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3 Chinese Horsemen: consumers, unrest, and property...

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3 Chinese Horsemen: consumers, unrest, and property...

Postby KopyKatKiller » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:02 am

Last Hope for the Chinese Economy: Consumption

Last year, consumption fell to 33.8 % of gross domestic product, and no country had a lower percentage. There is clearly room for domestic spending to play a much larger role in China’s economy.

In fact, for more than a half decade, Chinese leaders have been talking about the need to rebalance their economy toward consumption, and they have taken steps to do so. They created, for instance, subsidies to consumers to buy appliances and cars. Yet, as we have seen in other countries, sales of these items quickly dropped once Beijing ended the incentive payments.

The targeted subsidies, although steps in the right direction, have been ineffective in reorienting the economy because Chinese leaders, in the three-decade “reform era,” have maintained an export—in other words, anti-consumption—growth model. And when the global economy faltered in 2008, they turned to government spending to make up for the fall in exports. As a result, the Chinese economy became, in the memorable words of Premier Wen Jiabao, even more “unstable, unbalanced, uncoordinated, and unsustainable.”

The failure of China’s leaders to make structural changes in the prosperous period of a half decade ago indicates they are not going to take bold steps to increase consumption now when the economy is sliding precipitously. To increase consumption, they would have to change their growth model by, for instance, letting the renminbi float, permitting banks to compete for deposits by offering market interest rates—which means charging market rates to state enterprises—allowing labor to organize and demand higher wages, and providing a substantially stronger social safety net.

With the possible exception of the last item, they are not prepared to do any of these things. Low consumption, unfortunately, is the inevitable result of China’s growth model, not merely a remediable feature of it. Therefore, no one should have been surprised last month when Vice Premier Wang Qishan suggested to American trade officials that his government was going to further skew the economy to avoid a “balanced recession.”

In the current downturn, the prospects for consumption are not particularly good. There are three things to follow closely. First, consumption’s role in the economy declined even though real wages increased in China 12.5% a year for a decade, so we have to wonder what will happen when employers begin to cut workers in the face of sagging domestic and external demand and flagging productivity.

Second, after an extraordinary nationwide real estate boom, about half of China’s household wealth is represented by property. Yet prices began to soften in September, collapsed in October, and maintained downward momentum last month. Whether or not there will be a crisis in confidence, the rapid decline of real estate values will inevitable create a negative wealth effect, undermining consumption.

Read the rest here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang ... nsumption/
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China to prepare for social unrest

Beijing has underlined its concern that an economic slowdown could lead to social unrest in China, with the country’s security chief urging local officials to do more to prepare for the “negative effects of the market economy”.

Zhou Yongkang, a member of the politburo, told provincial officials that they needed to find better methods of “social management” – a euphemism which can include everything from better internet censorship and strategic policing of violent unrest, to a better social safety net.

“It is an urgent task for us to think how to establish a social management system with Chinese characteristics to suit our socialist market economy,” he told a seminar on “social management innovation”.

“Especially when facing the negative effects of the market economy, we still have not formed a complete mechanism for social management,” he said. Mr Zhou also urged officials to limit spending on wasteful “vanity” projects that trigger public anger.

His comments are the clearest sign yet that Beijing is worried that the global economic crisis could lead to serious domestic social unrest. Mr Zhou’s remarks, published by the state-run Xinhua news agency on Saturday, came at the end of a week which saw evidence of a slowdown in Chinese manufacturing, an easing in credit policy to avert a sharper slowdown, and two outbreaks of violence.

Recent months have seen a rise in unrest – apparently linked to economic grievances, including workers’ fears about the economic dislocation caused by Beijing’s long-term plan to move away from low-value manufacturing to more creative and innovative industries.

Read the rest here: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/61673902 ... z1fcm5d74E
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China's Hard Landing
The state-led growth model is leading the country into trouble.

China is a poster child for the Austrian school of economics' theory of the business cycle. After undertaking the biggest stimulus program the world has ever seen in response to the global financial crisis, the country is drowning in unproductive investments financed with credit.

The government spent 15% of GDP largely on public works projects in inland regions, financed with loans from the state-owned banks. Investment as a share of GDP soared to 48.5% in 2010, and the M2 measure of money supply ballooned to 140% that of the U.S.

Now comes the hangover. The public works projects are winding down, unleashing a wave of unemployment and an uptick in social unrest. The banks' nonperforming loans are rising, and local governments are insolvent. The country is littered with luxurious county government offices, ghost cities of empty apartment blocks, unsafe high-speed rail lines and crumbling highways to nowhere.

One effect of negative real interest rates was a nationwide bubble in private housing, with the average price of an urban apartment reaching eight times the average annual income. Real estate is the most popular investment for the wealthy, according to a central bank survey in September. Millions of luxury apartments are vacant, even as there is a shortage of affordable housing for the poor.

Property construction became "the most important sector in the universe," in the words of UBS economist Jonathan Anderson. It directly accounts for about 13% of the economy, 20% if one includes related industries like concrete and steel. It also provided 40% of local government revenues through land sales.

Worsening inflation forced the government to put on the brakes this year. As with most property busts, transactions dried up, followed by a free fall in prices. Land prices were down 60% year on year in September. Property developers are slashing prices of new homes to stave off bankruptcy.

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There is no easy way to avoid the bust that is coming. The silver lining is that China's increasingly state-led growth model will be discredited, and a debate will begin on restarting the reforms that stalled in the mid-2000s. A financial sector that allocates credit based on politics rather than price signals led China into this mess. Popular pressure to dismantle crony capitalism is building, and the Communist Party would be wise to get in front of it while it can.

