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Sh_Boy
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Hi All,
I am in talks with a foreign company based in shanghai to work as a Software Quality Assurance Engineer.
I am fluent in several Europeans languages and have one year experience in the field.
Currently we are talking about the salary could anyone advise me regarding my profile on how much an expat can get payed for here? |
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shanghaiceltic
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Nov 02, 2007 - 06:24 AM |
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Large or small company?
How many people?
One year experience? Are you more or less straight from Uni?
Not enough info to make a judgement.
You would certainly not get an expat's equivalent, that is why the company is hiring locally. |
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One_Brick_Shy
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Nov 02, 2007 - 06:34 AM |
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Post your resume and all the SH pay gurus will give you their opinions...  |
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sinned69
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Nov 02, 2007 - 08:08 AM |
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these requests are flooding in thick and fast... so here's a question...
is your ball of string like more than 23 metres... or a super 42 metres... if its that real jumbo bulk buy length more than 60 metres... surely you know it makes all the difference in the world...
on other words... try reading posts here in the forum about salary questions... it'll give you some clues... then work out how long your piece of string is...
addit... speaking several European languages would be a little helpful... but more so in Europe, speaking Putonghua would be so much more useful and add another 20 metres to that ball
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me_myself_&_i
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Nov 02, 2007 - 08:45 AM |
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you would be in marketing or in the sales department speaking different europe language could help you if you also speak mandarin the company would save money on translator to do business (same like my friends speaks 5 europe languages and also read and write chinese his company is happy he can deal himself with all the companies in europe)
but if you are in the quality department that will not help you a lot.
so many people on this forum already asked about that about software related wages as sinned mentionned check the posts about it
you also have little experience
are you single/married where do you plan on living what is your life style? so many questions need to be answered
your best bet is check the posts as mentionned before
good luck |
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Sh_Boy
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Nov 02, 2007 - 10:53 PM |
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| shanghaiceltic wrote: |
Large or small company?
How many people?
One year experience? Are you more or less straight from Uni?
Not enough info to make a judgement.
You would certainly not get an expat's equivalent, that is why the company is hiring locally. |
1) The company is more or less large: about 10000 people
2) Yes I am recent graduate
3) how much you think I can get if hired as "local"? |
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kao
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Nov 03, 2007 - 01:11 AM |
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If you're a recent grad with one year of experience, you should be focused more on the career development opportunities than the salary, which is going to be pithy compared to five years down the road anyway. Don't over-think it. |
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underh20
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Joined: Sep 27, 2006
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Nov 03, 2007 - 09:49 AM |
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| Sh_Boy wrote: |
| shanghaiceltic wrote: |
Large or small company?
How many people?
One year experience? Are you more or less straight from Uni?
Not enough info to make a judgement.
You would certainly not get an expat's equivalent, that is why the company is hiring locally. |
1) The company is more or less large: about 10000 people
2) Yes I am recent graduate
3) how much you think I can get if hired as "local"? |
New hires at major MNCs get about 7,000 RMB. |
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leidelaohu
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Nov 03, 2007 - 11:21 AM |
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| underh20 wrote: |
| New hires at major MNCs get about 7,000 RMB. |
New hires at minor MNC's get about 3,000 - 4,000 rmb. Want an idea of reality, not the hogwash ? Check the Shexpat jobs listings. Companies come to China for cheap. The rest is mostly bs. |
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Michael
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Nov 03, 2007 - 11:33 AM |
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IT is a hot area and there is a shortage of qualified, experienced staff to fill the demand. if you take job in a good company at local rate and build up some language skills and credentials, you will move up and your pay could grow pretty quickly over a few years. |
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leidelaohu
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Nov 03, 2007 - 11:43 AM |
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| Michael wrote: |
| IT is a hot area and there is a shortage of qualified, experienced staff to fill the demand. if you take job in a good company at local rate and build up some language skills and credentials, you will move up and your pay could grow pretty quickly over a few years. |
Yeah, right. Michael, hate to take issue with you but that's nonsense. No local person here gets paid for shit. The peasants who sell off granny's gravesite to put up a pollution disseminator make a bundle and the people who cheat on materials (lead-based paint and so on) make a bundle but regular workers ? Face facts. Companies come here to avoid paying anyone. The only ones making anything substantial are (in general) overpaid, undertalented "expats." It's nineteenth-century America multiplied by two. Look at your own job listings and tell me that software qa gets paid worth a poop. One would have to be a fool to come here for career advancement. All you'll learn here is patience, for putting up with shysters, crooks and imbeciles.
