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Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

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Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby OnoMakana » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:13 pm

Hey everyone,

I just got the awesome news yesterday that my Alien Employment License / Work permit / work license was denied because I don't have 2 yrs work experience after graduating.

Has anyone encountered this and then managed to get around it and obtain a Z visa anyway? Is there a time frame in which you must wait to apply again if your application is refused? Some things I'm thinking about:

Applying again through offices my company has in Guangzhou or Beijing with my "updated" resume and experience.

Going through a headhunting or HR company who may be able to push the application through.

Going back to the states and doing some job that is half as enjoyable for 4 times the pay.

I would appreciate any help you could provide me with on this topic.

Thanks!
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby aLeGna » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:20 pm

I vote going back to the States for 4 times the pay, granted, the job is surely there for you.
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby shanghaihalfpat » Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:05 pm

Not sure about the time frame in which you wait to apply again, but yes, there's a way to work around the 2 years thing, and I think you know it from your "updated" resume.

Just submit a new resume with relevant documentations and you'll be golden. Are you handling this yourself instead of your company's HR? You might want to hire an agent who can help you with the documentations...
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby OnoMakana » Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:14 pm

Shanghaihalfpat, my company is handling it, but it's a smaller company so we're all kind of providing input on how to get around this stumbling block.

I'm not sure it's a great idea to apply again in SH with "same same but different" documents, I think we're going to try and get the application through our GZ office and then technically have me stationed here.

Anyone know of any problems I may encounter with residence permits or Z visas if my employment license comes through Guangzhou???
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby Michael » Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:45 pm

There are visa services with "guanxi" out there who can push it through. I have seen this kind of issue get handled that way before. Not cheap but doable. You are on the right track with an updated resume. Just make sure your job experience is also relevant to your new position.. because they will get you on that too.
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby maxfusion16 » Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:14 am

how about go back and get some experience......jeez people, the rules are there for a reason, china doesn't want fresh grads anymore.
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby s1ckone » Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:32 pm

I had the same problem last year, but in the end it worked out good for me. I don't know exactly what our HR did, but it took them roughly 4 weeks and I think they hired me as I kind of representative consultant or stuff like this. This is China and if your company is willing to hire you, they will get your visa. No worries.

But I don't understand why you are willing to start working here for a smaller amount of money than back home?! I graduated last year and am on my first job in shanghai, getting the same salary like in europe while paying less tax + housing allowance of 10k. In my opinion you should have a financial benefit from being here.

Again, no worries. Everything will turn out good :-)
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby Adrienne » Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:40 pm

Call Magic at Visainchina. He's very switched on and been around for yonks.

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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby OnoMakana » Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:23 pm

maxfusion16 wrote:how about go back and get some experience......jeez people, the rules are there for a reason, china doesn't want fresh grads anymore.


Great, thanks, yea i'm sure it will be no problem to just go back where un-employment is the highest in decades and get experience in China-focused market consulting.

"...china doesn't want fresh grads anymore." What an incredibly ambiguous, ignorant and inaccurate statement. The city of Shanghai, may be trying to curb the amount of fresh grads coming into the city, however as far as China as a country is concerned, it's a non-issue. I believe SH and BJ are actually the only cities that have the 2-yr experience regulation.

Additionally, if we weren't wanted, why are we getting hired? Shanghai wants to be an international finance and business center, yet it is constantly interfering with simple market forces.
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby OnoMakana » Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:33 pm

s1ckone,

Well I got this job locally, I wasn't stationed here. In my original post, I meant I would get paid more if I found a similar position in the US with a different company, I didn't mean I took a pay cut from my company to come here.

10k housing allowance... that is pretty nice. What industry are you in if I may ask? Did you apply locally or are you a genuine expat?

Adrienne - Actually I was just in contact with him. Yes he's very informative, and has a couple tricks for sure. I will make a post once I figure out everything and it gets worked out.

