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Paralympics come to Beijing but little to celebrate for disabled Chinese
The 'deficient and useless’, as they were described in the Mao era, still face widespread discrimination.
By David Eimer in Beijing
Last Updated: 12:54AM BST 31 Aug 2008
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Zhang Li Xin will compete for China in the 400m wheelchair race at the Beijing Paralympics: Paralympics insult China's disabled
Zhang Li Xin will compete for China in the 400m wheelchair race at the Paralympics. Many of his 83 million disabled compatriots beg because it is so difficult for them to find work Photo: AP
Jin Jing passes the flame to the president of the Beijing Organizing Committee for the Games, as Chinese handicapped artist Jiang Xintian holds the torch with sacred flame of the Beijing 2008 Paralympic Games
The flame is passed to the president of the Beijing Organizing Committee, as Chinese handicapped artist Jiang Xintian [right] holds the torch with sacred flame Photo: AFP/GETTY
People walk pass banners showing the Paralympics logo in Beijing
People walk pass banners showing the Paralympics logo in Beijing Photo: EPA
Banners and bunting for the Paralympics have replaced those of the Olympics on Beijing's streets, and the first of the 4,200 disabled athletes who will compete in the Games have started arriving.
Yet with less than a week to go before they open, China's vast and growing army of disabled citizens has little cause to celebrate.
Hosting the Paralympics has been talked up as an opportunity to challenge the deep-seated prejudice which the disabled face in China, just as the Games themselves were supposed to spur China to improve its dismal human rights record.
Yet in May, an official guide for Olympic volunteers characterised the disabled as "stubborn and controlling" and "unsocial", and last week Li Caimao, the director of the city of Beijing's Disabled Person's Affairs Committee – himself a polio victim – admitted that "there is still discrimination".
For years, disabled people were prevented from attending university, because all Chinese had to pass a medical examination before being allowed to take the college entrance exam. "I was lucky because I was able to attend a normal school. But when I graduated I had to rely on a friendly doctor, otherwise I wouldn't have passed the medical," said Gao Shan, who has been visually impaired since birth.
Officials insist that barrier has now been removed, but the attitudes remain. And it is not just education that China's estimated 83 million disabled have difficulty accessing: jobs and healthcare are also in short supply.
With 12 million blind people, China has the largest blind population in the world. But for most, their only option is to work in the many blind massage parlours that dot China's cities. "The biggest problem disabled people in China have is that they don't have the same opportunities as able-bodied people," said Mr Gao.
Their most visible presence is normally on the streets of Chinese cities. In Beijing, disabled beggars, some of them children, congregate near tourist hotspots like T1annamun Square. But their desperate existence is at odds with the image of the modern, developed China the authorities wanted the world to see during the Olympics, so they were cleared from the capital's streets before the Games.
As a result, even though more than 6 per cent of China's population has some sort of disability, over the last few weeks they have been all but invisible in Beijing.
Xie Yan knows what it is like to be looked down on by society. The strongly-built, 6ft 1in Beijing resident had little understanding of the problems the disabled faced until he was 27, when he was diagnosed with bone cancer and his left leg was amputated above the knee. Now, the former basketball player has a prosthetic leg and gets around on crutches.
"At first, I didn't want to go outside and spent almost all my time in my apartment alone, because whenever I went downstairs the people in my building looked at me as if I was strange, or they tried to avoid me altogether," said Mr Xie. "I lost almost all communication with the outside world. Then one day, I realised I had to get out and start living again."
In March 2006, the 34 year-old joined forces with Mr Gao to found 1+1, an organisation that produces a weekly radio show on disability issues that is broadcast across China. Operating out of a tower block in unfashionable south Beijing, the presenters and producers are all blind or visually impaired. They encounter prejudice daily. "I've gone up to people in the street to interview them and when they've seen that I'm disabled they've walked away," said Mr Gao.
Until recently, the Chinese used the phrase "can fei", meaning deficient and useless, to describe the disabled. The pejorative term dates back to the 1950s and the Mao Tse-tung era, when the communist party was determined to project an image of a healthy, strong population. Forced sterilisation of the disabled was common, while marriages between disabled people were forbidden.
Some 75 per cent of disabled people live in rural areas, where prejudice against them is especially strong. "It would have been impossible for me to start this radio station in my hometown," said Mr Gao, who comes from a small town in southern Fujian Province. "I think there's a big gap in understanding between the cities and the countryside. We're still a largely agricultural society and disabled people are always going to be discriminated against in farming areas."
Emily Oelrich, 20, a student from Northampton who recently spent three weeks on a clandestine Christian mission trip to China, said: "It is a very hard country for the disabled people we were working with, as false impressions mean many people believe that disfigurement is a sign of bad luck which can be infectious.
