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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby jakbkk » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:20 pm

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florentina wrote:
aLeGna wrote:I hope my boss comes back to the office today before I leave so I can personally hand him my resignation letter.


Good luck! I bet they'll try to change your mind.

I was just told that he won't be back today. :?

I'm not sure what to do now. It's my first time to resign. Should I just leave my resignation on his desk, and then talk to him tomorrow? Perhaps I should send him an email notification. :?: Any advice?


yes, send a FORMAL email explaining things and let me him know about your printed letter which you left at his table. then ask him what time can you discuss tomorrow. don't be shy, you're leaving anyway.
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Juan_Tamad » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:45 pm

well, yes MIss RP looks verrrrrry pretty, weird name though...shamcey supsup, sure she had a lot of namecallers in UP...
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby aLeGna » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:58 pm

Thanks po. I just sent an email, which seemed heavier (in words) than my actual resignation letter (medyo nakaka-nosebleed, lol), and my boss said we can talk about it in person tomorrow.
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Miss Fugliness » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:31 pm

lol!! any chinese would say pretty girls are from Suzhou. that is a fact.

Shenzhen ain't a city like Shanghai, it's still a "province". I'm pretty sure girls in Shenzhen probably came from other provinces too. But like I said, there are far more prettier girls in Shenzhen compared to Shanghai. Pretty may not be the correct term.. "high class" beauty. KKK or another shexpat here agree with me before as he lives there longer than I do. You will see lots of "high class" beauty there.


But if you really want to know real beauty in China, you have to go to Suzhou. It's been centuries that Suzhou girls are pretty...

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Suzhou is the most girly city in China. Some say more than half of the beauties of southern China are in Suzhou. They all have admirable pretty hands. Needless to say, Suzhou girls are most suitable to be kind, considerate and desirable lovers. Suzhou and Hangzhou are known to produce beauties, is indeed well-deserved reputation.


http://www.chinahush.com/2009/08/31/top ... ful-women/




anyways... beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.. LOL :mrgreen:
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby florentina » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:35 pm

@ Alegna - Wait you mean you haven't discussed the resignation at all prior to the letter? Wow. I resigned about 5 times in my life and the resignation letter has always been just for formality. I don't know if it's because the Philippine setting is different but I've always been able to talk to my boss about my plans. I always get a counter offer and I accepted only once (my first work), I regretted it so I never did again.

@Ms F - I do want to go to Suzhou. Don't they make quality shoes there?
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Miss Fugliness » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:37 pm

http://www.chinese10.com/regions/suhang.html

Suhang Girls: The Beauties of Suzhou and Hangzhou
Above Are The Heavens. Down Here We Have Suhang.

Suzhou is known for elegant gardens and Hangzhou for dreamlike canals, but to many the "Suhang" region is best know for its beautiful women. The Chinese say Suzhou and Hangzhou have been producing beautiful women since ancient times. They've been saying this since at least the Song Dynasty, and probably will go on saying it for another thousand years. For any who appreciate refined beauty and feminine talent, Suhang is truly heaven on earth. Or as a famous Chinese proverb declares "Above are the heavens, below are Suhang": 上有天堂,下有苏杭 (shàng yǒu tiāntáng, xià yǒu sūháng).
The Courtesans of Ancient China

XishiIn ancient times Suzhou, Hangzhou and nearby Yangzhou were known for their beautiful and accomplished courtesans. It does these women no justice to call them "prostitutes". Ancient Chinese courtesans were cultured and talented, known for far more than their beauty alone, and under the patronage of the emperors these cities became home to a very unique and special gene pool.

Wives and daughters of wealthy and powerful men could not leave home or show their educational accomplishments in public without disgracing themselves. When traveling or entertaining, men instead sought out the company of courtesans. Ancient Chinese courtesans could discuss history and literature, play music, paint, write poetry, even play Chinese chess. Some were drawn to the area by opportunity, others through lack of any other choice, but freed from the restraints binding other women and allowed to shine, many of these fabulous ladies soared to great heights in ancient Chinese society.

