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FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

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FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby Doroto » Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:40 pm

1. Can I buy a house in China?

It is not that every foreigner coming into China is entitled to buy a house in China. From July 1, 2006, only those who work or study in China for more than one (1) year, are allowed to purchase houses in China. Please note, here we are referring to buying residential property. Foreign individuals are forbidden to buy commercial properties under his or her own name, unless he or she incorporates a company in China to do that.

2. How many houses can I buy?

Foreigners are not allowed to purchase as many properties as they wish. Though there are no detailed rules and standards for measuring how big a house a foreigner can buy, as a general principle, a foreign individual qualified to buy property shall only buy residential property for self-residing purpose according to his own need. It is interpreted by local governments as that a foreign individual can only buy one (1) house though in practice, it is still possible to buy two (2) houses in certain circumstances.

3. Do I need to have a Chinese name?

Yes. Foreigners buying property in China are required to have a Chinese name which will appear on your Real Estate Ownership Certificate together with your original name.

4. Do I have to execute documents and go through related procedures on my own?

Generally speaking, yes.

Alternatively, you can authorize an agent to do all such signing and runaround work on your behalf. In that case, to the extent that your property is located in Shanghai, you need to prepare a power of attorney for your agent, which shall be notarized at a notary institution in China. If you are not in China yet, your power of attorney shall be notarized first in your locality and then present the notarized POA to the Chinese embassy or consulate in your country for attestation.

5. Can I apply for mortgage loan when purchasing a house? And how much?

Yes. Foreigners are eligible to take out loans in either foreign exchange currencies or in RMB (Chinese official currency). Given the expectation of RMB appreciation in the future, you may be more interested in take foreign exchange loans.

You cannot pay all purchase price by virtue of bank loans. Banks in China are restricted to extend mortgage loan to the extent that the amount of the loan shall account for at most 80% of the total purchase price. In other words, you have to pay at least 20% of the total price out of your own pocket, the down payment as termed in practice.

Further, if you buy a property of more than 90 square meters, your down payment shall account for at least 30% the percentage of the property price, which means your bank loan will account for only 70% thereof. However, rules in China often are bent to some extent, and for premium customers, banks are willing to extend bigger loan than regulated.

You need to confirm with your bank whether there will be any cumbersome formalities and how long it takes to grant your loan.

6. Do I have to engage a real estate broker to help me?

You don’t have to. But a real estate broker can facilitate your transaction in terms of locating appropriate target houses, coordination with seller, preparation of transaction documents and going through government filing procedures. In return, you need to pay about 1% of the transaction value to the broker as commission.

Alternatively, you can also retain our service. As real estate lawyer, we are allied with many real estate brokerage firms in different localities in Shanghai, which will be employed by us to help our clients in searching, and locating target properties. We can also help to arrange your financing and go through all formalities with government agencies and third-party service providers such as guarantee institutions. Meanwhile, except for that, we will safeguard your interest by taking care of legal issues involved in your transaction. At last, you will pay us only in the similar amount of the broker’s commission (1.0-1.5% of the transaction value) and don’t need to pay any cent to the broker any more.

There will more FAQs coming later. Or you may go to the following link fore more:

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Postby Hydro » Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:01 pm

7. Is buying real estate a good idea?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do..... not..... purchase..... in...... Shanghai! Bubble will explode in the next 10 years with one of two horrible consequences
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Postby Doroto » Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:41 pm

well, people have different ideas about the real estate market in Shanghai. People know there is bubble there but no one knows when it will burst.

From a long run, I guess most people would hold that the property market may still have a long way to rise.
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Postby caso » Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:26 pm

Hydro wrote:7. Is buying real estate a good idea?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do..... not..... purchase..... in...... Shanghai! Bubble will explode in the next 10 years with one of two horrible consequences


as long as shanghainese princesses refuse to marry if their boyfriends don't buy an apartment, the bubble will never explode!!
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Postby KalanStar » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:35 am

Hydro wrote:7. Is buying real estate a good idea?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do..... not..... purchase..... in...... Shanghai! Bubble will explode in the next 10 years with one of two horrible consequences


Probably you are correct.

70% of housing in 1st tier cities are for investment purposes. 2/3rds of all luxury accommodation are vacant. To combat this, the government is about to instate property taxes for vacant properties! Expect a massive sell-off when this policy is enacted. Probably this year!
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby emilia.p » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:30 pm

I have been looking at the hosing market for a while in Shanghai and still I don't see any logic in it. Most of the time properties price seem to be determined by the estate agent and the landlord without any or little relation to property condition/location/economic situation...Having said that we are seriously thinking on buying an house in the gubei/hongqiao area. It is not for investment purposes but we have been living here for 5 years, we are planning to stay 5 years more and we don't own an house in our country of origin. We got sick of renting and we would like to purchase an house to decorate and then live in for next few years.
We are negotiating for a townhouse:
- the seller wants us to pay his taxes, is it normal for a seller to ask for that?
- The house 140sqm will need complete renovation, any of you have done house decoration in China and has an idea of how much a medium/high level of decoration will cost? Ideally I would like to have floor heating/water purifier/good windows/central air con. We have bought furniture during these years and we plan to buy any extra at Ikea so this won't influence much our budget.