"Missionaries described to us how when they first began their work, the people would shun them and not want to be touched out of a deep seated shame. Until recently people with leprosy would be banished to government compounds and in more remote areas people with that disease still take themselves away from their families to live with other sufferers, fearing that otherwise they will infect their relations."
China topped the medals table at the Athens Paralympics, with Britain a distant second, and is fielding a team of 332 athletes next weekend - a team which it hopes will once again win more golds than that of any other country. But there is little sign so far that the Chinese public will embrace them in the way they embraced their Olympic heroes. Despite pricing even the most expensive tickets at just 80 Yuan (£6), so far less than one third of the 1.66 million Paralympic tickets available have been sold. |
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What a piece of crap. So its all because of the Bad Red Commies again? Pathetic. Their only failure is not having been able to wipe out China's backwards confucean-buddhist culture. Oh wait a minute, our Western media are all telling us that Confucianism and Buddhism are good! I dont understand... |
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underh20
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Yeah, being disabled in China is like living in heaven. 
FL, SHexpats #1 Fucktard.
RawBitch a close second. |
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Cambronne
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Did I ever say that? But blaming handicapped begging on the communists is a bit too much, isnt it? Knowing this is a confucean tradition, run by gangsters, and if the government wanted to clamp down on them it would be immediate outrage in all the international media. |
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The issue is that the government just doesn't give a flying fuck about the disabled. Hell, they barely care about those without disabilities -- except for themselves. They care about themselves very much.
I don't think it's an issue of Communism. It's an issue of third-world thieves in power. |
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Amerikkka love the disabled SO MUCH that 1 out of every 5 returning Iraq and Afghanistan war vets are disabled. They are not selfish about it either, although it's hard to get the numbers of Iraqis and Afghans that no longer have legs or arms or eyes...etc.
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...all those ribs in the sidewalk are for the blind, no seeing eye dogs in China
...most of those 3 wheeled scooters....for the disabled
...they get more benefits than the retirees you see on the street every day
...the culture of family taking care of family here
The old-age/disability 'homes' in the US are no picnic, but on one hand, China does not lock up their elderly and handicapped in an out of sight/out of mind manner. |
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underh20
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Why the comparisons with America? Who is blaming the fault on the political system, or lack of freedom?
Think underh20 has it about right |
Exactly.
Now, Coffee, let's look at the crap you wrote:
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| ...all those ribs in the sidewalk are for the blind, no seeing eye dogs in China |
Those ribbed sidewalks make up less than 1% of all the sidewalks in Shanghai.
What about all those holes in the sidewalks? The curbs that are not wheelchair friendly? The cute little sounds the traffic lights make that mean aquat anyhow because drivers mow down blind people quicker than they do the sighted. Guess they get double points for blind people, no?
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| ...most of those 3 wheeled scooters....for the disabled |
Bzzzt ... wrong answer. They are for taxi scooter drivers and other dickheads using them for their water / grocery / plumbing supply delivery service.
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| ...they get more benefits than the retirees you see on the street every day |
Such as what? Think carefully before you open your mouth and get made to look like a fool on this one.
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| ...the culture of family taking care of family here |
On this you have a point -- half-assed, but still a point. Please explain how families with a net family income of 1,000 RMB per month can afford to "take care" of their disabled family members?
Have you ever seen life outside of Shanghai -- in the real sticks?
What about those paraplegics on the street begging for lunch? Where is their family?
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| ... China does not lock up their elderly and handicapped in an out of sight/out of mind manner. |
Nursing homes cost money. That's why China doesn't build them.
China doesn't have to "lock up" the disabled. They can throw them away in plain sight. It's called in your face, but nobody really gives a shit about you anyhow.
One of the stupidest statements you've made so far this year. |
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^if your standard is elderly and disabled deserve Utopia, then u can bitch about anything.
China provides for a certain level of independence. Capitalist societies say if you want some level of independence, it's going to cost you big.
There's no doubt about the lack of 2 legs or other ambulatory issues on the people driving 3 wheeled scooters that I see in Pudong and Puxi. They're much smaller than the taxi and delivery ones you speak of. Ever leave your ivory tower and see how the real people live?
-people with disabilites get more aid/money, what's so complex about that? Ask your local friends, of which I'm sure you have many.
-disabled beggers, I suppose you assume they're homeless? You see the locals throwing money at them? Talk to some Chinese people.
