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10 things never to do in China

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10 things never to do in China

Postby E8L » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:58 am

Found this at another forum. Quite interesting.

1. Never accept a compliment graciously
You may find yourself at a loss for words when you compliment a Chinese host on a wonderful meal, and you get in response, “No, no, the food was really horrible.” You hear the same thing when you tell a Chinese parent how smart or handsome his son is — he meets the compliment with a rebuff of “No, he’s really stupid” or “He’s not good looking at all.” These people aren’t being nasty . . . just humble and polite. Moral of the story here: Feign humility, even if it kills you! A little less boasting and fewer self-congratulatory remarks go a long way towards scoring cultural sensitivity points with the Chinese.

2. Never make someone lose face
The worst thing you can possibly do to Chinese acquaintances is publicly humiliate or otherwise embarrass them. Doing so makes them lose face. Don’t point out a mistake in front of others or yell at someone.
The good news is that you can actually help someone gain face by complimenting them and giving credit where credit is due. Do this whenever the opportunity arises. Your graciousness is much appreciated.

3. Never get angry in public
Public displays of anger are frowned upon by the Chinese and are most uncomfortable for them to deal with — especially if the people getting angry are foreign tourists, for example. This goes right along with making someone (usually the Chinese host) lose face, which you should avoid at all costs. The Chinese place a premium on group harmony, so foreigners should try to swallow hard, be polite, and cope privately.

4. Never address people by their first names first
Chinese people have first and last names like everyone else. However, in China, the last name always comes first. The family (and the collective in general) always takes precedence over the individual. Joe Smith in Minnesota is known as Smith Joe (or the equivalent) in Shanghai. If a man is introduced to you as Lî Míng, you can safely refer to him as Mr. Lî (not Mr. Míng).
Unlike people in the West, the Chinese don’t feel very comfortable calling each other by their first names. Only family members and a few close friends ever refer to the man above, for example, as simply “Míng.” They may, however, add the prefix lâo (laow; old) or xiâo (shyaow; young) before the family name to show familiarity and closeness. Lâo Lî (Old Lî) may refer to his younger friend as Xiâo Chén (Young Chén).

5. Never take food with the wrong end of your chopsticks
The next time you gather around a dinner table with a Chinese host, you may discover that serving spoons for the many communal dishes are non-existent. This is because everyone serves themselves (or others) by turning their chopsticks upside down to take food from the main dishes before putting the food on the individual plates.

6. Never drink alcohol without first offering a toast
Chinese banquets include eight to ten courses of food and plenty of alcohol. Sometimes you drink rice wine, and sometimes you drink industrial strength Máo Tái, known to put a foreigner or two under the table in no time. One way to slow the drinking is to observe Chinese etiquette by always offering a toast to the host or someone else at the table before taking a sip yourself. This not only prevents you from drinking too much too quickly, but also shows your gratitude toward the host and your regard for the other guests. If someone toasts you with a “gân bai,” (gahn bay) however, watch out.
Gân bai means “bottoms up,” and you may be expected to drink the whole drink rather quickly. Don’t worry. You can always say “shuí yì” (shway ee; as you wish) in return and take just a little sip instead.

7. Never let someone else pay the bill without fighting for it
Most Westerners are stunned the first time they witness the many fairly chaotic, noisy scenes at the end of a Chinese restaurant meal. The time to pay the bill has come and everyone is simply doing what they’re expected to do — fight to be the one to pay it. The Chinese consider it good manners to vociferously and strenuously attempt to wrest the bill out of the very hands of whoever happens to have it. This may go on, back and forth, for a good few minutes, until someone “wins” and pays the bill. The gesture of being eager and willing to pay is always appreciated.

9. Never show up empty handed
Gifts are exchanged frequently between the Chinese, and not just on special occasions. If you have dinner in someone’s house to meet a prospective business partner or for any other pre-arranged meeting, both parties commonly exchange gifts as small tokens of friendship and good will. Westerners are often surprised at the number of gifts the Chinese hosts give. The general rule of thumb is to bring many little (gender non-specific) gifts when you travel to China. You never know when you’ll meet someone who wants to present you with a special memento, so you should arrive with your own as well.

9. Never accept food, drinks, or gifts without first refusing a few times
No self-respecting guests immediately accept whatever may be offered to them in someone’s home. No matter how much they may be eager to accept the food, drink, or gift, proper Chinese etiquette prevents them from doing anything that makes them appear greedy or eager to receive it, so be sure to politely refuse a couple of times.

10. Never take the first “No, thank you” literally
Chinese people automatically refuse food or drinks several times — even if they really feel hungry or thirsty. Never take the first “No, thank you” literally. Even if they say it once or twice, offer it again. A good guest is supposed to refuse at least once, but a good host is also supposed to make the offer at least twice.