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Postby fWerrF » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:52 pm

KalanStar wrote:70% of housing in 1st tier cities are for investment purposes. 2/3rds of all luxury accommodation are vacant. To combat this, the government is about to instate property taxes for vacant properties! Expect a massive sell-off when this policy is enacted. Probably this year!


6 months after your post.
You have less than 4 months to go, to prove you right.

The people who were waiting to buy Manhattan at 50% are still waiting :lol:
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby PNWer » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:32 pm

Don't know about Manhattan real estate at 50% off yet,
but 30% off peak prices are currently available

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/08/1 ... _price.php
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby fWerrF » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:36 pm

PNWer wrote:Don't know about Manhattan real estate at 50% off yet,
but 30% off peak prices are currently available

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/08/1 ... _price.php


That 5 million asking price was not realistic.
It's like I can ask for $1400 for a iPhone4 then give you 50% off, it does not you get a bargain at $700.

Manhattan real estate price dropped 7% the most, in the less desirable area, in early '09.
The desirable area price has been firm the whole time, if not up.

Manhattan is not SF Bay Area or Cali, it's a tiny island but everyone wants to live there, same with Shanghai, if you want to be in city center within few mins to the Bund, there are only so many units available, EVER, and there are so many people who want in, and the numbers of the rich people will only grow.
That's why people can say whatever they want, I will say the highend property in Shanghai is bubble-proof.

Sun Hung Kai's new gig in Lujiazui, prime location, (which will block the Bund view of Shimao :lol: ) will open at 150k RMB per sqm. It will sell out faster than you can say "nigga please".
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby huaidan » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:22 pm

I can't think of a much better investment than reclaimed marshland that's sinking and surrounded by water. Good luck with that in 20 years. Enjoy the party now but don't kid yourself.
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby johnny_tropicana » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:39 pm

huaidan wrote:I can't think of a much better investment than reclaimed marshland that's sinking and surrounded by water. Good luck with that in 20 years. Enjoy the party now but don't kid yourself.


Just buy the upper floors...when they sink...you will still be above the water
We were meant to live for so much more
Have we lost ourselves?
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby huaidan » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:10 pm

ark penthouses are the new bunkers. I decided.
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby Bshaw » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:19 am

fWerrF wrote:
PNWer wrote:Don't know about Manhattan real estate at 50% off yet,
but 30% off peak prices are currently available

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/08/1 ... _price.php


That 5 million asking price was not realistic.
It's like I can ask for $1400 for a iPhone4 then give you 50% off, it does not you get a bargain at $700.

Manhattan real estate price dropped 7% the most, in the less desirable area, in early '09.
The desirable area price has been firm the whole time, if not up.

Manhattan is not SF Bay Area or Cali, it's a tiny island but everyone wants to live there, same with Shanghai, if you want to be in city center within few mins to the Bund, there are only so many units available, EVER, and there are so many people who want in, and the numbers of the rich people will only grow.
That's why people can say whatever they want, I will say the highend property in Shanghai is bubble-proof.

Sun Hung Kai's new gig in Lujiazui, prime location, (which will block the Bund view of Shimao :lol: ) will open at 150k RMB per sqm. It will sell out faster than you can say "nigga please".


This may be true, but the disconect between price and value is systemic Shanghai wide, as well as other Tier 1 cities. This Shanghai "bubble proof" sector may be made up of only 3% of net units built (give it 5% of total value)... but just because the prices in Manhatten didn't deviate heavily from averages, the whole of the US felt the impact. Gonna be the same story.
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby fWerrF » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:51 am

huaidan wrote:I can't think of a much better investment than reclaimed marshland that's sinking and surrounded by water. Good luck with that in 20 years. Enjoy the party now but don't kid yourself.


Do you really think 20 years ahead when you buy a pad?
I don't.
I like it? I cop it.
Money is on the table? I sell it.

Really, 20 years?? We could all be dead in 2012 :lol:
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby fWerrF » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:56 am

Bshaw wrote:
fWerrF wrote:
PNWer wrote:Don't know about Manhattan real estate at 50% off yet,
but 30% off peak prices are currently available

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/08/1 ... _price.php


That 5 million asking price was not realistic.
It's like I can ask for $1400 for a iPhone4 then give you 50% off, it does not you get a bargain at $700.

