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China's Ghost Cities and Malls

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China's Ghost Cities and Malls

Postby phiota » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:04 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPILhiTJ ... r_embedded

This can actually turn out good for the poor in China since sooner or later they will be occupied just maybe at a much lower price level. I would say that China's in trouble with all this spending including construction spending (like in video), events (olympics/expo...) infrastructure(roads,high speed trains,...) and general communist inefficiencies but seeing how the developed democratic world is also spending a lot of money many would say even more inefficiently/unwisely (Wars, entitlements...) it might all end up balancing out except for commodities/food being more expensive.
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Re: China's Ghost Cities and Malls

Postby rickettyrabbit » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:37 am

I don't think it will turn out so well. China has a history of overspending and nearly bankrupting its banks. It's happened roughly every 10 years, and usually something is done that puts off the problem to the future. Eventually, all the bad loans on the banks' balance sheets will come home to roost. When they do, China is likely to do what it has done in the past, either inflating its way out of it (this expropriating wealth) or nationalizing deposits (thus expropriating wealth).

I once thought it might be resolved partly through increased taxation, but now I don't think China has an adequate infrastructure to apply taxes with any semblance of fairness. The banks have been weakened by all this infrastructure spending, and many of the loans made to SOEs will never be paid off. China has few choices in this matter.

Many wonder why wealthy Chinese are always looking for a way out of China. In fact, most of them are not. As one put it, "yes, it's dirty, busy, noisy, crude . . . but it's my home and I feel alive in it". So why are they looking for residence in new countries? Simply put, they know China's history of expropriating wealth, and they want to get some of it out of China where, even though the income it produces will be taxed by a foreign government, it won't be completely expropriated by China.
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Re: China's Ghost Cities and Malls

Postby StarShapedHole » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:06 am

^this... well wabbit you may come up with some childish insults but when making an observation in economics youre like a gdmn professor. i retract all my previous opinions of you for this was better said than anything i could've typed which usually are 'blah blah china stupid china suck blah blah me d1ck big.' oh yes, d7ck.
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Re: China's Ghost Cities and Malls

Postby johnny_tropicana » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:40 am

Funny, Wabbit, but I do feel an energy here that I do not feel
in many places, but yes, I am deeply leery about a substantial investment
into this land, its' real estate.. I have worked hard for over 30 years now, I do
not want to start over yet again. Yes, I feel this same trepidation in the states.
Almost as if I have finally made it to the finish line, and the government wants
me to run the race over with competitors who were not born when I was in college.
Today I looked at my savings/debt ratio, and feel that I can retire in only half a
million dollars. But then I realized I am marrying a Chinese girl from Shanghai.

Even as I finished my comments above I could not help but to think of all the glass
towers in Dalian, Beijing, and Shanghai that are "enclosed", but are devoid of interiors,
my business partner here lives next door to a building unfinished for at least four
years now. The Dalian "World Trade Center" was finished last year for the economic
summit, but only the lobby was occupied. Yet an apartment in Shanghai rents for
6000 RMB minimum monthly? One of my friends in Chicago is a builder. When the banks
loan him money, he builds. It does not matter to him that no one is buying houses
that have more floor space than my entire lot. Seems the same thing is happening here.
Look how well it worked in the U.S.
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Re: China's Ghost Cities and Malls

Postby rickettyrabbit » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:47 am

StarShapedHole wrote:^this... well wabbit you may come up with some childish insults


Oh yeah? Well, your mother wears army boots! 8)
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