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choir001
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I am so saddened to read today's Shanghai Daily. This story made me feel so bad for the little girl and her family.
Please everyone be very careful, I cannot imagine anyone doing this to a child - it is unforgivable.
I do hope the authorities are strict in their punishment. This little girl truly deserves justice.
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2009/200901/20090115/article_3 88144.htm
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monalisalee
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It never ceases to amaze me in China, when someone "loses it", because of a sometimes imaginary 'loss of face', are offended, or, whatever, they often resort to violence against someone who is indefencible.
Very sad. No doubt "the Nanny" will receive severe punishment, but has probably ruined the little girl's life. |
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RussianBear
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I'm NEVER hired locals for carry our baby. My long time research has identified huge differences between of Chinese and European in critical situations. In fact, Chinese do not "hold strike" and immediately go mad. CARRY!!!! |
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Andreas
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Jan 15, 2009 - 09:32 PM |
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Hey this is China. People are not really known for their mental stability here. And mind you this happens everywhere. Ok, a bit more wacko's here than average, but you find this sick stuff all over the world. |
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SHstormtrooper
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Jan 15, 2009 - 11:10 PM |
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| I'm NEVER hired locals for carry our baby. My long time research has identified huge differences between of Chinese and European in critical situations. In fact, Chinese do not "hold strike" and immediately go mad. CARRY!!!! |
I think you'll find that there's many cases similar to this that do happen outside China. I have heard of news in America where a British nanny beat a baby to death and then went to jail which then led to deportation. This thing was worldwide news. |
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RussianBear
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Jan 15, 2009 - 11:24 PM |
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No. My research basic of long time business and tens of thousands of customers in the World. Chinese customers are MUCH MORE NERVOUS. It is not depend were they are living. |
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MarkDow
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Jan 15, 2009 - 11:32 PM |
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That is pretty brutal though so I dont think this is just a similar case. I agree that there are other cases, but please....look at the way she tried to kill this baby over a misunderstanding...a chopping block with a butcher knife...this is one of the most disturbing stories within any society. |
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RussianBear
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MarkDow
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Jan 15, 2009 - 11:52 PM |
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Agreed this is disturbing but this guy "had a marble loose" in his brain. The nanny was sane and acted over a disagreement which makes me look at why people tend to think violence/cruelty cure their immediate problem. |
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preacher
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Jan 15, 2009 - 11:55 PM |
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| I think you'll find that there's many cases similar to this that do happen outside China. I have heard of news in America where a British nanny beat a baby to death and then went to jail which then led to deportation. This thing was worldwide news. |
I believe you're referring to the Louise Woodward case... I was just a kid myself when that was going on, but remember it pretty vividly as I grew up near Boston. The whole thing was pretty big news, but I believe she got off in the end... |
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RussianBear
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I'm know one case that happened in Guangzhou:
Once a thief on an bus stop was beaten after attempt to stole belongings from locals. He runned and called a gang of thief's. They come, catch same locals.. and .. cut off his hands and feet.
Here a question.. were also you seen same way of problems solving ? |
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Shangstar
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Jan 16, 2009 - 12:25 AM |
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yes, isn't only China where this kind of thing happens. This happens all around the world, and it is actually very rare everywhere, including China, hence it ends up in newspapers when it does happen. Remember Louise Woodward? Also, just type in "nanny" and "murder" in google and see what you get. Dreadful thing to happen to any one, especially children. Do however accept, losing face does tend to make people lose their rag in this part of the world. |
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MarkDow
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Jan 16, 2009 - 12:38 AM |
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| Shangstar wrote: |
| yes, isn't only China where this kind of thing happens. This happens all around the world, and it is actually very rare everywhere, including China, hence it ends up in newspapers when it does happen. Remember Louise Woodward? Also, just type in "nanny" and "murder" in google and see what you get. Dreadful thing to happen to any one, especially children. Do however accept, losing face does tend to make people lose their rag in this part of the world. |
Losing face or a mutual misunderstang that happened...whatever it is it does not answer my question about violence as the initially reaction. Why so? |
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Jan 16, 2009 - 12:54 AM |
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| SHstormtrooper wrote: |
| I think you'll find that there's many cases similar to this that do happen outside China. I have heard of news in America where a British nanny beat a baby to death and then went to jail which then led to deportation. This thing was worldwide news. |
I believe you're referring to the Louise Woodward case... I was just a kid myself when that was going on, but remember it pretty vividly as I grew up near Boston. The whole thing was pretty big news, but I believe she got off in the end... |
In defense of a fellow Brit, the conclusive scientific evidence used at the time to gain prosecution was subsequently proven to be unreliable and death could actually have been caused by an old injury rather than the nanny shaking the child to death. The Doctor who released this information was the same guy who was witness for the prosecution at the original trial.
