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Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chinese!

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Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chinese!

Postby KopyKatKiller » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:39 am

China’s secrecy about its past could stifle its future

With China stumping assertively on the world stage, one might think Beijing would be open, even gracious, about the country’s past. To the contrary, history remains an exceedingly sensitive subject here, drawing relentless attention from authorities anxious to keep all skeletons safely in closets.

As a university professor in China, I face the consequences of this official apprehension every day. My young, bright students know little about their country’s recent past. What they do know tends to agree with government-sponsored discourse on the pride and glory of China’s rise after a century of humiliation by Western powers. Library and bookstore shelves tell, with enviable conviction, this same story of national grandeur. And it is hard to get around that government-approved tale. Some of us at the University of Nottingham at Ningbo recently attempted to order a standard Western work on China’s history, Jonathan Spence’s “The Search for Modern China.” Our efforts ran aground when customs officials refused to allow the book shipment into the country. The agent courteously proposed to manually cut out the censored sections — including photos of the T1annamun Square massacre and Spence’s account of the Cultural Revolution — to get the customs clearance. These are things the Chinese people are not supposed to know.

Historians of China face secrecy and restrictions everywhere as the key archives remain largely inaccessible, even though the Chinese archives law provides for the opening of official documents to the public after 30 years. Some progress has been made with declassification, notably at the Chinese Foreign Ministry, to appease international scholars. Academics can now read, though not print, digitized memos and telegrams from 1949 through 1965. Still, even these documents have been pre-selected to avoid potential embarrassment for the government. The party archives, which host the records of the Communist Party’s holy of holies — the Politburo — are closed. Anyone in China interested in studying the origins of the Korean War, which took place more than 60 years ago, will not get very far. The Great Leap Forward? The Cultural Revolution? Same story. Uncomfortable episodes of China’s recent history have become a subject of official amnesia and a victim of the government’s monopoly on truth.

Consider the case of Lin Biao, a hero of the Chinese Civil War, and later Mao Zedong’s comrade in arms during the Cultural Revolution, who died in 1971. Lin, who is well remembered for his appearances atop T1annamun Square, the Little Red Book in his hand, supposedly conspired to kill the Chinese leader, even though he was Mao’s anointed successor. When the plot was discovered, he fled to the Soviet Union, then China’s archenemy, but he never made it: His plane crashed in Mongolia after allegedly running out of fuel.

This is the official story; this is as much as the Chinese government is willing to say 40 years on. We do not know whether Lin Biao really planned to kill Mao. Their fallout could have been a personal feud or, as the chairman later claimed, a policy disagreement (Lin Biao is said to have opposed the Sino-American opening).
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The only ones at a disadvantage due to China's censorship of history of Chinese history is the Chinese themselves. Much of the seething Nationalism displayed by your average ZhongGuo Ren is a direct result of the governments unending campaign to control the past for their own benefit today.

What this translates to is a country of eager ignorant young people willing to support The Party regardless of the consequence which will result in cultural stagnation and backwardness. In many ways the CCP of today is acting exactly as the Emperors of old. Public thought control to legitimize the rule of the emperor and backward Confucian values of submissiveness to its authority. The Emperor (read the CCP) is infallible. As the representative of Heaven, all things good come from it's initiative and all things negative from belligerent outside forces. In such a sociocultural environment real development for China and its people has stagnated.

We are constantly inundated with "we are a developing country" mantra whenever something positive or negative is discussed. From new skylines to rampant environmental degradation, the repeated mantra is one of "we are developing" Unfortunately the exact opposite is true. China is as backward as it has always been. The sick-man of Asia hasn't been cured. And unfortunately this is exactly what the Party wants, a state of backwards existence and understanding for the populous under its iron-fisted control.

Though there may be short-term short-sighted benefits for The Party and National Pride, in the long term, it will lead to the ultimate undoing of The Party and the nation. Chinese historical discourse is built on a mountain of lies. Every year that the CCP remains in power leads to ever greater elevations of The Party and it's lies. As the old saying goes, "The bigger they are, the harder they fall.", and the lies legitimizing the CCP rule of this nation are whoppers. From the very footing of their claim to power, "We beat the Japanese." to their modern economic management, "We are responsible for China's economic development." are based on lies and half truths. The truth is the evil West beat the Japanese and it has been the evil West that kick-started China's rise to economic prominence. The Party bears no responsibility.