I think I may be applying through my companies office in Guangzhou. I'll just be in Shanghai on a verrrrry long business trip.
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby victorinchina » Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:46 pm

OnoMakana wrote:I believe SH and BJ are actually the only cities that have the 2-yr experience regulation.

I believe you believe wrong...
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby messybrownhair » Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:17 pm

I did not have 2 years work experience when I applied and it got approved still. You just need to "beautify" your resume, they accepted my internship during college as part of my work experience. I had 10 months of internship + 7 months of actual work and it got approved. Fill your resume with seminars etc that you have attended. I also included a letter of recommendation from my previous employer. Good luck! :)
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby TIC » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:19 am

They want you to have 2 years work experience, so you write on your cv you have 2 years work experience, right? Just see where it fits in, Im sure you have a free year before or after university or whatever. They don't really seem to care when.

Spice it up a little, make it perfectly fit the job you are about to do, so they can see you are the only one in the world that could do this job, hence for them to give you the permit.

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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby edinshanghai » Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:44 am

just like the Chinese airline pilots.... They spiced their resume up. Great way to start your career.
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby TIC » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:05 am

A resume is just a piece of paper that you can fill in any way you like, and they can't do anything but believe it...

So tell them what they want to hear
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby wibel » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:14 am

just like the Chinese airline pilots.... They spiced their resume up. Great way to start your career.

Do tell the whole story!!!
He is allready hired with his genuine resume, he only spices it up to be allowed to work here by the Chinese government. It is nothing like the Chinese airline pilots! They faked their abilities, he will only do what many newly born talents do to get in to China!

Don't let you bring down in here OnoMakana, sometimes someone can sound sour but it's unjustified!
And it is a great way to start your career if you believe in that! Good luck!
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby edinshanghai » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:23 am

wibel wrote:
just like the Chinese airline pilots.... They spiced their resume up. Great way to start your career.

Do tell the whole story!!!
He is allready hired with his genuine resume, he only spices it up to be allowed to work here by the Chinese government. It is nothing like the Chinese airline pilots! They faked their abilities, he will only do what many newly born talents do to get in to China!

Don't let you bring down in here OnoMakana, sometimes someone can sound sour but it's unjustified!
And it is a great way to start your career if you believe in that! Good luck!


It is exactly the same story. OFCOURSE people at Hunan airline new about the fake log-hours of the pilots... They also were helped to get in. They needed to fill the vacancies and this was the way... Now the pilots get all the blaim. Consequenses will be completely different ofcourse. Furthermore it is not about bringing people down or being sour, but even a small lie will follow you all your career. Especially in these linked-in times. Even this forum can show up in google if a new employer is doing is researchr (and nows the avatar ...).
Maybe here people don't care about a helpfull small lie, in europe and the US employers might look at this differently and won't understand this local ' cultural' point of view..
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby wibel » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:39 pm

It is exactly the same story. OFCOURSE people at Hunan airline new about the fake log-hours of the pilots... They also were helped to get in. They needed to fill the vacancies and this was the way... Now the pilots get all the blaim. Consequenses will be completely different ofcourse. Furthermore it is not about bringing people down or being sour, but even a small lie will follow you all your career. Especially in these linked-in times. Even this forum can show up in google if a new employer is doing is researchr (and nows the avatar ...).
Maybe here people don't care about a helpfull small lie, in europe and the US employers might look at this differently and won't understand this local ' cultural' point of view..