Although lovemaking was certainly part of their repertoire, it was not dispensed easily or to just anyone. Their patrons were the richest merchants and highest-ranking officials, and their relationships with these men could become quite complex. Some even gained the favor of the emperor himself.
modern meinuBeauty and Talent Eternal

In Suzhou today, even the daughters of average middle-class Suzhou families are known for their beauty and intelligence. Their skin is smooth, their bodies soft and slender, their eyes bright, their eyebrows slim and their noses straight. They speak softly and melodiously as sweet birdsong. Their talents and abilities show not only good breeding but also a strong culture of education and refinement. Clearly Suzhou's cultural environment is still producing outstanding beauties.

In Hangzhou, not to be outdone, official studies have been performed to prove and identify the source of their native daughters' eternal beauty. In 2004, doctors at the Hangzhou Facial Surgery Hospital studied the faces of Hangzhou beauties, and concluded that women from this region typically have oval faces. Oval faces are considered the most charming and enchanting by the people of East Asia.

Rich and Fertile Ground

Today as in ancient times Suhang weather is warm and rainy, which they say allows the women there to keep their skin smooth and pale. Long a rich and fertile agricultural region, the area is now also a center of the electronics industry and so continues to attract many successful people. And after so many centuries of attracting the beautiful and talented women of China, the influence of heredity here is obvious to anyone's eye. Suzhou and Hangzhou continue to thrive economically and culturally, and attracting the wealthy, the powerful, the famous and the beautiful. The future of Suhang is looking beautiful indeed.


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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Juan_Tamad » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:38 pm

Miss Fugliness wrote:lol!! any chinese would say pretty girls are from Suzhou. that is a fact.

Shenzhen ain't a city like Shanghai, it's still a "province". I'm pretty sure girls in Shenzhen probably came from other provinces too. But like I said, there are far more prettier girls in Shenzhen compared to Shanghai. Pretty may not be the correct term.. "high class" beauty. KKK or another shexpat here agree with me before as he lives there longer than I do. You will see lots of "high class" beauty there.


But if you really want to know real beauty in China, you have to go to Suzhou. It's been centuries that Suzhou girls are pretty...

Suzhou & Hangzhou | 苏杭

Pretty girl of humble birth
Score: 92

Suzhou is the most girly city in China. Some say more than half of the beauties of southern China are in Suzhou. They all have admirable pretty hands. Needless to say, Suzhou girls are most suitable to be kind, considerate and desirable lovers. Suzhou and Hangzhou are known to produce beauties, is indeed well-deserved reputation.


http://www.chinahush.com/2009/08/31/top ... ful-women/




anyways... beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.. LOL :mrgreen:



I agree, the girls in suzhou have very soft hands....and they know how to use it.
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Miss Fugliness » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:44 pm

florentina wrote:@ Alegna - Wait you mean you haven't discussed the resignation at all prior to the letter? Wow. I resigned about 5 times in my life and the resignation letter has always been just for formality. I don't know if it's because the Philippine setting is different but I've always been able to talk to my boss about my plans. I always get a counter offer and I accepted only once (my first work), I regretted it so I never did again.

@Ms F - I do want to go to Suzhou. Don't they make quality shoes there?



hmmmm.... no idea about shoes. quality and China just don't mix together. LOL... :lol: :lol:
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Juan_Tamad » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:50 pm

When I arrived in China..
My staff told me, that Hanghzou was a city of pretty chinese women.
We stayed over in HZ over the weekend....we went around, parks, gardens and was asking myself, which pretty girls my staff was talking about?