So what is The Party responsible for in regard to the average person's life in the Middle Kingdom? Rail disasters, illegal land confiscation, poison milk, and denial of basic human rights, not to mention a complete corruption of the history of New China. From Mao's great leap, to the crack own in 1989, to the ongoing food scandals and imaginary air quality readings, the CCP does nothing but lie to Chinese people. In short, they have done nothing that to endear The Party in the hearts of the Chinese. If Chinese people are ever made aware of even one truth concerning their Party and the history of New China, everything else they say, whether truthful or not, will be questioned spelling the demise of the Party and New China along with it. Will this happen? Inevitably. When? Only time will tell, but as time marches on, with each passing moment, a new stone is added to the mountain of lies. The higher it goes, the farther it will fall. The bigger it is, the bigger the crash will be.
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby bleepingbleeper » Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:08 pm

pretty soon, ks is going to release his manifesto...
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby superkim » Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:32 pm

You've got your Mini-14 yet, KKK?
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby KopyKatKiller » Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:15 pm

^^You mean this?
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Waiting for it to be listed on TaoBao :lol:
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby Ms Fugliness » Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:38 pm

with 1.3 billion people here.. and who gives a hoot what KKK posted.. duh!!

KKK, instead of posting this here, why not just go out and start educating the people on China history.. go and tell them they don't know **** about their history. lol...
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby Ms Fugliness » Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:40 pm

121 views adn mostly by you.. hahahahaha...

while the Chinese is happily celebrating the New year and here KKK sulking about how chinese don't know their history... wahahahaha

it must be suck to be you. :lol:
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby tylerdurden » Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:38 pm

KKK, you make some good points, but there's too much airy polemic in there.

Still, you managed to piss Fugz off, which is always a good thing.
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby Andreas » Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:04 pm

tylerdurden wrote:KKK, you make some good points, but there's too much airy polemic in there.

Still, you managed to piss Fugz off, which is always a good thing.


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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby custer » Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:36 pm

It will all eventually come out when the regime (eventually) crumbles - then the West and China will be deluged with 'latest releases from Beijing's archives' type history books. This is what occurred in Russia. Personally, I think the more interesting thing will be the fall of the Kim regime in North Korea and the utter confusion of the world's most isolated people when they realise the Truth. Most Chinese know perfectly well about the more sinister aspects of their history, and all nations have their dirty secrets. Western governments only release into the public domain carefully selected material - an awful lot is placed under 100 or 75 year rules after all.
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby Ms Fugliness » Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:40 pm

tylerdurden wrote:KKK, you make some good points, but there's too much airy polemic in there.

Still, you managed to piss Fugz off, which is always a good thing.



lol.. how can I be pissed.. imagine Dec 31 and here KKK is all about all this nonsense.. if anything I pity him.
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby amy0512 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:03 pm

A true contemporary American hisotry can only be found through wikileak. Check out wikileak and American history book and see hoe much they overlap. Your history book just like a dressed-up you.

Custer is more rational than the author and KKK.

That kind of article is easy to get published on western newspapers.
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby amy0512 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:05 pm

is KKK and Sergey Radchenko the same guy?
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby johnny_tropicana » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:23 am

Unsure as to whom I am quoting here but.
"History is a series of lies commonly agreed upon"
Or (and)
"History is written by the victors"

Whichever applies here will be determined in the near future
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Postby btb » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:36 am

^^ amen
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby rickettyrabbit » Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:01 am

Ms Fugliness wrote:it must be suck to be you. :lol:


I'm guessing you know this feeling from experience. 8)
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby UncleZZZ » Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:23 am

Everybody should read Mao's Great Famine by Frank Dikötter, man, what a book. It fully explains why things even today are done ass backwards, and China is like a new car with flat tires.

China is now in "Now what" situation with its new 5 year plan. The last 30 years have been relatively easy as everything was focused on building the infrastructure that was either totally destroyed or not developed at all 1958-1980. Now the focus is supposed to be in people (innovation, arts), but according to some people I work with (in music entertainment, theatre, science & technology), those fields have not been developed at the same pace. There are no generations of creative people ready to jump in to save the ship, that infrastructure is missing or so twisted with propaganda it just wont work.

Did you see how many more music concerts were held in Shanghai 2011 compared to the previous years? Actually less. I was personally involved with 3 investment projects (theater and music production) that were canceled, the reason why? Chinese history is preventing everything from happening, you see, arts take their ideas from the past, but also use the present to reflect the current situation. One additional problem is that people tend to fall in love with actors, which can have lot of power in what they say. How would you like to have a city full of AiWeiweis? Knowing that, the Shanghai gov seems to have decided to keep the city as a soulless fishing village, with hundreds of thousands sqm of empty space suitable for arts and entertainment.

