Showers

Fri, May 25

19°C - 23°C

66.2°F - 73.4°F

Partly cloudy (day)

Sat, May 26

19°C - 26°C

66.2°F - 78.8°F



























China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

The place to share news stories and discussions about them. News stories posted to other sections are typically moved here as well. Traditionally, the primary raison d'etre of this section was to post hard-to-access/find articles that often dissapear crossing the GFW. But please note subject and postings are subject to scrutiny.

China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby rickettyrabbit » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:18 pm

China’s Real Estate Market at Tipping Point, Analysts Say

By Cheryl Chen
Epoch Times Staff
November 22, 2011

China’s real estate market is going through its worst decline since the Chinese regime implemented a series of measures to curb rising home prices.

Shanghai-based economist Andy Xie (Xie Guozhong) told an audience at the Caixin Summit on Nov. 11 that China’s real estate bubble has now burst, as real estate developers have exhausted all avenues that could possibly loan money to them.

Xie predicted that many Chinese real estate companies will have to shut down in the coming months and also said that real estate is the root cause for many problems in China’s economy. The distorted real estate market has attracted many industrial entrepreneurs, who expanded their businesses in the hope of pursuing real estate ventures, he said.

In October, China’s home prices dropped in 34 of 70 Chinese cities from the previous month, as compared with 17 cities in September. The average month-on-month decline was 0.15 percent, the National Bureau of Statistics of China said on Nov. 18. This is the worst decline since authorities implemented a series of “tightening” measures earlier this year to reign in soaring home prices.

In the coastal manufacturing hub of Wenzhou City, Zhejiang Province, property prices dropped the most, with a 4.6 percent decline from September, more than 10 times the national average.

In the four “tier one” cities–Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen–prices fell after three months of stagnation.

Half of China’s new real estate tycoons were created in Shanghai during the real estate peak in 2009. Now they are in a crisis.

According to the 21st Century Business Herald, one of the developer tycoons just launched a sales promotion offering a price reduction of 7,000 yuan (US$1,000) per square meter, previously listed at 26,000 yuan per square meter, the largest price drop in Chinese real estate history. But sales were still slower than expected.

The article cited Shanghai senior real estate expert Chai Yifeng saying that the four biggest real estate tycoons in Shanghai are all facing sales and financing problems.

Real Estate analyst Shen Jianguang from the Hong Kong based Mizuho Securities Asia told Voice of America (VOA), “Price drops are not only happening to newly built homes in large cities, but also to existing properties in ‘tier two’ cities.”

Shen said he therefore believes that the “tipping point” of China’s housing market has arrived.
The Beijing Centaline Agency and Yang Hongxu, director of research at Shanghai E-House Real Estate Institute, concurred with this view.


Cheng Xu, a senior economist at Moody, told VOA that China’s real estate bubble has already formed, and bursting is only a matter of time.

“When we made the forecast a year ago that China’s real estate bubble will burst, we did a analysis of the cost of a regular 100 square meter (1,076 square feet) apartment in Beijing and a white-collar family income. Based on Moody’s calculation, the ratio was 40:1 for locations within the Fourth Ring in Beijing, and 25:1 for locations between the Fourth Ring and the Fifth Ring. Right before the real estate bubble burst in the U.S., San Francisco and New York City peaked the nation with a ratio of around 10:1. How would this be possible in China?”

Andy Xie commented on the regime’s “relief measures,” i.e. the 2008 stimulus package to save the economy. He said Chinese authorities should not take the old path of implementing relief measures again. Relief measures have a negative effect in the long run. It would once again prove that without bailout from the government or banks, China’s moneymaking model will collapse. Without breaking this model, there will be no hope for China’s economy, he said.


http://tinyurl.com/8382jz6

To me, the most interesting aspect of this is how it correlates with two other recent articles, the "Chinese Provinces=Greece, and "Soros investing in HK developers".

I think things are approaching a crisis point.
Wabbit
"I work so hard, don't you understand
Making maple syrup for the pancakes of our land."