Manhattan real estate price dropped 7% the most, in the less desirable area, in early '09.
The desirable area price has been firm the whole time, if not up.

Manhattan is not SF Bay Area or Cali, it's a tiny island but everyone wants to live there, same with Shanghai, if you want to be in city center within few mins to the Bund, there are only so many units available, EVER, and there are so many people who want in, and the numbers of the rich people will only grow.
That's why people can say whatever they want, I will say the highend property in Shanghai is bubble-proof.

Sun Hung Kai's new gig in Lujiazui, prime location, (which will block the Bund view of Shimao :lol: ) will open at 150k RMB per sqm. It will sell out faster than you can say "nigga please".


This may be true, but the disconect between price and value is systemic Shanghai wide, as well as other Tier 1 cities. This Shanghai "bubble proof" sector may be made up of only 3% of net units built (give it 5% of total value)... but just because the prices in Manhatten didn't deviate heavily from averages, the whole of the US felt the impact. Gonna be the same story.


You are correct.
Therefore, I said "highend" property in "desirable location" will always gain in value.
I was never speaking about whole Shanghai, I don't give a f0ck about whole Shanghai :lol: I only care about where I put my money in.
It's common sense that the midrange properties usually take the biggest hit when bubble bursts, market crashes, recession hits ..
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby PNWer » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:04 am

On Manhattan real estate
UES Townhouse Foreclosed, Loses Half Its Value in Three Years
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/08/1 ... _years.php

Shanghai is on different side of trajectory,
Hidden trillions widen China's wealth gap: study

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67B1W720100812

Not sure about it being hidden,
China is rolls royce second biggest market.
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby huaidan » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:29 pm

fWerrF wrote:
huaidan wrote:I can't think of a much better investment than reclaimed marshland that's sinking and surrounded by water. Good luck with that in 20 years. Enjoy the party now but don't kid yourself.


Do you really think 20 years ahead when you buy a pad?
I don't.
I like it? I cop it.
Money is on the table? I sell it.

Really, 20 years?? We could all be dead in 2012 :lol:


No, technology like that is disposable and I know it will last two years tops. When I buy a house for my family I'd like to know that it will still be standing to give to my kids and good enough construction quality to last 100+ years like they do where I'm from. If we're just talking about flipping concrete shells that's a different story but I have better returning and more liquid investment vehicles.

Interesting article:
http://shanghaiist.com/2010/08/17/chine ... of_sol.php
So there's huge excess capacity and inflated prices. Bubble proof lol..

Footnote: I find it really disturbing how many people genuinely think the world will end in 2012. Even really intelligent people that I know. Hopefully it doesn't become a self fulfilling prophecy, but with Israel only having two more days to launch a strike on Iran (without too much nuclear fallout), who knows.
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby fWerrF » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:21 pm

PNWer wrote:On Manhattan real estate
UES Townhouse Foreclosed, Loses Half Its Value in Three Years
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/08/1 ... _years.php


Don't believe everything you read.
Yeah ok, a 15 mil pad sold for $500 (FIVE HUNDRED) at foreclosure, then sold again for 8.75 mil, what a lucky guy :lol:
That pad was only 15 mil cuz it was celebrity owned, the other properties in the same neighborhood can't get that kinda price. Therefore it's not a real example.


PNWer wrote:Shanghai is on different side of trajectory,
Hidden trillions widen China's wealth gap: study

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67B1W720100812

Not sure about it being hidden,
China is rolls royce second biggest market.


Bingo.
There are a ton of wealthy Chinese. That number is growing rapidly.
If you take a look in the parking garage of the highend properties, many out of province plates, especially Zhejiang, Fujian.
Those village people, when they strike gold, they all want to have a home in Shanghai or Beijing, they want to live in big cities not small cities/villages, that alone will keep the price afloat.
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby fWerrF » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:27 pm

huaidan wrote:No, technology like that is disposable and I know it will last two years tops. When I buy a house for my family I'd like to know that it will still be standing to give to my kids and good enough construction quality to last 100+ years like they do where I'm from.


I don't know how many like to live in a house that's 100+ years old. :lol:
The way I see it:
If a property is not your primary residence, if the profit is satisfactory, sell it.
If it is your primary residence, who cares if the value if up or down, you need it to live in there anyway, as long as you like the place and enjoy living in it, it's all good.


huaidan wrote:Interesting article:
http://shanghaiist.com/2010/08/17/chine ... of_sol.php
So there's huge excess capacity and inflated prices. Bubble proof lol..


I think I need to say this again:
I am NOT talking about the whole Shanghai.
I am only talking about the highend properties.


huaidan wrote:Footnote: I find it really disturbing how many people genuinely think the world will end in 2012. Even really intelligent people that I know. Hopefully it doesn't become a self fulfilling prophecy, but with Israel only having two more days to launch a strike on Iran (without too much nuclear fallout), who knows.