On my first trip to Dalian, and we stepped into the hotel, just entering the lobby.....I cant help telling myself wow.....this is a city of nice looking women

HK?...hmmmm
GZ? ..hmmmm

There is this humongous KTV in Wuning lu, near carrefour with close to 500 girls...
99.9% of them have an 8-9 rating, 80% of them are from Sichuan province.
The laoban who drank with us said, he personally did the QC of each and evry girl in his establishment to make sure they all look good.
I feel like I am in manila, we were having drinks with the chief of police of the district, a city judge and the Mafia type owner of the place....so we were treated pretty well.
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Juan_Tamad » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:54 pm

florentina wrote:@ Alegna - Wait you mean you haven't discussed the resignation at all prior to the letter? Wow. I resigned about 5 times in my life and the resignation letter has always been just for formality. I don't know if it's because the Philippine setting is different but I've always been able to talk to my boss about my plans. I always get a counter offer and I accepted only once (my first work), I regretted it so I never did again.

@Ms F - I do want to go to Suzhou. Don't they make quality shoes there?



Yeah, whats to discuss about a resignation?
You give a letter to document you are leaving, thats it.
I think I have resigned 5 times.....fired once..hehehe
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Miss Fugliness » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:57 pm

^ don't want to put down province girl here. but very few Suzhou women will be working in bars or night club. Like I said, it's the reputation they are keeping there.

If you're a frequent happy ending person in ktvs or barber shop, you will not have a chance to bed a beautiful intelligent Suzhou girl. Just like the article above, it's been centuries that they are preserving that kind of beauty and intelligence.
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby aLeGna » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:58 pm

florentina wrote:@ Alegna - Wait you mean you haven't discussed the resignation at all prior to the letter? Wow. I resigned about 5 times in my life and the resignation letter has always been just for formality. I don't know if it's because the Philippine setting is different but I've always been able to talk to my boss about my plans. I always get a counter offer and I accepted only once (my first work), I regretted it so I never did again.


Yeah, I definitely think it's different in the Philippines. For me it was the circumstances - I was very relaxed at work before (like less than 50% utilization rate) and I didn't want to talk to my boss about my plan fearing he might just tell me to leave right there and then, which I didn't want to as that's not my plan; and then, I became quite busy and my free time didn't coincide with my boss'. I couldn't find the appropriate time to approach him and discuss my options. Besides, my mind is pretty much set in stone. Now is that time when I must inform him of my resignation; otherwise, I might not be able to leave work on the day I wanted to be my last in the company.

I communicate more with my colleagues and clients in Europe than with my boss here in China. I think in the past three months, we've only spoken a handful of times. I don't know if my resignation comes as a surprise to him. I've been going to work really late in the past month and a half, I think, although I'm still working and providing top-notch quality reviews, and I'm involving myself proactively in other internal and global communications projects.
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby florentina » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:59 pm

@ Tamad - Fired? What did you do? Download too much "fluffy" on the corporate laptop and consequently compromised internet security for the entire office? Make out with your secretary in the storage room? What? What?
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby florentina » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:03 pm

Alegna, tough. So do they need 1 month notice? I hope everything goes well. I don't know what it's like to deal with a Chinese boss.
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Miss Fugliness » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:05 pm

florentina wrote:@ Tamad - Fired? What did you do? Download too much "fluffy" on the corporate laptop and consequently compromised internet security for the entire office? Make out with your secretary in the storage room? What? What?



all of the above! :mrgreen:
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Miss Fugliness » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:08 pm

@Alegna - are you in good terms with your boss here?

parang kasi may grudge sa work. just asking lang po...
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby aLeGna » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:47 pm

My boss and I are civil. I don't think we're in bad terms, but I'm not sure if we're in "good" terms either. That word is kind of ambiguous, I think.

I'm bound by contract to give a 45-day notice.

Grudge sa work? Hm, not really. I love what I do, but I honestly hate how undervalued I am here. Besides, I wasn't seeing professional growth in the company. In the past few months, things got better, but that was AFTER I have made a decision to stick with my plan that I have pushed and procrastinated over for the last couple of years. I don't want to flake on myself and delay reaching for my dreams any further. If I'm presented with a counter-offer, I'll offer my professional services as a freelance consultant. I could use the income to finance my studies and living expenses. :)


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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby florentina » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:27 pm

^Do you get yearly performance evaluations? Actually talking about it should occur more than just once a year. I can understand why you're leaving, I mean you hardly get to talk to the guy who's partly responsible for your career growth.

