



Hydro wrote:7. Is buying real estate a good idea?
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do..... not..... purchase..... in...... Shanghai! Bubble will explode in the next 10 years with one of two horrible consequences

Hydro wrote:7. Is buying real estate a good idea?
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do..... not..... purchase..... in...... Shanghai! Bubble will explode in the next 10 years with one of two horrible consequences


KalanStar wrote:70% of housing in 1st tier cities are for investment purposes. 2/3rds of all luxury accommodation are vacant. To combat this, the government is about to instate property taxes for vacant properties! Expect a massive sell-off when this policy is enacted. Probably this year!


PNWer wrote:Don't know about Manhattan real estate at 50% off yet,
but 30% off peak prices are currently available
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/08/1 ... _price.php




huaidan wrote:I can't think of a much better investment than reclaimed marshland that's sinking and surrounded by water. Good luck with that in 20 years. Enjoy the party now but don't kid yourself.




fWerrF wrote:PNWer wrote:Don't know about Manhattan real estate at 50% off yet,
but 30% off peak prices are currently available
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/08/1 ... _price.php
That 5 million asking price was not realistic.
It's like I can ask for $1400 for a iPhone4 then give you 50% off, it does not you get a bargain at $700.
Manhattan real estate price dropped 7% the most, in the less desirable area, in early '09.
The desirable area price has been firm the whole time, if not up.
Manhattan is not SF Bay Area or Cali, it's a tiny island but everyone wants to live there, same with Shanghai, if you want to be in city center within few mins to the Bund, there are only so many units available, EVER, and there are so many people who want in, and the numbers of the rich people will only grow.
That's why people can say whatever they want, I will say the highend property in Shanghai is bubble-proof.
Sun Hung Kai's new gig in Lujiazui, prime location, (which will block the Bund view of Shimao) will open at 150k RMB per sqm. It will sell out faster than you can say "nigga please".

huaidan wrote:I can't think of a much better investment than reclaimed marshland that's sinking and surrounded by water. Good luck with that in 20 years. Enjoy the party now but don't kid yourself.

Bshaw wrote:fWerrF wrote:PNWer wrote:Don't know about Manhattan real estate at 50% off yet,
but 30% off peak prices are currently available
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/08/1 ... _price.php
That 5 million asking price was not realistic.
It's like I can ask for $1400 for a iPhone4 then give you 50% off, it does not you get a bargain at $700.
Manhattan real estate price dropped 7% the most, in the less desirable area, in early '09.
The desirable area price has been firm the whole time, if not up.
Manhattan is not SF Bay Area or Cali, it's a tiny island but everyone wants to live there, same with Shanghai, if you want to be in city center within few mins to the Bund, there are only so many units available, EVER, and there are so many people who want in, and the numbers of the rich people will only grow.
That's why people can say whatever they want, I will say the highend property in Shanghai is bubble-proof.
Sun Hung Kai's new gig in Lujiazui, prime location, (which will block the Bund view of Shimao) will open at 150k RMB per sqm. It will sell out faster than you can say "nigga please".
This may be true, but the disconect between price and value is systemic Shanghai wide, as well as other Tier 1 cities. This Shanghai "bubble proof" sector may be made up of only 3% of net units built (give it 5% of total value)... but just because the prices in Manhatten didn't deviate heavily from averages, the whole of the US felt the impact. Gonna be the same story.


fWerrF wrote:huaidan wrote:I can't think of a much better investment than reclaimed marshland that's sinking and surrounded by water. Good luck with that in 20 years. Enjoy the party now but don't kid yourself.
Do you really think 20 years ahead when you buy a pad?
I don't.
I like it? I cop it.
Money is on the table? I sell it.
Really, 20 years?? We could all be dead in 2012


PNWer wrote:On Manhattan real estate
UES Townhouse Foreclosed, Loses Half Its Value in Three Years
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/08/1 ... _years.php
PNWer wrote:Shanghai is on different side of trajectory,
Hidden trillions widen China's wealth gap: study
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67B1W720100812
Not sure about it being hidden,
China is rolls royce second biggest market.

huaidan wrote:No, technology like that is disposable and I know it will last two years tops. When I buy a house for my family I'd like to know that it will still be standing to give to my kids and good enough construction quality to last 100+ years like they do where I'm from.
huaidan wrote:Interesting article:
http://shanghaiist.com/2010/08/17/chine ... of_sol.php
So there's huge excess capacity and inflated prices. Bubble proof lol..
huaidan wrote:Footnote: I find it really disturbing how many people genuinely think the world will end in 2012. Even really intelligent people that I know. Hopefully it doesn't become a self fulfilling prophecy, but with Israel only having two more days to launch a strike on Iran (without too much nuclear fallout), who knows.

fWerrF wrote:I don't know how many like to live in a house that's 100+ years old.![]()


huaidan wrote:They're missing out. I'm not talking about decaying Shanghai 'old apartments', think old Europe.
huaidan wrote:Also FYI that's where the real long term value in Shanghai housing is. Not in the bund view crap that's built so poorly it will need to be knocked down and rebuilt after an earthquake or two and doesn't even have proper plumbing, but in the gated old homes with gardens in the French concession you can't even see from the road.

fWerrF wrote:Of course you can always overhaul the interior of an old place, but it's never the same.


fWerrF wrote:The people who were waiting to buy Manhattan at 50% are still waiting
3thbraincell wrote:fWerrF wrote:The people who were waiting to buy Manhattan at 50% are still waiting

fWerrF wrote:1 million USD mark long ago.

fWerrF wrote:Man, is there another person on this forum that lives in Manhattan ...
3thbraincell wrote:So what ? Now you lives in Shanghai and you STILL CAN'T BUY anything. So, wtf we talking about ?
3thbraincell wrote:Did you noticed huge decline in price in 2005 ? Open your(widely).

fWerrF wrote:believe everything you read on internet.

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