Frank Zappa
User avatar
rickettyrabbit
Board Royalty
Board Royalty
 
Posts: 7394
Mood: Cool
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:35 am
Location: Low radiation zone

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby tao_tao » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:31 pm

And it looks like we have seats in the front row. Popcorn anyone?
The secret to succes is honesty. If you can fake that, you got it made.
User avatar
tao_tao
Raver
Raver
 
Posts: 421
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:14 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby custer » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:52 pm

My advice - if you own a house/apartment in Shanghai, sell it now. Soon it will literally be worthless. Reinvest into UK or US property market and pick up a real bargain. Then sit back and watch your investment grow over the next 20 years, safe in the knowledge that you will not be faced with revolution back in the old country! This place is going down the sh*tter. Its already started, and its not going to get any better.
War is God's way of teaching Americans about geography
User avatar
custer
Rocker
Rocker
 
Posts: 695
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:20 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby ATP » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:06 pm

Despite all you doomsayers, the question is how long this will last? How long will this "crashlanding" be? And I wonder what the extent of the knock-on effect will be...?
ATP
PopStar
PopStar
 
Posts: 1291
Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 3:10 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby KopyKatKiller » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:55 pm

One thing the article fails to mention is that ,any companies, local and foreign, invested all their mainland profits in housing hoping to get richer. Expect firms seemingly totally unrelated to the housing industry, car companies, at food companies, shoe companies etc., to be hit hard by the real estate collapse and cause the fallout to be far worse and much more widespread than it would seem simply by looking at the real estate sector alone.
“You can have democracy no matter what level of development.”- Zhou Youguang
User avatar
KopyKatKiller
Post Roaster
Post Roaster
 
Posts: 4317
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:52 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby ATP » Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:03 pm

KopyKatKiller wrote:One thing the article fails to mention is that ,any companies, local and foreign, invested all their mainland profits in housing hoping to get richer. Expect firms seemingly totally unrelated to the housing industry, car companies, at food companies, shoe companies etc., to be hit hard by the real estate collapse and cause the fallout to be far worse and much more widespread than it would seem simply by looking at the real estate sector alone.


Then, in line with previous evidence concerning declining enrollments across the board at language mills large and small, local, JV or WOFE (if such exist) when the downturn hit here a few years ago, one might expect a knock-on effect as well with the "teaching industry" & the language mill sector. One can only hope not badly affected; we'll see what happens.
ATP
PopStar
PopStar
 
Posts: 1291
Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 3:10 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby KopyKatKiller » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:18 pm

^^yes. why learn English if their are no jobs? Also, I wonder how many ESL companies invested in housing??? It wouldn't surprise me if EF and Disney have done so.

Saw a story on the news the other night about the massive jump in Shanghai uni students graduating without any employment prospects. Next year, 10,000 more students than this year will graduate and the expectation is that there will be fewer jobs than this year. Perhaps local unis will feel the pinch too?

Anyway I'm moving my employment to Hong Kong, I hope, next year.
“You can have democracy no matter what level of development.”- Zhou Youguang
User avatar
KopyKatKiller
Post Roaster
Post Roaster
 
Posts: 4317
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:52 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby DoReMe » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:27 pm

rickettyrabbit wrote:
China’s Real Estate Market at Tipping Point, Analysts Say

By Cheryl Chen
Epoch Times Staff
November 22, 2011


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times
It was founded in 1999 by supporters of the fª1ungοng spiritual discipline.

...associated media services...
.
DoReMe
Reacher
Reacher
 
Posts: 200
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:27 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby KopyKatKiller » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:35 pm

^^If it's not MiniTrue approved, it's probably trustworthy!
“You can have democracy no matter what level of development.”- Zhou Youguang
User avatar
KopyKatKiller
Post Roaster
Post Roaster
 
Posts: 4317
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:52 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby DoReMe » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:43 pm

All blocked in China, seems not without a reason. Who know.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/
http://www.epochtimes.com/
http://www.epochtimes.ru/
.
DoReMe
Reacher
Reacher
 
Posts: 200
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:27 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby Brun0 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:22 pm

Last time I checked Andy Xie wasn't from FLNGNG RB.

