Haha, welcome back Nick-la. So the spoilt brat made his return to SHEX after now having found a love for sport.

I will not begrudge you the new young handsome (we all know this is the most important factor for you in a sports hero) brit and his championship. It takes a national hero to bring one into this sport. It was the great Gilles Villeneuve and his equally great son that did it for me. So i dont want to squash your dreams and hopes in one post.

Despite true greats, like the Villeneuves, having won races and WDC on skill and merit, not all championships can be decided this way....i know....especially English ones.

But you need to understand, one Senior Alonso, did not cheat. He was told to wait in the pits by his team and his engineers. After having to succumb to the cheating of his teammate.....yes....your hero....the great....and wonderful....British.....xiao Hamilton.

And no amount of English grandeur can change that.

No trust me, i really wanted and hoped that Hamilton could have been the story of this F1 season. I like him, i like his driving, i admire a rookie and underdog enter a sport and overtaking a champion on equal ground.....and winning. It is great, amazing and wonderful.

Unfortunately.....thanks to your wonderful media....its great stewards (employed by your English billionaire) what i would have considered to be an amazing achievement in a year of sports greats...Barry Bonds for one...to have been the greatest....is now....sadly....Tainted.

Old, yes i am aging. And i admire a time when great young drivers like Jacques Villeneuve stepped up and beat great champion teammates, like Damon Hill (sorry, i know...he was English and shouldnt be mentioned in the same breath) and amazing competitors...like Michael Schumacher and did it with merit, strength, and by being daring and fair.

I guess.....great winners like that....can't come along in every generation.

So enjoy.

I wont begrudge you that.....enjoy.

Yeah, Schumi was as fair as Chinese distribution of wealth.

So just because LH was over-aggresive (just like Schumacher), he has ruined his whole story? He still won all the other races on merit, and by merit - is still an amazing driver, one of the best. If Bernie put you in a car then no matter of favours would help.

Anyway. Slightly pointless discussion.

There was a time when a KKK gathering was the only occasion 21 white guys would be chasing the black guy!

Kind of switching sports, but did anyone see the Dario Franchitti crash at last weeks indy cars!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du2A7jnqWz0

^ brings new meaning to Flying Scot

His lucky guy for surviving the crash
and marrying one amazing stunner.

I refuse to watch IRL racing.

IRL used to be good, but now it's a bit boring. It was great when Paul Tracy, Zanardi and Montoya were at their best. Greg Moore was great too but got killed in a crash. After all that it is now a bit tame.

But yeah, agree on Franchitti, one lucky bastard in two counts (crash and Mrs)

Mat you are talking about Indy Car. Indy got broken up into two to form CART and Indy Racing League (IRL). CART then became CHampCar.

IRL separated what you correctly describe as used to being really good. This was done because Tony George the owner of Indy race track wanted an All American series of open wheel racing where the car compete on ovals. I am sure if he could Tony George would try to make the F1 race at Indianapolis an oval. Anyway, he finally lost this race now and F1 isn't going there next year. Tony George is an American prick in the truest sense.

IRL is so fcuking boring and pathetic i will never watch it. ChampCar is still going strong as well and competing as it did before, running street city courses, tracks etc. But it lost a lot of its sponsors and a lot of the drivers figured IRL would get all the money and left to that series with the big American teams all jumping ship, or running in both series. Champcar has lost a bit of its luster alhtough its viewing numbers are much higher than IRL, IRL is a disaster

Both Sebastian Bordasis and Doornbos run in ChampCar, as do some other former F1 drivers.

leidelaohu wrote:

*CheerLeader*Mao wrote:Tony George is an American prick in the truest sense.

Tony George can't hold a candle to Bernie in the prick competition.

If you don't understand oval track, too bad. CART sucks. And there is no F1 racing in the US because it is so b-o-r-i-n-g that no one comes to watch. Most Americans won't pay to watch paint dry. Even WOO has some passing. Market economics 1A : no customers = no money = no US GP.

Haha, i liked the comparison to Bernie.

I don't mind the occasional oval race, which Indy League had before Tony decided he wanted all AMerican races and all Ovals. The Prick!!!!

