tends to appear, once the public stops looking and caring. |
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Ah Beng
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| trousers wrote: |
| Why do you need 'better ventilation'? I thought smoke was what you wanted.... |
Face it, even smokers don't like other people's crappy smoke |
No kidding?? 14 people smoking and crammed in the bangkok int airport smoking room without smoke ventilation? Smoking corner tuck away in a miserable far away corner someplace.??!! Smokers being caged up??
Was in Chiangmai recently for the loy krathong festival, guess what? Smoking not allowed everywhere??!! Not even in hotel lobbiy lounge, pubs and restauarants! Thailand? Thought that would be the last place on earth to discrimate smoking. Times are chainging...Non-smokers, that's another haven for you. pls leave china alone..
You may gloat at us now, but lets be resonable, should we ban smoking altogether? Make it a smoke free world? So in the end, everybody disciminates everybody. Peace??!! BS!!
Bkk airport check in, they make you take off your belts, shoes, empty your lugguge's contents. you could be a terrorist, stern approach by the airport officials...how do you like that? Smoke in the toilet, fine 2000 baht??!!
That's abit too carried away...what's the next axis of evil on the agenda?? |
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jay_dee
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They don't take your lighters anymore at airports in the States, but don't provide any smoking rooms after the security check. Just don't dare try and bring a hand sanitizer if over 3oz! |
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Nov 05, 2009 - 07:57 AM |
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you know most of the places in the world you can't have sex in public place,But you can have it inside your home.
People are fined and/or jailed for it on the spot.
Fascism already taken over the world.
So why worry about smoking fine if done in public places.
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Ah Beng
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Discrimate smoking, race, ethnicity, age, religion, or gender...why stop there? |
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Ah Beng
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Nov 07, 2009 - 05:32 PM |
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Many states and communities have passed laws making workplaces, public places, restaurants, and bars smoke-free. But what difference does it make when second hand smoke is transfered to the streets and other outdoor public places. It just makes the problem worse.
It better the smokers smoke in designated pubs and restaurants than all over the place... least non-smokers can avoid those places and not caught off guard unexpectedly. |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Nov 07, 2009 - 10:05 PM |
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take the money spent on facist anti-smoking campaigns and give it to restaurants so they can install better ventillation systems, then everyone can focus on real issues. |
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clayrview
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I find this 'smoking doesn't cause cancer' nonsense amusing, blaming it on other factors like industrialization and pollution from cars. I've lived in northern Canada, where the air quality is absolutely perfect, and there is a massive population of smokers, and lo and behold, smokers-higher rates of cancer.
Funny that even in the native populations, where they don't even drive cars, do smoke, in a pristine environment, and the cancer levels among smokers are still significantly and obviously higher.
I personally don't care that smokers smoke, or develop cancer. And the impact of me sitting in a smoky pub for a year or two of my life is probably not going to significantly affect my health. I just don't enjoy my hair and clothes smelling nasty like a smoker, or that dingy feeling on my skin.
Admitting you enjoy it is fine. Everyone should suck as much pleasure out of our short lives as possible. But call it what it is, don't glorify it. In my short life I choose not look haggard, wrinkly and yellowed, but to each their own! |
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