His remarks are at the core of the article.
"when i saw the girl talking for me, i enter the battle, outbursting toward the male laowai:"NO quarrel!" this laowai silenced." - Phalusminimuscn, 2011
Brun0
Veejay
Veejay
 
Posts: 1826
Joined: Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:38 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby ATP » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:39 pm

Brun0 wrote:Last time I checked Andy Xie wasn't from FLNGNG RB.

His remarks are at the core of the article.


What in the blazes does FLNGNG RB mean...? I presume that you're capable of speaking and writing basic, clear English?
ATP
PopStar
PopStar
 
Posts: 1291
Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 3:10 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby DoReMe » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:43 pm

Andi Xie is smart guy, and if he was reposted on know-who-prepaid webs does not make him stupid.

Seems if the Bobble will busted soon (as well CCTV talking about every day).

Another thing: i noticed many agents in doors of supermarkets promote new cheap apts (as in 2008).

Will see. I owned apt here and sold it many years ago for 5000/m. Now, that i want to buy cost 20k

per m2 - seems me expensive. Spend some hundreds of thousand dollars for save $500/m ? Hmmm...

For that price i better will buy in *other place*. Let them feck himself, thanks !
.
DoReMe
Reacher
Reacher
 
Posts: 200
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:27 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby bleepingbleeper » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:11 pm

actually, what qualifies that article is the fact that someone OTHER than andy xie said the bubble is bursting. andy xie has been at this china housing bubble thing for a long time, it seems. so much so that he's like the boy who cried wolf. eventually, he's bound to be right, but who really knows when?

when other analysts and insiders start coming out and supporting his viewpoint, then i'd be more inclined to be persuaded.
bleepingbleeper
Veejay
Veejay
 
Posts: 1953
Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:24 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby KopyKatKiller » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:28 pm

ATP wrote:
Brun0 wrote:Last time I checked Andy Xie wasn't from FLNGNG RB.

His remarks are at the core of the article.


What in the blazes does FLNGNG RB mean...? I presume that you're capable of speaking and writing basic, clear English?

FLNGNG means falun gong which is hard to write here. RB means Russian bear, aka DoReMe, aka, a bunch of stupid login names.
“You can have democracy no matter what level of development.”- Zhou Youguang
User avatar
KopyKatKiller
Post Roaster
Post Roaster
 
Posts: 4317
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:52 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby ATP » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:57 pm

Ahhh!. Thanks KKK
ATP
PopStar
PopStar
 
Posts: 1291
Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 3:10 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby rickettyrabbit » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:58 pm

I think history is likely to show that Xie was early, not wrong. If he simply said the market will go down, he'd be like the broken clock that's accidentally right twice a day. But the underlying problem he's been talking about all along has not gone away - and if there's a collapse, this problem will be the cause. That doesn't make him the "boy who cried wolf" except to stupid people who think that if the wolf doesn't immediately bite their ass, it's not there. The wolf is there, alright - make no mistake about it. The question is when it will strike, and whether the government can forestall it yet again by pulling another rabbit out of its ass to appease the wolf.

Now, finally, I can see the mechanism of a potential collapse. I always thought it would be hard to start a big drop because Chinese typically won't sell at a loss. The market just dries up when there's an imbalance between buyers and sellers. Nothing moves. But now, with so many developers either slashing prices, or needing to soon, they'll reach a market price per sq. m. somewhere that stimulates buying. That will set the new level for the entire market. Then, nobody will be able to sell for the inflated prices they have been getting over the past several years. The new benchmark price will be set by desperate developers.

So, what could stop it now?

I read recently that the Chongqing government defied Beijing by lowering the deposit requirements for mortgages on apartments. What is to stop Shanghai from doing the same or bending the law in some other way? There are many moves at the local government's disposal if they want to forestall a catastrophe, and since the cities will be the big losers here, I expect to see some of them try to use these moves. What would Beijing do? Send in the army?