It was also big news in the UK at the time as it was seen and probably proved over time as a serious miscarriage of justice. |
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monalisalee
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Sorry Andreas, but TIC cannot be an excuse for bad, (or much) worse behaviour, and yes, I agree, of course this sort of stuff happens all over the World, but seems to me after quite a few years here, I have read SO many times of murderous retaliation being taken out on family members, because of a very minor infraction. Whole families butchered, because someone was slightly angry . Jeez. I know different culture, but is this right. Dont think so.
The psche needs to change. |
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helloasia
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OMG. Such behavior from an ayi is unexcusable! I told the story to my ayi and after the initial shock, she suggested that the ayi must have been a live-in ayi who didn't have family or anywhere else to stay in Shanghai. Still doesn't explain the outburst though. I mean, what good would come out of such behavior? Talk about an even bigger loss of face for the ayi when she gets sent to jail! I trust she will be severely punished by the system. |
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greenmark
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Jan 16, 2009 - 09:00 AM |
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Remember all that that a story like this gets into the news because it is unusual. If this thing happened all the time it wouldn't be news. |
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Georgie
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There was an incident last year in china where a grandfather who was looking after his baby granddaughter placed her on the train tracks, the train came and amputated her legs. He did it because she was a girl and her birth had brought shame on the family. So many disturbing incidents involving children in this part of the world. Very very sad. |
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seanryan471
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^ Filing that post under the category of "Strong to Quite Strong". |
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angelus512
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Jan 17, 2009 - 04:54 PM |
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Well I guess they've got us to look after the women then. We appreciate them. On the note of the original topic.......holy SH*T god damn i wouldn't report the Ayi to the cops I'd just finish her off myself...infact I'm mildly surprised that the family didn't gut the ayi, I would. |
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RussianBear
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| The most shocking thing is everyone's surprise. This is a culture that CONTINUES to practice female infanticide to carry on family "name". Obstetric ultrasounds are forbidden by law to reveal the sex of fetus' during the ultrasound to prevent mass self-induced abortions due to sex. Why are orphanages filled with healthy female girls that the rest of the world is anxious to bring home? These Chinese, under their outward appearance of civility and passivity are amoral, selfish animals. |
That is morality ? Code of conduct which is held to be authoritative in matters of right and wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality
Chinese are 19.6% of world population, Asian are 57.1% of total population.
Americans - 4% from total population.
So, i guess , Asian can to change COMMON MORALITY simply because of HUGE PART of own population, right ?
So that is amorality ? Not that , but where . |
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Andreas
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Jan 17, 2009 - 05:33 PM |
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Sorry Andreas, but TIC cannot be an excuse for bad, (or much) worse behaviour, and yes, I agree, of course this sort of stuff happens all over the World, but seems to me after quite a few years here, I have read SO many times of murderous retaliation being taken out on family members, because of a very minor infraction. Whole families butchered, because someone was slightly angry . Jeez. I know different culture, but is this right. Dont think so.
The psche needs to change. |
No it should never be an excuse. And the main problem here is that most people just don't know how to interact with other people in a normal way. You see that in daily life, in traffic etc.
Something in the mindset here is totally screwed up. |
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Andreas
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Jan 17, 2009 - 05:35 PM |
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| The most shocking thing is everyone's surprise. This is a culture that CONTINUES to practice female infanticide to carry on family "name". Obstetric ultrasounds are forbidden by law to reveal the sex of fetus' during the ultrasound to prevent mass self-induced abortions due to sex. Why are orphanages filled with healthy female girls that the rest of the world is anxious to bring home? These Chinese, under their outward appearance of civility and passivity are amoral, selfish animals. |
Agree, something is very very wrong with this society. By any standard. |
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Zak101
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Better watch my step. Mother-in-Law, Father-in-Law (living here in the apartment) and wife are all from Anhui.
Might have to hide the kitchen chopper. They seem pretty docile but I'm very careful about my mouth, just in case.
Saw 2 violent fist fights with knives as well in Anhui in just 10 days, CNY '04 but only 3 in 6 years here in Suzhuo. Those Anhui folks tend to arc up first, and you'd better get out of the way for your own good.
One was in a roadside restaurant, and Mrs Zak and I were cornered.
I promptly dragged tables to form a barrier around us. Wasn't prepared to play hero, let them sort it out themselves until the Police arrive with batons. And they did.
Had a chair at the ready if they got too close with the slashing and yelling.
It was pretty hairy.
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