Read the rest here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... logsModule
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China is already halfway to their economic apocalypse in my opinion.

Economic collapse with Chinese characteristics = a return to cannibalism???
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Re: 3 Chinese Horsemen: consumers, unrest, and property...

Postby Brun0 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:02 pm

Here's what will satiate the blood thirst of the masses (and that has been done before): the government will confiscate apartments from the rich and give them to the poor, perhaps not directly but in a form of a fund.

The masses will see blood and those better off than them suffering, which to them is already half the battle, plus prices will decrease yada yada yada.

The CCP, smartly, will also use this to purge "corrupt" officials (as if there were honest ones :lol:) who have too many apartments, and consolidate its power even further.

Has been done before, will be done again.

They of course wont touch property from foreigners because they dont want gunboats knocking at their doors again, that doesnt bode well.

There are several ways to keep the masses happy. The honest one is to genuinely take care of them. The easiest one is to give them lots of blood, through panem et circensis.

This will happen as long as there are undesirable factions in next year succession of power. Satiating blood could be done externally as well: a chinese fishing boat being killed by some taiwanese / japanese boat will work wonders.

While all this is going on Goebbels is skullfugging Hitler in hell, anticipating a revival of his school of thought.
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Re: 3 Chinese Horsemen: consumers, unrest, and property...

Postby Brun0 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:05 pm

By the way: obviously all of the problem is to blame the west for, after all:

-They accepted china into the WTO
-They injected billions and billions in FDI
-They created all these jobs for the local yokeldom

Now that the orders stopped coming obviously it is all fault of the west.
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Re: 3 Chinese Horsemen: consumers, unrest, and property...

Postby rickettyrabbit » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:06 pm

Isn't he the 4th horseman?
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Re: 3 Chinese Horsemen: consumers, unrest, and property...

Postby Gay_Chevara » Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:12 pm

Bruno - good stuff, man.

Whatever happens it will kick off big time. It will be a life-changing event in China's history.

It's pretty exciting!
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Re: 3 Chinese Horsemen: consumers, unrest, and property...

Postby KopyKatKiller » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:32 pm

Cannibalism, the fourth or the final???
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Re: 3 Chinese Horsemen: consumers, unrest, and property...

Postby Gay_Chevara » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:45 pm

Didn't that happen in the 60's too?
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Re: 3 Chinese Horsemen: consumers, unrest, and property...

Postby KopyKatKiller » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:07 pm

^^Read: Cannibalism in China by Key Ray Chong. It's been a pretty normal thing here from the early 80's all the way back to the beginning of Chinese time... In fact, China is the only 'civilization' that didn't, and perhaps hasn't, developed taboos about eating the dead, or killing people for food.

A Yuan Dynasty writer, Dao Qingyi, recommends in Chou geng lu that children's meat is the best-tasting food and proposes eating children whole, including their bones. He refers to men and women as two-legged sheep" :lol: As we all know from the start of Mao's China, aka Mao's Great Leap, aka Mao's Famine, Chinese regularly ate their kids or their neighbors kids, or abandoned kids, or old people, or dead bodies lying in the street. And then again during the Cultural revolution aka, the 2nd Great Leap, aka Mao's Revenge, it became popular to eat rightists and enemies of Communism like teachers... Good Times, Good Times... (I've actually been trying to find out if there is a law against eating people in China. All I can find out is that their wasn't one during the Great Leap or any time before). And of course, many human parts are part of Chinese medicine and good for your healthy. The blood of execution victims is supposed to be TCM Viagra and people used to sop it up with bread at public executions to eat. Yummy! And Confucius said that filial children of murder victims should eat the perpetrator's, especially their bones, meat, heart, and liver. Ah China... So civilized.

Let us end this with the famous words of a madman: "I take a look at history: it is not a record of time but on each page are confusedly written the characters "benevolence, righteousness, and morals". Desperately unsleepibng. I carefully look over it again and again for half the night, and at last find between the lines that it is full of the same words - "cannibalism!"' Lu Xun 1918

If you know anyone from the countryside, ask them to ask their grandparents if they ate anyone, neighbor's children for example. The 2500 year old phrase for trading your kids with the neighbors to eat is: yi zi er shi. It's a Chinese tradition and a part of China's intangible, yet supposedly tasty, culture ;)

Contemporary Chinese cannibalism. Eating human fetus is good for your healthy.
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http://www.weirdasianews.com/2007/04/02 ... or-health/
http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/china.html

Excerpts from Key Ray Chong's book & Discussion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AChinese_cannibalism
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Re: 3 Chinese Horsemen: consumers, unrest, and property...

Postby Brun0 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:25 pm

So palominocn, did your parents eat dead people?

What did they do during the Cultural Revolution?

You are aware that during the cultural revolution and great leap "forward" 70 million of your people died right?

Which means chinese are the biggest assassins of chinese by a mile.

Post here your thoughts about great moments of China's 20th Century history....unless you are a coward of course, which we know you are.
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Re: 3 Chinese Horsemen: consumers, unrest, and property...

Postby rickettyrabbit » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:07 am

I've always loved baby back ribs . . .
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Re: 3 Chinese Horsemen: consumers, unrest, and property...

Postby Shinbone » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:54 am

^ Ladyfingers for tea?

I look forward to having my unwanted teachings explained back to me.

And then later, in a million years, to argue about why consumerism was not invented in China, and why international business ESP teachers at the turn of the millennium were responsible for not forcing an education down the throats of the indoctrinated.

Consumption requires empowerment. They made their bed and now they will lie in it.

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