This thing is unpredictable. It may still be defused, delayed or even exacerbated by desperate moves. Nobody knows what will happen. But Xie has been right all along about the underlying problem. There IS a wolf out there . . . it just hasn't eaten anyone . . . yet. And it should be noted that Xie has warned against more stimulus, just as he did in 2009. If you read what he actually said, you can see he didn't try to call the collapse - he warned that it's imminent and that trying to stop it would only make things worse. Which it has. Xie's right again.

Bleeper, you're right - what makes this article different from previous ones is that others are now supporting Xie's analysis.

Real Estate analyst Shen Jianguang from the Hong Kong based Mizuho Securities Asia told Voice of America (VOA), “Price drops are not only happening to newly built homes in large cities, but also to existing properties in ‘tier two’ cities.”

Shen said he therefore believes that the “tipping point” of China’s housing market has arrived.
The Beijing Centaline Agency and Yang Hongxu, director of research at Shanghai E-House Real Estate Institute, concurred with this view.

Cheng Xu, a senior economist at Moody, told VOA that China’s real estate bubble has already formed, and bursting is only a matter of time.


And the problem seems to have moved to developers. This is the key in my view. The government can manipulate the market in many ways. But I doubt they'll step in to save developers by creating an artificially high bottom for the market. These developers can't borrow from anyone, and are desperately seeking money to prop up not only their development businesses, but their MAIN businesses, too! This means some completely unrelated businesses could be hit hard by losses in the development industry.

And this really does answer give us a hint about what Soros is up to. I think he's buying up HK developers, probably for pennies on the dollar, so he can flip them later when all the trouble passes. They'll be developing properties again some day, when the land prices get realistic again. And he'll own a chunk of them.
Wabbit
"I work so hard, don't you understand
Making maple syrup for the pancakes of our land."

Frank Zappa
User avatar
rickettyrabbit
Board Royalty
Board Royalty
 
Posts: 7394
Mood: Cool
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:35 am
Location: Low radiation zone

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby bleepingbleeper » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:30 pm

^ i don't doubt andy xie's analysis one bit that there is a wolf lurking in the woods looking to pounce. but to an investor or home-owner looking to buy/sell, timing is pretty important. and andy has been saying the same thing for years and years (the media must have him on speed dial - he shows up on every other article about china housing/economy troubles).
bleepingbleeper
Veejay
Veejay
 
Posts: 1953
Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:24 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby Gay_Chevara » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:53 pm

^ Good point. But I think it's not a case of 'if' so much as 'when'.

It's going to happen, but no one knows the time when.
www.shanghaidawei.com
www.shanghaialien.com
User avatar
Gay_Chevara
Shanghai Royalty
Shanghai Royalty
 
Posts: 9321
Mood: Cool
Joined: Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:38 am

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby sunsetlover » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:01 pm

Well, don't forget that there is no "free real estate market" here, this is no US real estate free-fall. The real estate market can be "controlled" by Beijing, as everything else in this country. They can do so with price controls, directed bank lending, heck they can even direct how much per m2 the developers can drop prices.

That throws the entire doomsday scenario into question, or at least puts it on a different equation.
do unto others as you'd have them do unto you
User avatar
sunsetlover
Reacher
Reacher
 
Posts: 293
Joined: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:31 pm
Location: Shanghai

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby DoReMe » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:13 pm

^ Exactly.

Don't forget about Land Price (which is probably ~50% from apt. prices). How about Lion's Share ?

Somebody need to learn about role of Gabelle(salt tax) in French Revolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_ ... Revolution
The Causes of the French Revolution were the significant
historical factors that led .... Collections of taxes, such as
the extremely unpopular salt tax, the gabelle,
.
DoReMe
Reacher
Reacher
 
Posts: 200
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:27 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby rickettyrabbit » Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:02 pm

Like the infamous "spittoon joke" it's all one piece.

I haven't thought this through, but here's my quick response.

The developers are failing. Many of them are in other businesses. Their main businesses may fail as a result. The cities owe huge debts to the banks, which are shaky at best.

