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TravelingMan
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June 11, 2005 - 07:38 PM |
 
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Hello, Coming to Shanghai soon. How much do you tip for services? |
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The_Shanghai_Stinker
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Filip
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June 11, 2005 - 10:32 PM |
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| Post subject: Re: Tipping customs in Shanghai |
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| Hello, Coming to Shanghai soon. How much do you tip for services? |
In shanghai you should calculate between 10 and 15%. That's the amount you pay less then you are supposed to. a chinese tip! |
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pparsons
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Joined: Jan 22, 2005
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June 11, 2005 - 10:45 PM |
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The tip is included in the price. Don't start this ridiculous custom in China! |
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bleucheese
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June 12, 2005 - 07:56 AM |
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If the level of service is extra ordinary or an individual has gone over and beyond whats his or her duties were (ex: a cab driver who helps me lug groceries...a bartender who always remembers my name, face, poison, and pours generously...) I tip.
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Don't start this ridiculous custom in China! |
Its already started. Many of the top Western restaurants in Shanghai automatically include a service charge to your bill... which i find quite tacky and unreasonable as many of said restaurants have poor service. More importantly, I have doubts that my server at T8 actually receives that 15%.
But I dont think the notion of tipping is "ridiculous". Having worked in the service industry for many years, I always appreciated the acknowledgement that my level of service was far more than adequate. |
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pparsons
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June 12, 2005 - 08:34 AM |
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| bleucheese wrote: |
| But I dont think the notion of tipping is "ridiculous". Having worked in the service industry for many years, I always appreciated the acknowledgement that my level of service was far more than adequate. |
Even in industries outside the service industry, people may do their job correctly and expertly, perhaps even doing a little extra, but we don't see them putting their hand out to their customers expecting a tip.
One of the problems with tipping is that it bgins to substitute for an employer's responsibility to pay a fair salary for the job. Then the employee start having to rely on tips and expects a tip for ordinary service. Evenutally, if you don't tip an employee, you get no service (like in the USA)!
If tipping is required for an employee to make an adequate salary, then I favour increasing prices by, say 15% and increasing salaries by the same amount. Because salaries only make up a portion of the costs of running the business, the business would give up all the extra money in salaries. Everybody wins, including the hapless consumer, who can see some transparency in the prices and can make informed choices. |
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Benoist_Shanghai
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June 12, 2005 - 08:37 AM |
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Bleucheese, the notion of tipping is NOT rididiculous, as long as it is part of a consistent invoicing.
"Service" (or lack of) included in prices (like in China) => no tips
No service at all included in prices => tips.
But I find the tries to combine "imposed" service fee+tipping rather annoying.
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bleucheese
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Joined: Aug 01, 2003
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June 13, 2005 - 09:25 AM |
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Without rehashing the old arguments as to whether tippers are "ruining it for everyone else" (do a search, you should find the thread), I still will tip that anyone who goes above and beyond their duties and/or for exceptional service.
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| Even in industries outside the service industry, people may do their job correctly and expertly, perhaps even doing a little extra, but we don't see them putting their hand out to their customers expecting a tip. |
Well I doubt they would refuse one. And if my dry cleaner one day decided to deliver my clothes on a whim or do some free tailoring, youd bet I would be tipping.
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| One of the problems with tipping is that it bgins to substitute for an employer's responsibility to pay a fair salary for the job. Then the employee start having to rely on tips and expects a tip for ordinary service. Evenutally, if you don't tip an employee, you get no service (like in the USA)! |
I dont know how it works here but in the US, no restaurant pays a living wage. In fact, the majority of restaurants I worked in dont pay the servers anything- they work solely for tips. I actually prefer this type of arrangement.
And if you dont tip, you DO get service in the USA. But I guarantee you the server will embarrass you by asking what your problem is.
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| If tipping is required for an employee to make an adequate salary, then I favour increasing prices by, say 15% and increasing salaries by the same amount. Because salaries only make up a portion of the costs of running the business, the business would give up all the extra money in salaries. |
I strongly disagree. Where is the incentive for the server to do an exceptional job? Where is the incentive to improve? I prefer the establishments to pay them nothing and having them hustle to make a living. They go out of their way, they (deservedly) get a big tip. If theyre lazy and sloppy, they lose their rent money. Thats a good system. Thats a fair system. Thats capitalism. |
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