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hc
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Haha. Very well done. This Amorim chap is very sharp, very intelligent guy.
Not surprising the pathetic reaction of the other part.
'Goebbels' reference rocks WTO talks, US angry at Brazil
The Associated Press
Saturday, July 19, 2008
GENEVA: Some pre-negotiation jabbing turned into a potentially damaging diplomatic incident Saturday when Brazil's foreign minister said rich countries' deception in trade talks reminded him of tactics used by Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels.
His comments drew a sharp rebuke from the United States, whose chief trade negotiator, Susan Schwab, is the daughter of Jewish Holocaust survivors. Her spokesman described the reference to Goebbels as "incredibly wrong."
The controversy threatens to overshadow the importance of next week's last-ditch effort to save seven years of frustrating talks on a new global trade pact that aims to alleviate poverty around the world.
The so-called Doha trade round is already teetering on the brink of collapse.
"Excuse me for quoting the author," Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim told reporters at the World Trade Organization, where top negotiators from over two dozen countries are expected Monday for the official start of the talks.
Amorim said the U.S., Europe and other wealthy economies have misrepresented the talks launched in Qatar's capital in 2001 so often that public perception has become totally warped.
"Goebbels used to say if you repeat a lie several times it becomes a truth," said Amorim, whose country has co-led with India a broad coalition of developing countries at the WTO talks.
Later, his spokesman qualified the remarks and apologized to Schwab.
The talks have failed repeatedly with rich and poor countries at an impasse over farm and manufacturing trade. Poorer nations have demanded cuts in the rich-world farm tariffs and subsidies they say hinders Third World development. In exchange, rich countries have insisted on better market access in developing countries for their manufacturers and service providers.
Amorim implied that rich countries were employing this tactic in describing the agricultural concessions they claim they are willing to make, while criticizing poorer countries for refusing to liberalize their industrial markets.
"I am reminded of Goebbels," he said.
Sean Spicer, spokesman for the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, said he was horrified by the "personal venom" of Amorim's words.
"We came here to Geneva to negotiate on substance," Spicer told The Associated Press. "For him to make remarks like this is so incredibly wrong. They are insulting."
Spicer said it was shocking that Amorim would resort to such rhetoric considering the United States' relationship with Brazil. Even though the two have bickered in trade talks, Spicer noted that Schwab visited Amorim to soothe tensions immediately after negotiations collapsed in acrimony in 2006.
"We've always made a point of treating Brazil with respect, of giving them the chance to act as the leaders they can be," Spicer said.
In an interview with the AP, Amorim's spokesman Ricardo Neiva Tavares said the minister "regrets if Susan Schwab or anyone else was upset by his comments on a historical fact. He certainly did not intend to hurt anyone's feelings, which he deeply respects."
Tavares said Amorim's "only intention was to make the point that sometimes false versions repeated enough may overcome fact, and propaganda may supplant truth."
In talks guided so much by confidence between key negotiations, the early animosity could augur poorly for the Doha trade round, which is seen as a last chance for concluding it before U.S. President George W. Bush leaves office.
Bush has made a successful Doha deal a key part of his trade agenda, but has struggled with a skeptical U.S. Congress and farm lobbies to make concessions to poorer countries. Congress recently overrode Bush's veto of a new, five-year U.S. farm bill worth nearly US$300 billion that was seen as a further hurdle to a global trade pact.
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Associated Press writer Eliane Engeler contributed to this report.
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hc
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July 22, 2008 - 01:23 PM |
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I hope the US does not put an important ban on Brazilian products. That would be devastating. Where would we get nuts from?  |
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hc
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July 22, 2008 - 01:27 PM |
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July 22, 2008 - 01:32 PM |
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Exactly. Brazil is a third world country. No one cares what is their main export, except for a Brazilian. |
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hc
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July 22, 2008 - 01:47 PM |
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Magnolia
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July 22, 2008 - 01:57 PM |
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sorry hc... his comments were uncouth and displayed a lack of discretion, let alone political savy.
it happens all the time... but two wrongs don't make a right. |
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hc
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July 22, 2008 - 02:01 PM |
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8lrr8
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July 22, 2008 - 02:22 PM |
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| Actually you would be surprised about what is the biggest US import from Brazil. |
crude oil? |
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July 22, 2008 - 02:28 PM |
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In the next anti-US thread learn how Brazil won WWII by sending a few troops at the end of the war. |
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hammerforlife
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July 22, 2008 - 02:46 PM |
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| learn how Brazil won WWII by sending a few troops at the end of the war. |
No no that was the US. |
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Cambronne
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The guy must be a Nazi. The new Ahmadinejad or the Brazilian Le Pen. I dont think he can never get a visa to France, where Holocaust denial is a crime. |
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Magnolia
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July 22, 2008 - 02:58 PM |
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and without them?
mein gott |
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Magnolia
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July 22, 2008 - 03:01 PM |
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| The guy must be a Nazi. The new Ahmadinejad or the Brazilian Le Pen. I dont think he can never get a visa to France, where Holocaust denial is a crime. |
just try acquiring citizenship in france while wearing niqab. |
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hc
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July 22, 2008 - 05:11 PM |
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| Actually you would be surprised about what is the biggest US import from Brazil. |
crude oil? |
Jesus, disappointing.
We are not even self-sufficient in oil.
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I just checked the stats and as of 2007 you are right, it was crude.
For the past 10 years or so the second item in the list was the biggest
product though.
As for kuntcheckmymailnpow: US had bases in Natal, Brazil pretty early in the war.
Further, Brazil barely had an army before 43. Even if we wanted we wouldnt be able to send troops.
Last but not least: the Brazilians that fought under Patton were only 4 of foreign divisions that got a presidential citation in the whole war. They fought hard, and they fought well.
Ignorant hillbilly, go back to the trailer park  |
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July 22, 2008 - 05:44 PM |
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| hc wrote: |
| Actually you would be surprised about what is the biggest US import from Brazil. |
crude oil? |
Jesus, disappointing.
We are not even self-sufficient in oil.
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I just checked the stats and as of 2007 you are right, it was crude.
For the past 10 years or so the second item in the list was the biggest
product though.
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open mouth, insert foot. |
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tomnoddy_uk
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July 22, 2008 - 05:54 PM |
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what did you think it was hc? |
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p1atl10
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July 22, 2008 - 06:00 PM |
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I am hoping it is hot Brazilian chicks!
Free Sulabia Baby! |
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hc
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July 22, 2008 - 06:03 PM |
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| what did you think it was hc? |
For the past 10 years or so the biggest product Brazil exported was jets.
Name of the company is Embraer.
Yes kuntcheckmailnow, next time you take a plane to the little Alabama barn your stepfather rapes you in, chances are you will be flying on a Brazilian jet.
It looks like Petrobras, the national oil company is doing a fine job though of exporting more crude as they discover more of it offshore. This happened in the past 3 years while I was away from the country so couldnt follow it that closely. Good news tho.
Also looks like the US might be spreading its risks more as Venezuela starts being less of a reliable option. Considering the lead time from Brazil to the US compared to say West Africa it would make sense to divert part of the demand previously supplied by Venezuela to Brazil, although as far as I know Brazilian oil has high sulfur i.e. more expensive to process. |
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July 22, 2008 - 06:24 PM |
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Must be a big company. Never heard of them. |
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hc
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July 22, 2008 - 06:50 PM |
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Without google who would know the largest exports of Zimbabwe, Solomon Islands or Brazil?
And who would care? |
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