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A perspective on hyperinflation in Chile in the 1970s

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A perspective on hyperinflation in Chile in the 1970s

Postby grabblegrobble » Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:10 am

A really interesting article on hyperinflation came out today in zerohedge. This is told from a personal perspective of hyperinflation in Chile in the 1970's, its causes and parallels to the US today. Well worth reading...

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest- ... -will-look
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Re: A perspective on hyperinflation in Chile in the 1970s

Postby Michael » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:19 pm

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Re: A perspective on hyperinflation in Chile in the 1970s

Postby Square_Dancer » Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:11 pm

The U.S. will not experience hyperinflation in the near future. hth
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Re: A perspective on hyperinflation in Chile in the 1970s

Postby grabblegrobble » Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:47 am

What do you mean by near future? 1, 5, 10 years?

For comparison, here is what happened in Germany over just a few years.

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Re: A perspective on hyperinflation in Chile in the 1970s

Postby smurfette » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:55 pm

grabblegrobble wrote:A really interesting article on hyperinflation came out today in zerohedge. This is told from a personal perspective of hyperinflation in Chile in the 1970's, its causes and parallels to the US today. Well worth reading...

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest- ... -will-look


How interesting it is submitted by Tyler Durden, he just might be the last person on earth to be concerned about hyperinflation.
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Re: A perspective on hyperinflation in Chile in the 1970s

Postby phiota » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:42 pm

Still hard to tell if deflation or hyperinflation will "win" in the intermediate future....

Inflation:
Heavy Government Borrowing
High Government printing of $$$ of all kinds

Deflation:
Many new factories in China/Developing World even when unprofitable
Recession(less consumer/business spending) in Developed World

or maybe we will have both Inflation in Commodities/Hard Assets (since only so much) while Deflation in Services/Housing/Some Manufactured Good (the ones not influenced by inflation in commodities)

Scary Times we live in...was much more fun when everyone was powered by greed instead of fear. China/Asia (consumer at least except Japan) seems to still be in the greed phase though just look at the real estate market.
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Re: A perspective on hyperinflation in Chile in the 1970s

Postby phiota » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:49 pm

Saw on another forum:

"This is an abstract from Andy Xie's most recent artcile,it can show you why china real estate is degenerating into a tool to steal state fund from state bank :
The inflation has so far occurred mostly in land and commodities. The land price has increased by over ten times since 2002, thirty times in some hot coastal cities, and over one hundred times in the most speculative areas. For example, in many villages in Zhejiang Province, the land price has risen above 10 yuan per million mu to 100 times the price a decade ago. Even though the land is rezoned for urban use, the price can't be justified under any circumstance. It is nearly ten times the average land price in Britain for urban use. Britain's urban land prices are the highest among all major developed economies. It is reasonable to believe that China's land price is the highest among than all the major economies today, even though China's average wage is one tenth of the developed countries'.
The increasingly inflated land prices have shown up in the nominal GDP through rising property sales to over 14 percent of GDP last year. Moreover, so much investment has occurred due to the collateral value of land. Local governments have borrowed enormous amount of money (probably around 17 percent of total bank lending) to fund or subsidize investment for creating GDP. The loans are secured with land. Without the high land price it is impossible for this source of financing to be possible. As fixed investment is close to half of GDP and driven by government, it is easy to understand how the land bubble has accounted for a big part of the growth in this cycle.
Recent manufacturing investment, for example, is partly due to high land price. Local governments have been competing fiercely for manufacturing investment. Many companies have learnt to exact so much benefit from local governments that they put down no equity capital for investment. They often ask for free land and use the land as collateral for a bank loan. They then lease equipment from the manufacturers that obtain bank loans for the leases. Essentially, the equity capital is from the land donated by the government. This explains why so many companies have always had negative net cash flow but keep expanding. Indeed, expansion is critical to their survival, as they need new investment to bring in cash to sustain themselves.
Profit drives investment that in turn powers employment that then grows consumption. When profit is due to asset appreciation and not sustainable, it can lead to crisis. Large bubbles often occur during prolonged prosperity. People stop paying attention to risk and have excessive demand risk assets. It leads to an asset bubble that prolongs prosperity beyond the normal cycle time length. The more overextended the cycle, the more pain in adjustment after the bubble bursts.
Possibly half of China's bank lending is to the property related businesses or local governments that pledge land as collateral. While the current boom has catapulted China ahead of Japan as the world's second-largest economy, we must remember the excesses in this cycle and the need for an adjustment as soon as possible. Nothing reveals the vulnerabilities more than the banking system's exposure to unsustainable economic activities that depend on land appreciation. China should proactively bring about the needed economic adjustment.

according to my own research and analysis of china A share listed companies and domestic SME, majority of firms are working with local government to get free land under the name of setting up factory, build" manufacting ,trade zone" " culture, tourist site" ,set "green technology"and high technology zone, then pledged this often low price land to the bank to obtain the massive amount of loan.
of course, most of these development site can not generate enough cash flow at all to pay back the loan, as a result, most of the site are abondoned and left to rusty. they are just trying everything to delay the inevitable collapse. it is also the reason why many insiders said that the china banking system have already bankrupted many times over and now it can not afford to stop to lend , or even recall the old loan, if they recall the old loan, those domestic firms can not pay at all. then whole system will collapse, that is truth of china banking system. "
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Re: A perspective on hyperinflation in Chile in the 1970s

Postby rickettyrabbit » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:33 pm

^ Very interesting, phiota. Thanks.
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