I really hope they offer you something better and you stay longer in Shanghai.
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Miss Fugliness » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:05 pm

^tama, that is what I was thinking because she hardly talk to her boss. The boss also needs to approach her time to time because that is his/her job. I think In China it's the other way around..Chinese boss are usually like that. Naku florentina, if you have a Chinese boss start learning to "pai ma pi" (kissing ass)... hehehehehe....
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby aLeGna » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:22 am

My lack of communication with my boss has nothing to do with my resignation. To be brutally frank and honest, it's the $$$, or the lack of it. Sure, if we have had more career-related talks, I could've had not come to this decision, but I believe things happen for a reason. Who knows what I would have become if I stayed longer in Shanghai?

Besides, I doubt they would give me what I wanted as that is unrealistic. (I took a huge pay cut for the original position I was hired for, but the account never materialized, and I ended up doing what I was doing before, which I really like, at half my going rate.) I am at peace with my decision. Never felt surer, although I admit, there are still some times when doubt creeps in, but that's more due to my fear of the uncertainty ahead of me. Quarter-life crisis much? :|

Actually, I recall having a couple of chances to air my resignation plan to my boss, but I opted not to tell him as I was getting involved in different projects, some even out of my usual work but within the scope of my field and interest. The time planned for those projects coincided with the last couple of months I wish to stay in the company and in Shanghai, and I really wanted to do those things. They would expand my horizon and look good in my résumé literally and figuratively (imagine becoming a public speaker and publishing a book in an industry still at its infancy in China 8) ). It would not make sense involving me in those projects if I would leave afterward as those are long-term periodic assignments.

My friends say that things seem to be going great for me at work and maybe I should stay, you might even say I should stay and the $$$ part will come soon enough -- yes, maybe. However, as I have said before, I have decided to stop procrastinating on reaching my dreams. Going back to school is a step forward to reaching my goals. I have decided to leave and embark on a new journey.

BTW, that one really awesome project hasn't gone through yet (it's supposed to start this week, but there's no update whatsoever).

On the bright side, I just received a copy of our company's latest internal magazine featuring no other than yours truly! :D
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Juan_Tamad » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:14 am

florentina wrote:@ Tamad - Fired? What did you do? Download too much "fluffy" on the corporate laptop and consequently compromised internet security for the entire office? Make out with your secretary in the storage room? What? What?


To make it short...my last company was loosing money due to shrinking sales, improper planning, poor sales etc.due to the economic crisis in the US. All the problems were from the U.S. side. our sales office.
We have sales people that cant sell, heheheh.
The China operations side of the business has always been efficient in taking care of the needs of sales, but if there is no sales????, so they cut a number of people in China I knew I was in the chopping board 5 years prior to that because of my salary, but they kept me. I trained all my understudy very well, so my team can really function with-out me (Rule no 1. If you want to stay put in your job in China, dont teach your understudy everything, hehehehe)
Actually, I was not surprised when they told me about it. What pissed me off was they gave me 1 month severance for 15 years of service. My laowai friends advised me to sue my company, but I cant. The amount i can get by law (there is a formula for this) is lower than my one month salary....and I have no contract thats stipulate what i can get when i leave the company. PLUS, the company has NO MONEY that time (I know, hehehe) So in my mind, 1 month is better than nothing.
I called the owner because i want to leave in good terms. He is a very proud, cocky man, and he knows he short changed me,,,Its funny that he was the one trying to avoid talking to me, Anyways, we talked,,i thanked him for giving me the opportunity to work with him,etc,etc...which was true.

fast forward,,less than a month later....One of their biggest customers who was unhappy with their US sales team invited me to Chicago (all expense paid) They wanted me to see their operations and asked me if i was interested to work for them....... I took the job. I went back to Shanghai doing the same thing i was doing before....sweet revenge at its finest, hehehe

Make out with your secretary in the storage room? hmmmm, brings back good memories in manila.hehehe, In Shanghai i did not have a secretary....so i have to make it out with our receptionist
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Juan_Tamad » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:18 am

aLeGna wrote:My lack of communication with my boss has nothing to do with my resignation. To be brutally frank and honest, it's the $$$, or the lack of it. Sure, if we have had more career-related talks, I could've had not come to this decision, but I believe things happen for a reason. Who knows what I would have become if I stayed longer in Shanghai?