Source: [blog.cchello.com]
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Postby Noodles007 » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:08 am

good stuff, a lot of ex-pats don't pick up these types of things when they first get here
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Postby SnappySammy » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:52 am

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Postby bougie » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:13 am

Don't pay 5000 rmb for tea
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Postby shanghaiceltic » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:33 am

3. Never get angry in public
Public displays of anger are frowned upon by the Chinese and are most uncomfortable for them to deal with — especially if the people getting angry are foreign tourists, for example. This goes right along with making someone (usually the Chinese host) lose face, which you should avoid at all costs. The Chinese place a premium on group harmony, so foreigners should try to swallow hard, be polite, and cope privately.


But it is OK for Chinese to scream at each other, roll on the floor and wag fingers...
Being PC is like trying to pick up a dog turd by the clean end...
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Postby still_here » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:05 am

i used to indulge in a couple of them when i was a newbie. found myself getting screwed nonetheless.
now i just toss these, along with the ppl, i find idiotic out of my circle and to hell with this being China and "when in Rome........
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Postby martinear » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:06 am

NO.7 is right, poeple do this only to show that they are considerable. NO. is not real nowadays, since many Chinese know that "thank you" is the right reply.
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Postby Magnolia » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:59 pm

great post to share!

the complexities of a new culture are always daunting and every tip helps!
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Postby bloomark » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:41 pm

Never still get upset about things in China after being around for quite a while.
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Postby bloomark » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:45 pm

Never assume that things will go smooth and fast as well as in Western countries, never expect a decent Chinese girlfriend will take your bait.
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Postby shanghaiceltic » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:10 pm

Faithful1980 wrote:
bougie wrote:Don't pay 5000 rmb for tea


why 5000 rmb for tea? I often suggest my cat that he should pick up the places(especially the tea house) where it only needs 25 rmb or 35 rmb to drink the tea or to order the food together with his dog in there-I always aprreciate the way of go dutch, but my cat never likes it, so always here nothing happens in reality~~~~~~~~


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Postby Swiss-James » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:28 pm

Magicnuts? Nathalie25 more like.

Not sure about Number 5- the only person I've seen doing this was a laowei who used to live in Singapore and Taiwan.
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Postby bloomark » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:05 pm

Seems that I gotta expand my restrained list in the PIT.
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Postby johnnywill » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:02 pm

The writer knows Chinese etiquette so well, simply makes me laugh!!

I have one:
Never eat green soy bean without peeling cause' the rough shaggy shell will turn your stomach.
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Postby Swiss-James » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:04 pm

johnnywill wrote:The writer knows Chinese etiquette so well, simply makes me laugh!!

I have one:
Never eat green soy bean without peeling cause' the rough shaggy shell will turn your stomach.


Really? I just shave them and carry on.
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Postby bloomark » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:40 pm

You must be a sharp blade-tooth functionally.
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Postby potentiated » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:52 am

bloomark wrote: never expect a decent Chinese girlfriend will take your bait.


This one would be great advice for Flunder, truly the most despicable crotch cheese. :lol:
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Postby maneo » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:58 am

Swiss-James wrote:Not sure about Number 5- the only person I've seen doing this was a laowei who used to live in Singapore and Taiwan.

There are many other locals that do this.
However, it's usually not necessary if there are serving spoons or if it's a family meal.

If you haven't come across this does this mean that maybe you're not mingling in polite circles?
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Postby GiveEmOpium » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:09 pm

Love those culture tips, that are exactly worth shiat.
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Postby guel27 » Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:35 pm

Never buy anything without bargaining.
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Postby SnappySammy » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:54 am

GiveEmOpium wrote:Love those culture tips, that are exactly worth shiat.


There's a lot of anger in many of your post.... Looks like you have have much respect for Chinese People..
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Postby Diomed » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:15 am

IMO, I would never take that list too seriously. Except #3, and especially when your inebriated...then that's very good advice.
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Postby SnappySammy » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:06 pm

Never Let your dog out of your sight!
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Postby sbergman » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:41 pm

Hadn't seen this thread before. It's funny - except for #3 and #5, these would have been the same etiquette tips offered by my Russian-born grandparents.

What would be the ten don'ts in your country?
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Postby LifeMage » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:52 pm

Never pass out after drunken intercourse with a hooker in your apartment. :(
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Postby dsugg » Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:45 am

^9. Never accept food, drinks, or sex without first refusing a few times
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Postby bloomark » Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:42 pm

Never take out a girl who thought you were stupid.
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Postby SnappySammy » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:56 pm

dsugg wrote:^9. Never accept food, drinks, or sex without first refusing a few times


That might not be good advice..
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Postby Chow » Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:56 pm

7. Never let someone else pay the bill without fighting for it
Most Westerners are stunned the first time they witness the many fairly chaotic, noisy scenes at the end of a Chinese restaurant meal. The time to pay the bill has come and everyone is simply doing what they’re expected to do — fight to be the one to pay it. The Chinese consider it good manners to vociferously and strenuously attempt to wrest the bill out of the very hands of whoever happens to have it. This may go on, back and forth, for a good few minutes, until someone “wins” and pays the bill. The gesture of being eager and willing to pay is always appreciated.



this is ture. When you see two people fighting in front of restaurant, don't get shocked
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Postby SnappySammy » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:57 am

They are fighting over a woman not the check....
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