I see your point for what this "might" cause when you move your career out of China, but i don't agree that it's the same story as with the pilots. It's very simple, the pilots lie about their ability to get a job.
OnoMakana has managed to get a job here in Shanghai with his correct resume, he is there for exactly what the company that hired him was looking for. Even if some insiders at Hunan airlines helped the pilots fake their abilities, they - on the contrary to OnoMakana - got hired while being not qualified for the job.
Another thing, China wants to be international, especially Shanghai! But for foreigners with good qualifications but no 2 years experience they pass, even if a company hires them! While letting in every type of teacher that can say "yes and no" from almost every country in the world (don't say that it's only for native English speakers as that is "just" a great lie for the parents of the children studying English here)! (this is the governments fault, i have nothing against teachers, they are very needed)

Do you really think that if somebody starts his/her career here with that type of modification of his/her resume just to be allowed to work by the Chinese government will ever have a problem with that for getting a job in another country?
I know that i would give about their abilities and test if those are genuine. I couldn't care less that somebody stated he/she had two years of related experience before ending their studies just for getting in to China! I would be very interested though, in what their previous employer in China has to tell about them.
It's a good thing to warn people for something that can have a bad effect on their career! It's not a good thing to scare people off with something that will never be a problem for their career!
Thousands went before him and did the same thing, many have good jobs now back in their home countries. I know out of experience that it's just not true to say that this "small lie" will damage your career outside of China.
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby cadi08ad » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:03 pm

HI EVERYONE,

I just got an internship at alcatel lucent FOR ONE YEAR and my company has to provide me with a WORK PERMIT in order for me to apply for a visa Z.

Does anyone know if there's an age limit to apply for a work permit??? I heard that one has to be 23, IS THAT RIGHT?

I hope not, because I'm only 20 years old..

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby Andreas » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:16 pm

OnoMakana wrote:Going back to the states and doing some job that is half as enjoyable for 4 times the pay.


LOL, that's a no-brainer right?
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby KopyKatKiller » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:29 pm

I don't think it'd be a good idea to submit a new "updated" resume for the same position at the same company. The Chinese are the masters of deceit and I think they'd easily catch on to this.

A better idea would be to get the 2 years post grad experience. But another option might be coming here on a tourist visa and finding a job at a company that can hire foreigners in country. then submit your fabricated... oops, I mean "updated" resume at the local office. they may require copies of your degree so you'll have to do a photo-shop job on the date of graduation. But this thread is old and tired...

cadi08ad wrote:HI EVERYONE,

I just got an internship at alcatel lucent FOR ONE YEAR and my company has to provide me with a WORK PERMIT in order for me to apply for a visa Z.

Does anyone know if there's an age limit to apply for a work permit??? I heard that one has to be 23, IS THAT RIGHT?

I hope not, because I'm only 20 years old..

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!
Do people need work permits or Z visas to do internships? If so, why? It's not like you'll be making money... I have no idea about the age requirement, it may be so... Or maybe they'll have a height requirement, this is China, so anything is possible.
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby aLeGna » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:48 pm

cadi08ad wrote:HI EVERYONE,

I just got an internship at alcatel lucent FOR ONE YEAR and my company has to provide me with a WORK PERMIT in order for me to apply for a visa Z.

Does anyone know if there's an age limit to apply for a work permit??? I heard that one has to be 23, IS THAT RIGHT?

I hope not, because I'm only 20 years old..

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!


I don't think there is an age requirement; however, if you're applying for a work (Z) visa, you will need to get a work permit, which requires two years of work experience after graduation. So, the 23-year-old "requirement" may be just the usual equivalent (usual graduation age as 21 plus 2 years work experience = 23).

The usual visa of interns I met here is F or business visa.
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby jet5354 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:10 pm

wibel wrote:Another thing, China wants to be international, especially Shanghai! But for foreigners with good qualifications but no 2 years experience they pass, even if a company hires them!

I'm sorry but where are these so called good qualifications coming from? if you're in your early 20's and don't even have 2 years work experience yet?
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Re: Alien Employment License / Work permit DENIED

Postby News_by_KKO » Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:34 am

edinshanghai wrote:just like the Chinese airline pilots.... They spiced their resume up. Great way to start your career.


Ha Ha! So true! :lol: :lol: :lol:

And buy your flight log from some guy squatting on the corner...
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