It will be interesting to see what kind of magic accounting they will use to reach the 7.5% share of GDP for the arts and entertainment (tourism). Do they make the rest of the economy shrink so the less than 1% grows to 7.5%. The truth is the 5 year plans don't work for China anymore, the rest of the world is changing too fast.

The locals will be even more confused when they see Arab Spring and other events and find out that they also have had similar in the past and smaller ones almost every week. Everybody seems to be afraid to do anything.

Recently I read a long government memo of how great everything is with what China already has, and how magnificent it will become in the future with their leadership. The last paragraph was only couple of lines, saying:"Your department's job is to make all this happen". WTF! No instructions, guidelines, plans, nothing...How can (we) write plans to create something when we know the proposals will not be approved because of the unknown historical, against the communist principals, against the gov policies etc. are used. The guidelines are not given because then everybody would know what kinds of skeletons the CCP has in its closet. It's just absurd. Some day all that will backfire and China will start coming down from the high chair.
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Postby aprilisme » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:52 pm

No matter your points are right or wrong, I am very happy to see a Foreigner dig into Chinese history.

And thank you for the enlightening!

Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chinese?

I am just asssuming Chinese don't know the Chinese history! Or not every Chinese knows the Chinese history?

Can I assume: Every native English speaker understand Shakespare's sonnets? Every British knows Chaucer's works?

Can I?

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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby KopyKatKiller » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:42 am

UncleZZZ wrote:Everybody should read Mao's Great Famine by Frank Dikötter, man, what a book. It fully explains why things even today are done ass backwards, and China is like a new car with flat tires.

Great book. I read it over my lunches for a few weeks. That was surreal in many ways. Reading of state coordinated starvation while chowing down. A great book, but you may not want to read it over lunch. Also, I found it highly depressing, especially when I can easily recognize the same habits of illogic that lead to this disaster permeating everything that is China today.

Might I suggest "Wild Swans", a better book in my opinion. Not specifically about the famine, but better for a well rounded historical perspective from people who lived through the entire history of New China.
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Re: Chinese History: Everyone knows it except for the Chines

Postby amy0512 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:50 am

UncleZZZ wrote:One additional problem is that people tend to fall in love with actors, which can have lot of power in what they say. How would you like to have a city full of AiWeiweis?

How much power do actors have?
Ai Weiwei's p o r n arts is fun.

UncleZZZ wrote:Recently I read a long government memo of how great everything is with what China already has, and how magnificent it will become in the future with their leadership. The last paragraph was only couple of lines, saying:"Your department's job is to make all this happen". WTF! No instructions, guidelines, plans, nothing...How can (we) write plans to create something when we know the proposals will not be approved because of the unknown historical, against the communist principals, against the gov policies etc. are used. The guidelines are not given because then everybody would know what kinds of skeletons the CCP has in its closet. It's just absurd. Some day all that will backfire and China will start coming down from the high chair.

You seem from a governmental department since not everybody can see government memo. Police may catch you later. Don't say too much.
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Postby KopyKatKiller » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:23 am

^^Every-time any organization receives a government memo in China, they should post it online. The CCP may be able to silence some of the people some of the time, but it can never silence all the people all of the time.

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I was riding the metro in the afternoon on NYE and something I rarely encounter in China occurred. No, people were not extremely courteous or anything like that. Two ,middle aged businessmen were discussing politics quite loudly, and one of the gentlemen was telling the other how stupid the CCP was :shock: Criticizing the governments economic policies mostly. I've not seen/heard that before. in fact, I have rarely heard anyone discuss politics public, let alone, blatantly criticizing the Party. A good sign. If Chinese people ever hope to achieve freedom, they'll have to stop being afraid. Fear and freedom are antonyms ans can never co-exist.
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Postby johnny_tropicana » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:40 am

KopyKatKiller wrote:^^Every-time any organization receives a government memo in China, they should post it online. The CCP may be able to silence some of the people some of the time, but it can never silence all the people all of the time.

The People's Voice:
I was riding the metro in the afternoon on NYE and something I rarely encounter in China occurred. No, people were not extremely courteous or anything like that. Two ,middle aged businessmen were discussing politics quite loudly, and one of the gentlemen was telling the other how stupid the CCP was :shock: Criticizing the governments economic policies mostly. I've not seen/heard that before. in fact, I have rarely heard anyone discuss politics public, let alone, blatantly criticizing the Party. A good sign. If Chinese people ever hope to achieve freedom, they'll have to stop being afraid. Fear and freedom are antonyms ans can never co-exist.


Yeah kkk, But after each memo is distributed, they will send out the bill for the bullets.
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