Besides, I doubt they would give me what I wanted as that is unrealistic. (I took a huge pay cut for the original position I was hired for, but the account never materialized, and I ended up doing what I was doing before, which I really like, at half my going rate.) I am at peace with my decision. Never felt surer, although I admit, there are still some times when doubt creeps in, but that's more due to my fear of the uncertainty ahead of me. Quarter-life crisis much? :|

Actually, I recall having a couple of chances to air my resignation plan to my boss, but I opted not to tell him as I was getting involved in different projects, some even out of my usual work but within the scope of my field and interest. The time planned for those projects coincided with the last couple of months I wish to stay in the company and in Shanghai, and I really wanted to do those things. They would expand my horizon and look good in my résumé literally and figuratively (imagine becoming a public speaker and publishing a book in an industry still at its infancy in China 8) ). It would not make sense involving me in those projects if I would leave afterward as those are long-term periodic assignments.

My friends say that things seem to be going great for me at work and maybe I should stay, you might even say I should stay and the $$$ part will come soon enough -- yes, maybe. However, as I have said before, I have decided to stop procrastinating on reaching my dreams. Going back to school is a step forward to reaching my goals. I have decided to leave and embark on a new journey.

BTW, that one really awesome project hasn't gone through yet (it's supposed to start this week, but there's no update whatsoever).

On the bright side, I just received a copy of our company's latest internal magazine featuring no other than yours truly! :D


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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Miss Fugliness » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:21 am

^Alegna, good Luck and hope you have a pleasant exit in your company. sometimes, it's not really the job that you're getting tired of, it's the career growth and of course the $$$. Most of us wouldn't really mind the $$$ on our first few job as we are gaining our experience, but in the long run if the company we worked for don't value their employee , it's gonna be their loss.

Alegna, look on the bright side.. as you mentioned you choose this job because this is what you love to do despite that you were offered a better package somewhere else. Now that you have the years of experience in your resume and your value has gone up, I'm sure lots of company will want to hire you. Bona fortuna!!


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Ok guys.... lipat bahay na tayo.. i will ask the Mod to pin the second thread up. 5,000 posts na to. I have put all the important information on the first page of our second home for those new comers in case they will be asking about remittance, POEA and passport processing.

Let me know what else I should be adding on our new home. will reserve 3 more posts for important details...



See you in the new home!! Link here

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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Juan_Tamad » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:23 am

aLeGna wrote:My boss and I are civil. I don't think we're in bad terms, but I'm not sure if we're in "good" terms either. That word is kind of ambiguous, I think.

I'm bound by contract to give a 45-day notice.

Grudge sa work? Hm, not really. I love what I do, but I honestly hate how undervalued I am here. Besides, I wasn't seeing professional growth in the company. In the past few months, things got better, but that was AFTER I have made a decision to stick with my plan that I have pushed and procrastinated over for the last couple of years. I don't want to flake on myself and delay reaching for my dreams any further. If I'm presented with a counter-offer, I'll offer my professional services as a freelance consultant. I could use the income to finance my studies and living expenses. :)


Edited to correct a typographical error.



Did you give a notice before.?30-45 day notice is the normal practice,
BUT, If you think you are not entitled to any severance, it does not really matter...
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Re: Filipino Expats

Postby Michael » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:27 am

locking this and starting V2.. too big a thread.
If you need a decent v-p-en, pm me for one that works well.
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