And IT ? Read some of the posts on your own site. These people wouldn't know a talented IT person if he rose up out of the swamp and ate them. Nor would they pay for one. They'd rather let everyone in their offices spend all their time playing QQ and downloading garbage from Baidu. They can't even run their own mail or web servers, wouldn't know ftp from Frank Zappa, and are generally as clueless as a person can get and still remember to breathe. Face facts. People say IT is a hot field, but they certainly won't pay for it. OP should stay where someone has more than a quarter of a functioning brain unless he wants to play with the girls.
Oh. Looks like sh_boy is a local citizen. Sorry, shang-guy. Your country decided to sell its soul to look "developed" so you can expect to be the slave of some cheapskate mercenary foreign company. China could have continued to build its own infrastructure with fair wages for its own citizens but chose the quick "capitalist" way instead. Cheat the foreigners isn't going to work so well either because none of you are really learning anything except how to cheat better. So you get to be paid pennies while working for foreigner owners. Ain't that grand ? Should have stayed on the Mao road, my friend. Tortoise beats hare. |
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yinlin
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yinlin
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My job duty is working like a research/ consulting/ event organizer which require to do some reseach for our clients in different sectors of course including IT area on various issues/ challenges they are facing in APAC especially China.
When i was still an employee to a british company, i was put the responsibilities to run a team in investigating the major concerns for IT directors/ CIO in China and how our clients could assist them in upgrading the necessary infrastructure. Of course, i understand the task would be seemingly impossible if we have without using the name of our client which is a major major player in software industry.
The feedbacks we received were generally quite astonishing to us as most of the IT director/ CIO in China would tell us they are not decision maker but their job only implement their functions according to the instruction/ order from HQ back home whenever they get requested/ advised to do some neccesary infrastructure upgrading. It helps our clients in some sense to change their business strategies.
I believe there are senior IT directors here reading the post and i hope somebody could correct me now the time has changed and you have more decision power or budget hence creating business opportunity for my firm. |
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underh20
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Nov 03, 2007 - 03:40 PM |
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| leidelaohu wrote: |
| Michael wrote: |
| IT is a hot area and there is a shortage of qualified, experienced staff to fill the demand. if you take job in a good company at local rate and build up some language skills and credentials, you will move up and your pay could grow pretty quickly over a few years. |
Yeah, right. Michael, hate to take issue with you but that's nonsense. No local person here gets paid for shit. The peasants who sell off granny's gravesite to put up a pollution disseminator make a bundle and the people who cheat on materials (lead-based paint and so on) make a bundle but regular workers ? Face facts. Companies come here to avoid paying anyone. The only ones making anything substantial are (in general) overpaid, undertalented "expats." It's nineteenth-century America multiplied by two. Look at your own job listings and tell me that software qa gets paid worth a poop. One would have to be a fool to come here for career advancement. All you'll learn here is patience, for putting up with shysters, crooks and imbeciles.
And IT ? Read some of the posts on your own site. These people wouldn't know a talented IT person if he rose up out of the swamp and ate them. Nor would they pay for one. They'd rather let everyone in their offices spend all their time playing QQ and downloading garbage from Baidu. They can't even run their own mail or web servers, wouldn't know ftp from Frank Zappa, and are generally as clueless as a person can get and still remember to breathe. Face facts. People say IT is a hot field, but they certainly won't pay for it. OP should stay where someone has more than a quarter of a functioning brain unless he wants to play with the girls.