-No **** nursing homes cost money, you just automatically assume that those are a better deal than staying with family. I'm sure all those folks in nursing homes are so happy there and glad to be away from their family. Seems we know where you'll toss your parents the first chance you get; out of sight. |
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You have to realize you're talking about a country where due to the all the changes in the last 50 years MAYBE one person per village/town had a chance to get in a univeristy just 15 years ago. Got to many 'C's' in 3rd grade, technical high school for you, your destiny is factory work: because that's what the country needed then. While unfortunate for the blind man that really, really wants a PhD in history, you may want to consider the rebirth of a nation and the economics and policies that go with it. Now go home and cry that you didn't have an iPod when you were 12. |
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| There's no doubt about the lack of 2 legs or other ambulatory issues on the people driving 3 wheeled scooters that I see in Pudong and Puxi. They're much smaller than the taxi and delivery ones you speak of. Ever leave your ivory tower and see how the real people live? |
How many 3-wheeled orange scooters have you seen in, say, Shenyang? Guizhou Province? Beijing? Guangzhou?
Oh, now I get it ... people with disabilities from all over China have driven their scooters to your neighborhood, right?
You're a real fucktard, CoffeeDork. Sure you're not related to RawBitch?
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| -people with disabilites get more aid/money, what's so complex about that? Ask your local friends, of which I'm sure you have many. |
How much of a disability payment does someone get every month? More than the retired factory worker that gets anywhere from about 450 RMB per month up to about 800 RMB?
Are you saying they have no-cost medical care to help them with their medical issues?
They are able to get decent jobs outside of Blind-Man Massage franchises?
How many civil servants do you see in wheelchairs? With only one arm / leg / eye?
How many people in wheelchairs or on crutches do you see strolling the streets or even parks? On the subways? On busses? Or are they all hiding out in their apartments using an Excel spreadsheet to decide how best to invest the 150 RMB disability payment they get from the government every month?
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| -disabled beggers, I suppose you assume they're homeless? You see the locals throwing money at them? Talk to some Chinese people. |
Ah, yes ... the old moronic statement about how all beggars are secret millionaires. Yeah, all those people sprawled out on the sidewalk with 4 stubby limbs and cups with barely 2 kuai in them are all millionaires with huge industrial empires at their disposal.
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| -No **** nursing homes cost money, you just automatically assume that those are a better deal than staying with family. I'm sure all those folks in nursing homes are so happy there and glad to be away from their family. Seems we know where you'll toss your parents the first chance you get; out of sight. |
It's an option. One that is not available in China.
Kind of funny how so many Chinese people bitch about no extended care facilities are available to their family members who need long-term medical care. I guess those people are really Western spies trying to make the Chinese government look bad, no?
Halve you stupidity pills, CoffeeDork. |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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hahaha, for a moment I thought you were serious, but now I see you are just pretending to be one of those "well, in my country it's like this, so everywhere should be like my country. Tee hee hee, what's a developing country? My daddy develops country clubs, is that the same thing?"
I get it now, but that makes this boring. Try harder next time. |
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Nathalie25
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hahaha, for a moment I thought you were serious, but now I see you are just pretending to be one of those "well, in my country it's like this, so everywhere should be like my country. Tee hee hee, what's a developing country? My daddy develops country clubs, is that the same thing?"
I get it now, but that makes this boring. Try harder next time. |
why you guys wanna talk about someone her daddy in here?
does someone she really mentioned it in her last 3 years or what?
Yes, for peace sake, someone she always helps here someone to wipe his ass and to help someone to get a decent face after someone he doesn't know how to get a chinese woman for love or a sex in life, but what the hell you can be laughed at this? so you think it really can cheer you guys up when you know nothing about someone her family or daddy personally in life?
you guys just wanna hammer up yourselves when someone she just tries to draw a Dignity for you & for the peace sake in here!!!!!!!!
What you lack of is just a normal intellection for judging the things reasonably & maturely by yourselves and that's why I never wanna get any real connection together with you in any places for any friendship or relationship in my social life~~~~~~When I wanna make someone happy in here, someone just wanna give me a frozen hug in his next second, so weak and immature!!!!!!! 不知道天高地厚，得寸进尺！！！！！！！！ |
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CoffeeHawk_0
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Let me guess coffee.
Your tong ren lu "girlf friend" borrowed some money from you because of her "
dad on a wheelchair" and told you a sad and long story right?
And then, as you really want to believe her story, you try to come up with whatever arguments you can. Am I right or what?
PS: she asked me for the same thing. |
Look carefully at what you wrote.........carefully
Consider the essence of what I said: Shanghai shows some support for the elderly and disabled
Consider the essence of what your ayi Underthespumcookie said: We need to do more for the elderly and disabled
Seems you two would be more likely to donate to a special charity story given your tender compassion for life and the Chinese people.
Your attempts at comments get pretty weak when you can't find a blog to copy from, eh? |
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Coffeehawk, you are talking to a saint in here and this saint his intellection is much hairy than your top head, you know? |
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"Seems you two would be more likely to donate to a special charity story given your tender compassion for life and the Chinese people."
In fact just yesterday I donated 2 suitcases full of stuff to Rivers of Hearts. I recommend them Coffee. Great people running it. Further, we have a new charity project starting this week, banners going to be up in I guess 3 days. I will let you know once it starts.