Just for the record I don't believe in 2012 a bit.
But I like to live like the world is coming to an end at any day :P
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby huaidan » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:21 pm

fWerrF wrote:I don't know how many like to live in a house that's 100+ years old. :lol:

They're missing out. I'm not talking about decaying Shanghai 'old apartments', think old Europe.

Also FYI that's where the real long term value in Shanghai housing is. Not in the bund view crap that's built so poorly it will need to be knocked down and rebuilt after an earthquake or two and doesn't even have proper plumbing, but in the gated old homes with gardens in the French concession you can't even see from the road.

"Shanghai alone has suffered direct economic losses of 290 billion yuan (US$35.1 billion) in the last 40 years from destructive tidal waves, floods and other surface subsidence-related disasters. "
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/200 ... 289290.htm

Live life like today is your last day, but plan to live forever. I actually just found out there was a second part to that quote last week :lol:
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby fWerrF » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:38 pm

huaidan wrote:They're missing out. I'm not talking about decaying Shanghai 'old apartments', think old Europe.


I WAS thinking Europe.
To each his own though, I personally am not feeling those old mansion/house/castle/etc etc.
For me to live comfortably, I like a new place with modern amenities.
Of course you can always overhaul the interior of an old place, but it's never the same.

Oh yeah, this is the moment usually haters come in, and say modern new place is souless, and money can't buy taste/class :lol: :lol:


huaidan wrote:Also FYI that's where the real long term value in Shanghai housing is. Not in the bund view crap that's built so poorly it will need to be knocked down and rebuilt after an earthquake or two and doesn't even have proper plumbing, but in the gated old homes with gardens in the French concession you can't even see from the road.


Yeah I know, lao yang fang (老洋房).
I know someone who owns a pimp one.
It's somewhat like the si he yuan (四合院) in Beijing, OG charm, people who love it value it, it's worth alot of money. It's great to look at it, it's great to talk about it, it's probably a bragging right for some, it should be good investment ... But for me, I will never want to live in one.
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby huaidan » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:53 pm

fWerrF wrote:Of course you can always overhaul the interior of an old place, but it's never the same.

Not the same, it's better... Have the old world charm + fiber in each room is the ideal. The problem with the new places in Shanghai is you're endlessly dealing with your neighbors renovations and neighbors period. To have a nice little gated off chunk of land smack in the middle of Shanghai is the way to do it. Tear it down and build something new on it if you want. They've been doing that on a quiet street near Tian Zi Fang and it looks amazing. I've had the Bund and Pudong views and it gets old quick. Give me a garden, a place for a BBQ and a pool.
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Re: Re:

Postby 3thbraincell » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:21 pm

fWerrF wrote:The people who were waiting to buy Manhattan at 50% are still waiting :lol:
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Re: Re:

Postby fWerrF » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:08 pm

3thbraincell wrote:
fWerrF wrote:The people who were waiting to buy Manhattan at 50% are still waiting :lol:


$258000? :lol:
Are you sure that's for Manhattan?? :lol: :lol:
Because the median price of Manhattan apartment broke 1 million USD mark long ago.

That figure is likely for New York State. Read more carefully next time.
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Postby 3thbraincell » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:28 pm

fWerrF wrote:1 million USD mark long ago.
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Postby fWerrF » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:17 pm

That's more like it.

Now, keep in mind, this is for EVERYTHING in Manhattan, across the board, including spots like Harlem :lol:
As I said, the desirable area price is firm, Soho, Tribeca, Union Square ...

Man, is there another person on this forum that lives in Manhattan (I don't mean Jersey either :lol:), it's frustrating to talk to people who ain't got any clue.
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Postby 3thbraincell » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:26 pm

fWerrF wrote:Man, is there another person on this forum that lives in Manhattan ...


So what ? Now you lives in Shanghai and you STILL CAN'T BUY anything. So, wtf we talking about ?

Did you noticed huge decline in price in 2005 ? Open your :shock: (widely).
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby fWerrF » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:06 pm

3thbraincell wrote:So what ? Now you lives in Shanghai and you STILL CAN'T BUY anything. So, wtf we talking about ?


Ok, I can't buy anything, and I have nothing.
Are you happy now? Feeling better? :lol:


3thbraincell wrote:Did you noticed huge decline in price in 2005 ? Open your :shock: (widely).


Yeah that's a pile of bullsh1t. :lol:
Find another person (that actually lives in Manhattan), and ask him if price dropped 40% in '05.
Don't believe everything you read on internet.
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Re: FAQs on purchasing real property in Shanghai, China (I)

Postby Shrek » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:25 pm

fWerrF wrote:believe everything you read on internet.


"The website currently tracks 52 million valuations throughout the United States."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zillow.com

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