Ovals are boring to watch, only turning left, **** tracks. Its mindless racing for the most part but can be okay on certain ovals.

CART (actually its ChampCar now) doesnt suck, the racing is still pretty good, the crowds and viewship larger than IRL and its only growing. Which says a lot when you compare how much more money IRL has backing it.

No one in the USA watches F1 (not really true at all, but for the sake of argument i will leave the statement as is) because of no interesting American driver there in about 20 years, and only 1 race in the USA.

As well, the time difference means the races start at 6am (at least where i was from) and people are not going to get up that early to watch.

^ they don't watch F1 because of the farse that was the USA GP in 2005

"...an inside personnel divulgen: Dennis has enough of A, seems that he want both A & H bug off..."
Wonderful Mclaren...

leidelaohu, CART wasn't just popular in the USA. Far from it really, Canada and Mexico had much more popular races plus the one in Australia. And they had started to expand into Europe. And if IRL is so exciting why are viewer numbers so low, the races not attended well etc. ....and why has the entire fan base moved to watching Nascar. And ChampCar (the evolution of CART) still has strong fan base and numbers, what they don't have is all American advertising dollars locked up because quite simply Tony "THE F-ing Prick" George controls the Indy 500....which is what the advertisers and sponsors want.

That is all IRL has, is the Indy 500, nothing else, hardly anyone follows IRL and wouldnt follow it at all if the Indy 500 wasn't part of the package.

And CART was competing with F1 strictly because it was so popular.

But most of the other stuff you wrote....well its more just a matter of us differing on our opinion. I just wish they went back to one open wheel racing that covered the USA, and rest of North America like they used to. All Tony "the F-ing Prick" Georges little tantrum did was ensure both series were less competitive, increase viewship of Nascar, spawn the likes of G2 racing popularity and A1 racing.

Its a failed experiment and i hope they will merge back together soon. They were definitely stronger together than they are apart.

I've juts seen this thread. Nice camel toe in there as well. Makes me feel like going put and buying some hotwheels.

leidelaohu wrote:

*CheerLeader*Mao wrote: Its a failed experiment and i hope they will merge back together soon. They were definitely stronger together than they are apart.

Egos won't allow that but if they did, it would be simple. USAC has always been the sanctioning body at Indy. It was CART that broke away. If they want to re-unite, then run USAC rules. Lots of other sanctioning bodies run shows partnered with USAC - the only requirement is that the rules match. It's CART that's making the trouble, not Tony George (who is actually a pretty nice guy.)

But CART doesn't want to. They want to pretend they are still competitive with F1.

They aren't.

Face lives in the West, too

( Calling themselves ChampCar is a real shuck and jive trick. Indy cars were often referred to as champ cars because they ran for the USAC national championship on both dirt and pavement. Then they split that into the gold crown and the silver crown so there isn't actually a champ car series any more. What's weird tho is that now they occasionally run the silver crown cars on pavement (but never the pavement cars on dirt !) . That was our only silver crown race, at Phoenix. Umm, it's not as easy as you make it out to be, Cheery.

Another funny thing that most people don't know nowadays is that the AAA used to sanction races, too. Tell that to your insurance agent

anyhoo, the "ChampCar" group has nothing to do with champ cars at all. Bait and Switch )

I can't agree with you about CART breaking away, its just not true at all. The fact is, Tony George and Penske wanted an ALL AMerican series on ovals, CART didn't. It wasn't to compete with F1 either really, it was what the fans in North America wanted.

IRL is lame. CART had plenty of passing and incredible races, sure some of it was contrived with safety cars closing the gaps and such, but over all it was highly entertaining.

All ovals if boring as..... and even IRL has tried to get some track and city courses now because CART was still blowing them away in attendance figures despite being bankrupt and having lost all the sponsors to IRL.

But this is all history, if these two series don't merge it will be the end of both of them, Nascar is completely dominating now. And i will never be interested in following Nascar.

Our man Dario again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_-qSoMdqp8

Legend!

the flying scot makes it twice so next race is he going to make it a hat trick?

seriously someone better tell him the brake is the one on the left