Oh. Looks like sh_boy is a local citizen. Sorry, shang-guy. Your country decided to sell its soul to look "developed" so you can expect to be the slave of some cheapskate mercenary foreign company. China could have continued to build its own infrastructure with fair wages for its own citizens but chose the quick "capitalist" way instead. Cheat the foreigners isn't going to work so well either because none of you are really learning anything except how to cheat better. So you get to be paid pennies while working for foreigner owners. Ain't that grand ? Should have stayed on the Mao road, my friend. Tortoise beats hare. |
Tiger,
You forgot to mention supply & demand.
China turns out about a hundred thousand IT "experts" a year and they get paid a "hefty" starting salary of about 3 - 4k RMB. OP, as a local hire, is worth that much -- regardless of the fact that he left China to study and now wants to return.
Another prime example of local kid suckered into studying abroad because when he returns he'll be in hot demand and get paid those big $$$? |
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DragonAss
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Nov 03, 2007 - 03:52 PM |
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my local village manager makes over RMB 1millions a year... |
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underh20
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Nov 03, 2007 - 04:02 PM |
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Corruption pays.  |
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DragonAss
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Nov 03, 2007 - 04:09 PM |
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that excluded corruption |
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underh20
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Nov 03, 2007 - 04:10 PM |
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WTF are you talking about? What planet is your village on? |
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yinlin
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BONNIE
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Nov 04, 2007 - 01:52 PM |
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Good to see you back underh20 - the site needs the reality check ! |
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Sh_Boy
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Nov 04, 2007 - 03:49 PM |
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Hi,
Thank you all for your posting.
If I follow someof your advises, it's not worth considering for a gradaute to come here unless either sent here by a foreign company or coming here with "big string size"? |
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underh20
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Nov 04, 2007 - 03:54 PM |
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It depends on your nationality. Judging by how you use English, I'd say you wasted your parents' money by going abroad to study.
Good luck. |
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leidelaohu
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Nov 04, 2007 - 03:56 PM |
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| If I follow someof your advises, it's not worth considering for a gradaute to come here unless either sent here by a foreign company or coming here with "big string size"? |
To be fair, those are our opinions. And opinions are like something else 
Look through the ads. Shanghai Expat has ads right here. Look thru the other sites, too. Don't listen to what these people say, look at the hard cold numbers of what they are willing to pay. Bottom Line, as they used to say, is that these companies are lying sacks of shit. |
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DragonAss
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Nov 04, 2007 - 07:04 PM |
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| WTF are you talking about? What planet is your village on? |
No need to come from other planet, we're still in china. You think, being in the village people cant get rich. Well, our chinese fella director owns Benz S500 and that's only a bit of the pool... that's reality check...
Word of wisdom, my boss told me not to envy others 
My village is whereever I look around, there're still paddyfield, people dont necessarily take shower more than twice a week, they may brush/may not depends on their state of mind for the day, whenever I walk around I must be careful not to step on goats' poo, the odour of buffalo is thick on the air, they got ducks, chickens, dogs all running around wildly... luckily no pig, that could be way too gross to handle...
That's my village... |
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underh20
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Nov 04, 2007 - 07:17 PM |
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| DragonAss wrote: |
| underh20 wrote: |
| WTF are you talking about? What planet is your village on? |
No need to come from other planet, we're still in china. You think, being in the village people cant get rich. Well, our chinese fella director owns Benz S500 and that's only a bit of the pool... that's reality check...
Word of wisdom, my boss told me not to envy others
My village is whereever I look around, there're still paddyfield, people dont necessarily take shower more than twice a week, they may brush/may not depends on their state of mind for the day, whenever I walk around I must be careful not to step on goats' poo, the odour of buffalo is thick on the air, they got ducks, chickens, dogs all running around wildly... luckily no pig, that could be way too gross to handle...
That's my village... |
You are either delusional or have a severe IQ problem. No village mayor in China has a salary of 1 million RMB. Your claim is laughable. |
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