The state can set prices but if the floor is above the real price people are willing to pay, there will be no buyers. This will penalize those who need to sell, denying them the liquidity they need. It will force failures, and then the banks will either be forced to prop them up, or the banks will have to realize the losses of their failed loans.

I don't think so. Too messy. I think they'll intervene, but not in that way.

I'll think about this one a little more.
Wabbit
"I work so hard, don't you understand
Making maple syrup for the pancakes of our land."

Frank Zappa
User avatar
rickettyrabbit
Board Royalty
Board Royalty
 
Posts: 7394
Mood: Cool
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:35 am
Location: Low radiation zone

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby KopyKatKiller » Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:06 pm

sunsetlover wrote:Well, don't forget that there is no "free real estate market" here, this is no US real estate free-fall. The real estate market can be "controlled" by Beijing, as everything else in this country. They can do so with price controls, directed bank lending, heck they can even direct how much per m2 the developers can drop prices.

That throws the entire doomsday scenario into question, or at least puts it on a different equation.
Yes. They can try to save the market if, and this is a big "if", they want to. The current leaders on their way out have little motivation to do anything at all, and the ones on their way in are Pro-Maoists. And as we all know, Maoists are no fans of the landlord class. Maybe they'll seize and redistribute the developments to the poor farmers who had their land stolen to build them? Maybe...

If so, there won't be a housing market at all anymore in China. A lot may scoff and say, "it'll never happen", but it's already happened a few times under this regime, so why not again? Considering that the unaffordability pf housing is of top concern for urbanites and the loss of farms is a key gripe of the peasants, I'd say it is possible. In fact, a lot more of the populous would be happy with such a government move than those who would be unhappy thereby increasing the "harmony".
“You can have democracy no matter what level of development.”- Zhou Youguang
User avatar
KopyKatKiller
Post Roaster
Post Roaster
 
Posts: 4317
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:52 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby btb » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:31 pm

"I wake up this morning and find the radio, TV and print media all going on and on about how the property market is entering a winter season as real estate prices tumble. I don't understand -- are these macroeconomic adjustments here to help stabilise economic development, or are they here just to make property prices fall? Is there any country in history that has managed to grow its economy stably after a property bust?"

「一起床就发现,有声,有影,有字的媒体都在高喊房地产进入寒冬,房价将下跌。我不明白,宏观调控是让经济平稳健康发展,还是仅仅为了让房价下跌?历史上有那个国家房价暴跌后经济还能平稳的吗?」

- REAL ESTATE TYCOON REN ZHIQIANG WONDERS ALOUD ON SINA WEIBO ABOUT FALLING PROPERTY PRICES IN CHINA.


interesting question
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.
User avatar
btb
Board Royalty
Board Royalty
 
Posts: 7577
Mood: Cool
Joined: Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:22 am
Location: JingAn

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby tylerdurden » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:42 pm

Is there any country in history that has managed to grow its economy stably after a property bust?"


Yes.
Everything belongs to mainland china, everything was invented by mainland china, everything bad in mainland china was caused by laowai and China has 5 million years of culture. -News by KKO
User avatar
tylerdurden

Ground Zero

Post Roaster
Post Roaster
 
Posts: 4067
Mood: Happy
Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:32 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby KopyKatKiller » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:47 pm

^^Japan...
And as a city, Shanghai did... Prices crashed here in 2005.

Image
________________________________________________________________________________________

A Home Boom Busts
Shanghai's hot housing market has fizzled after a run-up fed by speculators, threatening a significant part of China's economy.
January 08, 2006

SHANGHAI — American homeowners wondering what follows a housing bubble can look to China's largest city.

Once one of the hottest markets in the world, sales of homes have virtually halted in some areas of Shanghai, prompting developers to slash prices and real estate brokerages to shutter thousands of offices.

For the first time, homeowners here are learning what it means to have an upside-down mortgage -- when the value of a home falls below the amount of debt on the property. Recent home buyers are suing to get their money back. Banks are fretting about a wave of default loans.