Also, I am giving you this gift here. Next time you feel really mad at HC, shoot me 
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Yes I know, the patron saint of hair. Out of respect for the Church, and the largest Catholic country in the world, we'll let the thread get back on topic.
h-sea can post some good stuff when he works on it, we all know that, but undersexed likes to exploit every misplaced punctuation mark, so sometimes a ménage à trois is inevitable. |
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hc
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"Yes I know, the patron saint of hair. Out of respect for the Church, and the largest Catholic country in the world, we'll let the thread get back on topic. "
Did the trl ho's syphilis reached your brain already?
I love how you think that since I am from Brazil, all of a series of stereotypes automatically apply: catholic, completely emotional about everything, "hates" the US, ...
I understand the need to simplify the world so that you can make sense out of it coffeedork, but sometimes (most times) you go too far with that, and then when we call you on it, you get all bitchy and smear your menstruation all over the forum.
Relax budy. |
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I also love how you think of me since I am from China, hc -- believe in Confucius, have "inferior complex", stick to backward habits, eat chicken wings, use chopsticks.
I am surprised you didn't know this "amigo" can also kick your sorry ass. 
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"Yes I know, the patron saint of hair. Out of respect for the Church, and the largest Catholic country in the world, we'll let the thread get back on topic. "
Did the trl ho's syphilis reached your brain already?
I love how you think that since I am from Brazil, all of a series of stereotypes automatically apply: catholic, completely emotional about everything, "hates" the US, ...
I understand the need to simplify the world so that you can make sense out of it coffeedork, but sometimes (most times) you go too far with that, and then when we call you on it, you get all bitchy and smear your menstruation all over the forum.
Relax budy. |
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okay, inferiority complex. obviously i don't have that problem since i don't even know the word.
well, since you lashed out on the inferior chinese culture and worshipped the superior japanese culture. here is a bit of history lesson for your pompous smartie pants.
GO or WEIQI in Chinese (Traditional: 圍棋; Simplified: 围棋), igo (囲碁, igo) or go (碁, go) in Japanese, and baduk in Korean (hangul: 바둑). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weiqi
why this game is significant? and what makes it interesting to compare? GO has a long history in the oriental culture with the influence of literature, music, philosophy, and even military strategy. and it's widely played by three countries japan, korea, and china. it's symbolic and epitomic in the three counties' cultural and economic status. very interesting to study it to see how it co-relates to the changes in economy. originated in China thousands years ago, Go was mastered by japanese for a few centuries and dominated till 1970s. Japnese pro-players were in a league of their own back then. when they visited china, they were arrogant but had good reasons. they didn't play even games w top chinese players. 2 stones handi was the least. it was humiliating to chinese pros and it lasted for few decades. then the rise of chinese and koreans along with the economic booms. they consistently outperformed japanese in a game they perfected. particularly koreans in the last 15 years have won all the major prestigious tournaments, although sometimes chinese players could win few trophies. in last a couple of years, it's been the story of the rise of chinese players. they played competitively with the top Koreans and now they even have the momentum to pass the mighty koreans.
what happened to the japanese top players in the game they used to be so good as their national pride? i am not talking about a few isolated defeats out of bad luck, not even a losing record of a couple of years. it's a humiliating losing streak for 10 years!!! why japanese got so bad? as a long time observer of the game, i think japanese got complacent and meanwhile koreans and chinese are in the spirit of pursuit of excellence in their pride. see, it's not their culture that made them uniquely great or invincible... i think as long as people have the will, there is a way. and i happen to think the phenomenon in the Go game also could happen to other aspects in life as well. take notes, smarite pants. |
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Sure, and the Olympics are also proof that China is "catching up" with Japan and the US, in fact China ALREADY surpassed them as a nation and as a culture because, after all, who plays better ping-pong and who can lift more weight or who can dive better in a swimming pool CLEARLY is SUPERIOR!
You see, what clearly demonstrates your inferiority complex is the fact that you use banal, mundane examples where China "performs better" as proof that in all other areas that China is inferior it is in fact superior, which is BULLSHIAT.
If someone came up with the who can eat more sausages or who can spit farther or who can stay longer without blinking games and China won, you would come here and say "hey you see! We are really DEVELOPED now", even though there are people on the street fighting to see who will feast on the trash bags I throw in the bin (disclaimer: that could happen in my own country).
So you see Georgie, you are again, without noticing, rubber stamping what people identified in you: you hate the fact despite all this face lifting events (olympics, go), you subconsciously know that in the end the gap is still pretty big.
Now if the people living in front of my building on the street eating what I throw out suddenly had shelter, education and were treated with respect, THEN I'd be the first one to acknowledge progress. |
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