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Debt panic in China's Wenzhou may augur wider woes?

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Debt panic in China's Wenzhou may augur wider woes?

Postby Juan_Tamad » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:07 pm

Wenzhou, a city of about 9 million on China's southeastern coast, accounts for less than 1 percent of the country's economic output, it has an outsized impact on China's manufacturing and its financial markets.

Almost all Wenzhou's business is privately owned, much of it by the city's more than 400,000 small and medium-size enterprises. The city's tycoons hold an estimated 800 billion yuan ($126 billion) in private capital and are renowned for driving speculation in property, coal mining and other commodities.

Much of the estimated 500 billion yuan ($79 billion) in private borrowing in Wenzhou went not to manufacturing, but instead to potentially higher return investments in property or commodities — or to still more lending by the borrowers themselves.

Some borrowers have skipped town...Some of the tycoons that skipped town, including Hu Fulin, owner of major eyeglass maker Zhejiang Center Group, were convinced or coerced into coming back. A few committed suicide.

Behind Wenzhou's woes lie a wider problem in China: many with capital to invest are no longer looking to manufacturing, when real estate, speculating in commodities such as Pu Er tea and high interest lending can offer much better returns
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Re: Debt panic in China's Wenzhou may augur wider woes?

Postby rickettyrabbit » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:24 pm

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Re: Debt panic in China's Wenzhou may augur wider woes?

Postby tylerdurden » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:35 pm

I don't believe the quoted population of 9 million for Wenzhou.

I've often heard outrageous population claims for Chinese cities. The most egregious example is Chongqing which supposedly has 30 million, making it the world's largest city. Of course, 30 million is actually the figure for the municipality of Chongqing, which is over 80,000 square km in area. The actual conurbation, I read somewhere, might have 5 or 6 million.

I was in both Wenzhou and Chongqing in the past two weeks and I can tell you that Chongqing feels about five times the size of Wenzhou. My guess is that Wenzhou has 2 or 3 million people at most.
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Re: Debt panic in China's Wenzhou may augur wider woes?

Postby madeinhksar » Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:39 am

The problem of Wenzhou reveals that there are too many loopholes in China's economic policies,laws.
In Hong Kong,loan sharks are illegal.
I think Wenzhou businessmen deserve it.Wenzhou ppl is famous of speculation.The Wenzhou property group go to city one by one,buy a bulk of properties ,make the price rocket.HK property mkt is also suffered by Wenzhou group.
Also,when the Wenzhou SME owner borrows private loan, they knew the annual interest is more than 30% but they still borrow it.Theres rarely any business can make profit more than 15% in the world.
Other than Wenzhou,many other cities like Dongguang is getting bankrupt too.
its quite worrying....if China's economy collapse,HK economy collapse too.
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Re: Debt panic in China's Wenzhou may augur wider woes?

Postby ShugaPush » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:00 pm

Sarah Law Ying wrote:Theres rarely any business can make profit more than 15% in the world.


Sarah, what have you based this little gem of information on?
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Re: Debt panic in China's Wenzhou may augur wider woes?

Postby Andreas » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:07 pm

Hmmm, the world is slightly bigger than a number of manufacturers of cigarette lighters in Wenzhou...
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Re: Debt panic in China's Wenzhou may augur wider woes?

Postby madeinhksar » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:27 pm

ShugaPush wrote:
Sarah Law Ying wrote:Theres rarely any business can make profit more than 15% in the world.


Sarah, what have you based this little gem of information on?


from a news program I watched in HK relating to Wenzhou Debt crisis.
the program invited a foreigner professor and he said that.
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Re: Debt panic in China's Wenzhou may augur wider woes?

Postby ShugaPush » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:30 pm

^
Must be true then, if it was on the teevee.
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Re: Debt panic in China's Wenzhou may augur wider woes?

Postby gman12 » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:41 pm

I hear a lot of Wenzhou people starting to dump real estate properties, luxury cars and so on, often at a deep discount. They actually own a lot of rental properties in Shanghai. So if your landlord is from Wenzhou, don't be surprised if one day someone comes to your door and asks to see your place...:-)
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Re: Debt panic in China's Wenzhou may augur wider woes?

Postby HuaiQiao » Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:27 pm

wenzhou is a dump, did 3 months in longang - jesus
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