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China Data, Part 1A: More on Property Downturn

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China Data, Part 1A: More on Property Downturn

Postby rickettyrabbit » Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:59 am

DECEMBER 24, 2011

Published by Patrick Chanovec on his blog, An American Perspective from China.

I’m working on the promised next installment of data points on the Chinese economy as it enters 2012, but in the meantime, I wanted to quickly share a couple of interesting new property-related data points which have come my way since my last post:

First, two on-the-ground reports about the property bubble bursting in 2nd-tier cities. Bloomberg offers this report on Sanya (on China’s southern island province of Hainan) where the frenzy to pick up vacation villas has taken a nosedive, with home prices dropping 28% year-on-year in November and sales volume off 52%. Steve Dickinson, based in Qingdao (in the northeast coastal province on Shandong) reports on ChinaLawBlog.com that developers there are regularly offering 30-50% discounts and that construction on uncompleted projects has slowed. He says “the collapse in the real estate market has already occurred” and the only remaining question is how the government will pick up the pieces. In a related post, he relates the story of a Qingdao couple who now find themselves deep underwater after going into debt to buy a unfinished apartment at the peak of the market. Events in Sanya and Qingdao reinforce my point that China’s property bubble — and its consequences — is really a nationwide phenomenon, by no means limited to Beijing and Shanghai.

Caixin offers this report on the huge stress that plummeting land sales are putting on local government finances. As one expert declares, “The land market is basically deadlocked” as developers enter “winter mode” and stop buying land for new construction projects — a description eerily reminiscent of my own warning, at The Economist China Summit last month, that “winter is coming.” Again, the problem is even more serious in 2nd and 3rd-tier cities (Dalian’s revenue down 50%, Wuxi’s by 34%, Nanjing by 29%, Wuhan by 21%) than in Beijing (down 14.4%)and Shanghai (down 13%). The revenue shortfall is making it hard for some cities to pay for basic services like police and hospitals, much less repay the massive amount of debt they borrowed for stimulus projects – which, according to this report from Bloomberg, may be much larger than official statistics suggest. Interestingly, Caixin reports that some city governments are forcing local developers to continue buying land whether they want to or not — which makes local efforts to loosen up lending look less like real economic stimulus and more like a dangerous game of pass-the-buck.

Anne Stevenson-Yang of J Capital Research here in Beijing sent me one of their reports, which outlines various ways developers are offering hidden discounts — such as group discounts, no-fault returns, buy-one get one free deals, and gifts (like luxury cars or bars of gold) — that don’t show up in official price statistics, which means the real price collapse may be even worse than those figures indicate. Again, discounting was actually more severe in 2nd and 3rd-tier cities like Chengdu, Hefei, and Kunming than in Beijing and Shanghai.
I was reading through a recent report by Pivot Capital when I came across the following factoid, which set me back a bit. It turns out that the average home price in Guiyang – the capital of Guizhou, the poorest province in China — is now nearly the same as in Phoenix, Arizona, a city roughly the same size (4 million people) but with a per capita GDP about 10x Guiyang’s.

Continued at:

http://chovanec.wordpress.com/2011/12/2 ... -downturn/

Note the bolded section in the second-last paragraph. I'm guessing that this is the biggest potential problem - Cities being unable to pay for basic services, and unable to pay loans, also unable to get more loans to pay for basic services . . . and the potential for serious banking problems as a result. It's not clear whether this problem is an inconvenience that banks can easily absorb (I doubt it) or something much bigger. And if it is bigger, how big? Big enough to require government recapitalization, or something worse?

We're going to have to wait to see.
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Re: China Data, Part 1A: More on Property Downturn

Postby jay_dee » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:37 am

We're on the front line to watch it, bunker down - it's gonna be a bumpy ride... yeee haaa
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Re: China Data, Part 1A: More on Property Downturn

Postby beenaroundworld » Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:49 pm

jay_dee wrote:We're on the front line to watch it, bunker down - it's gonna be a bumpy ride... yeee haaa

That's hunker down, NOT bunker down!

Front row seats? Depends on the level of radioactivity released.
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Re: China Data, Part 1A: More on Property Downturn

Postby rickettyrabbit » Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:22 am

You can hide in a hunker if you want, but some would prefer a bunker. :lol:
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Postby jay_dee » Mon Dec 26, 2011 2:12 pm

Hunker Bunker who gives a sh1t.
I'm just here for the floor show!
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