"The entire industry is scaling back," said Mu Wijie, a regional manager at Century 21 China, who estimated that 3,000 brokerage offices had closed since spring. Real estate agents, whose phones wouldn't stop ringing a year ago, say their incomes have plunged by two-thirds.

Shanghai's housing slump is only going to worsen and imperil a significant part of the Chinese economy, says Andy Xie, Morgan Stanley's chief Asia economist in Hong Kong.

Although the city's 20 million residents represent less than 2% of China's population of 1.3 billion, Xie says, Shanghai accounts for an astounding 20% of the country's property value. About 1 million homes in Shanghai alone -- about half the number of housing starts for the entire United States in 2004 -- are under construction.

"They'll remain empty for years," Xie said, adding that a jolting comedown also was in store for other Chinese cities with building booms -- including Beijing, Chongqing and Chengdu -- though other analysts say the problem is largely confined to Shanghai.

Shanghai's housing bust comes after a doubling of prices in the previous three years, a run-up fueled by massive speculation.With China's economy booming and Shanghai at the center of worldwide attention, investors from Hong Kong, Taiwan and elsewhere were buying as fast as buildings were going up. At least 30% to 40% of homes sold were bought by speculators, says Zhang Zhijie, a real estate analyst at Soufun.com Academy, a research group in Shanghai.

"Ordinary people had no option but to follow the trend," Zhang said. "Worrying that prices would be even more unaffordable tomorrow, many of them borrowed from relatives and banks to buy as soon as possible."

The Shanghai government only pushed the market higher, he added. "Many of the officials said Shanghai's property market was healthy and wouldn't drop before the World Expo" in 2010. :lol:

For Wang Suxian, the tale of two lines illustrates how the bubble has burst.

When home prices were at the tail end of the boom in March, Wang hired two migrant workers to stand in line for a chance to buy units in what the developer said was modeled after an apartment community on New York's Park Avenue.

The workers waited 72 hours, including cold nights, but the 35-year-old was thrilled to come away with two apartments, one for $110,000, about the average price for a new home in Shanghai, and another for $170,000. They were among Wang's four investment properties.

And for a short period, Wang believed she was raking in hundreds of dollars a day for doing nothing, as property prices in the city kept soaring.

But today, prices at the complex have fallen by a third, and the lines of frenzied buyers are gone. Wang is among dozens who are fighting the developer to take the apartments back. .....

Read the rest here: http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jan/08 ... inabubble8
________________________________________________________________________________________

Andy Xie's been at this bust prediction business a long time...

This "old news" is even more astounding in light of the fact that Shanghainese were telling me not even a year ago that it could never happen here. News Flash: It already did. We are now waiting for the second bust.

If you bought in 2006, odds are, you'll be in good shape no matter what happens...
“You can have democracy no matter what level of development.”- Zhou Youguang
User avatar
KopyKatKiller
Post Roaster
Post Roaster
 
Posts: 4317
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:52 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby HuaiQiao » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:57 am

Do any of u get the ads on tv

"u can but not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but 5 properties in the USA for 200kUS$"

as an IFA, i'd strongly recommend against it, especially had retrded laws on foreigners living in the usa
HuaiQiao
Reacher
Reacher
 
Posts: 324
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:51 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby jay_dee » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:00 am

retrded laws on foreigners living in the usa

hmmm like there are none in China, like we must register in every city you visit, then re-registar in home city or face fines
jay_dee
Low Seater
Low Seater
 
Posts: 3323
Mood: Angry
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:56 am

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby HuaiQiao » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:12 am

i never registered anything in 8 years except my dick-size
HuaiQiao
Reacher
Reacher
 
Posts: 324
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:51 pm

Re: China's "Big One" Is Getting Closer . . .

Postby jay_dee » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:00 pm

So you would need to pay a nuisance tax on it then.
jay_dee
Low Seater
Low Seater
 
Posts: 3323
Mood: Angry
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:56 am

Next

Return to News and Opinion

 


  • Related topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest