Hong Kongers Sing “Locust World” Harassing Mainland Tourists

by **rickettyrabbit** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:48 pm

Commodore wrote:
Draracle wrote:I dated a wealthy HKer for 3 years, her and her family were hilariously and extremely racist towards Mainlanders. On every conceivable level.

Racist or realistic?

I experienced the same thing in HK, but not only towards mainlanders. And there's plenty of openly expressed racism in China, too. In HK, for example, the slang word for Indian means "dirty" in Cantonese. And that's how Indians are widely viewed in HK. Similarly, some in both China and HK are openly pro-Chinese in a racist way. They think nothing of speaking in front of other races about how clever and superior Chinese are.

But HK discrimination against mainlanders isn't technically racism, though I believe it has the same roots - tribalism, which is universal . . . at least as far as we know.

I think it's perfectly acceptable to discriminate against others because of their behaviour. If you don't approve of people smoking in a non-smoking area, spitting publicly, shouting in a restaurant, etc., there's no reason why you shouldn't express your disapproval in ways that aren't equally offensive.

But there are many Chinese in Shanghai who are polite, cultured and well-behaved. Some expats include all Chinese in their condemnations, not on the basis of behaviour, but simply on the basis of ethnicity. That IS racist and unacceptable, no matter who does it or to whom.

Everyone is an individual and has a right to be treated as one, on the basis of what they do and how they behave, not on the basis of their ethnicity or membership in any group.

by **Commodore** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:40 am

Everyone is an individual and has a right to be treated as one, on the basis of what they do and how they behave, not on the basis of their ethnicity or membership in any group.

100% true

by **tihZ_hO** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:19 am

Commodore wrote:
Everyone is an individual and has a right to be treated as one, on the basis of what they do and how they behave, not on the basis of their ethnicity or membership in any group.

100% true

Yep!

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"Excuse me lads, can you give me directions to the nearest ATM, I need to make a cash deposit"

There could be one or two exceptions though

by **rickettyrabbit** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:33 am

Yes.

I explained stereotypes to my nephews this way when they were 10 and 12.

Most human characteristics exist because of natural selection. Primitives who were too dumb or too slow were eaten, often before they could reproduce.

Stereotyping is common with humans, but why? It must be the result of natural selection. Here's my picture of how this happened.

Ugg and his buddy Thugg were out hunting. They came across a sabre-tooth tiger accidentally. It chased them. Thugg was slower, so he was eaten.

The next day, Ugg was out with his new buddy Glugg. Again, they saw a sabre-tooth tiger. Ugg cautioned to watch out. Glugg didn't heed his warning. Instead, he chastised Ugg for stereotyping, saying "How do you know this sabre tooth is going to eat you? The one who ate Thugg yesterday was probably deranged. It's only fair to treat each tiger as an individual".

Glugg, too, was eaten.

Ugg's descendants all inherited his propensity to stereotype, which is why you do it, too. You inherited this ability from Ugg, and now you're stuck with it.

But you can let your ability to think override your urge to stereotype whenever you can see it isn't harmful to give the individual the benefit of the doubt. But otherwise, use your Ugg sense and stay away from things that look like they might be dangerous.

by **tihZ_hO** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:51 am

rickettyrabbit wrote:Yes.

I explained stereotypes to my nephews this way when they were 10 and 12.

Most human characteristics exist because of natural selection. Primitives who were too dumb or too slow were eaten, often before they could reproduce.

Stereotyping is common with humans, but why? It must be the result of natural selection. Here's my picture of how this happened.

Ugg and his buddy Thugg were out hunting. They came across a sabre-tooth tiger accidentally. It chased them. Thugg was slower, so he was eaten.

The next day, Ugg was out with his new buddy Glugg. Again, they saw a sabre-tooth tiger. Ugg cautioned to watch out. Glugg didn't heed his warning. Instead, he chastised Ugg for stereotyping, saying "How do you know this sabre tooth is going to eat you? The one who ate Thugg yesterday was probably deranged. It's only fair to treat each tiger as an individual".

Glugg, too, was eaten.

Ugg's descendants all inherited his propensity to stereotype, which is why you do it, too. You inherited this ability from Ugg, and now you're stuck with it.

But you can let your ability to think override your urge to stereotype whenever you can see it isn't harmful to give the individual the benefit of the doubt. But otherwise, use your Ugg sense and stay away from things that look like they might be dangerous.

wabbit, I tried so damn hard not to post this however I could not stop myself...forgive me

by **rickettyrabbit** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:03 am

How the hell did you get my photo???????

by **rickettyrabbit** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:10 am

But seriously . . . and from PC World of all places . . .

Mac vs. PC: Stereotypes Confirmed
By Paul Suarez, PCWorld Apr 23, 2011 1:48 PM

It's unscientifically official. PC users are more lame than their Mac-using counterparts.

An unscientific survey by Hunch, a website that makes custom predictions based on your interests, shows that PC users tend to prefer fitting in with others, are less tech savvy, and prefer Hollywood films over indie films. The same survey suggests Mac users tend to throw more parties, are modern art enthusiasts, and would rather drive a Vespa than a Harley.

Looks like that four-year-long, 66-commercial "Get a Mac" campaign had some truth to its stereotypes.

In case you forgot, the commercials pinned a nerdy-looking, suit-wearing John Hodgman as a PC against a younger and supposedly cooler Justin Long as a Mac. (The irony of that whole campaign for me was that Justin Long played a nerdy, wimpish cheerleader in 2004s Dodgeball and an equally nerdy hacker in 2007's Live Free or Die Hard.)

Hunch was able to arrive at its conclusions by asking its user base if they self identified as a Mac or PC person. It then looked their answers to various other interest-related questions and grouped them with answers from other users that identified themselves the same way.

It's a gold mine of stereotypes.

CNN's Brandon Griggs said of the survey in his article, "The results suggest Mac users can be seen, depending on your perspective, as bolder and more creative -- or elitist and more pretentious."

Couldn't say it better myself.

Before I go any further, I should note that I self identify as a PC person, even though I use a Mac most of the time at work. Like Hunch's data suggests of PC users, I live in the suburbs, seldom throw parties, am not a fan of modern art and enjoy the occasional lolcat.

And don't think the irony is lost that this article is appearing on PC World, not Macworld.

Here are a few other notable differences between Apple and PC fanboys:

- Apple users are 80 percent more likely to be vegetarian than PC users.
- PC users' soft drinks of choice are Pepsi, Jolt Cola and Orange Crush.
- Apple users prefer San Pellegrino Limonata and Boylan's Root Beer.
- Apple fans get their news from 60 Minutes, The Daily Show and The Colbert Report.
- PC users watch The Rachel Maddow Show, Newshour with Jim Lehrer and 20/20.

Make sure to stop by Hunch's blog to check out the rest of the data packaged in an infographic made by Column Five Media.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/226150/m ... irmed.html

by **tihZ_hO** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:18 pm

rickettyrabbit wrote:But seriously . . . and from PC World of all places . . .

Mac vs. PC: Stereotypes Confirmed
By Paul Suarez, PCWorld Apr 23, 2011 1:48 PM

It's unscientifically official. PC users are more lame than their Mac-using counterparts.

An unscientific survey by Hunch, a website that makes custom predictions based on your interests, shows that PC users tend to prefer fitting in with others, are less tech savvy, and prefer Hollywood films over indie films (WTF?). The same survey suggests Mac users tend to throw more parties, are modern art enthusiasts, and would rather drive a Vespa :shock: than a Harley.

Looks like that four-year-long, 66-commercial "Get a Mac" campaign had some truth to its stereotypes.

In case you forgot, the commercials pinned a nerdy-looking, suit-wearing John Hodgman as a PC against a younger and supposedly cooler Justin Long as a Mac. (The irony of that whole campaign for me was that Justin Long played a nerdy, wimpish cheerleader in 2004s Dodgeball and an equally nerdy hacker in 2007's Live Free or Die Hard.)

Hunch was able to arrive at its conclusions by asking its user base if they self identified as a Mac or PC person. It then looked their answers to various other interest-related questions and grouped them with answers from other users that identified themselves the same way.

It's a gold mine of stereotypes.

CNN's Brandon Griggs said of the survey in his article, "The results suggest Mac users can be seen, depending on your perspective, as bolder and more creative -- or elitist and more pretentious."

Couldn't say it better myself.

Before I go any further, I should note that I self identify as a PC person, even though I use a Mac most of the time at work. Like Hunch's data suggests of PC users, I live in the suburbs, seldom throw parties, am not a fan of modern art and enjoy the occasional lolcat. (Thank god wabbit!!)

And don't think the irony is lost that this article is appearing on PC World, not Macworld.

Here are a few other notable differences between Apple and PC fanboys:

- Apple users are 80 percent more likely to be vegetarian than PC users.
- PC users' soft drinks of choice are Pepsi, Jolt Cola and Orange Crush.
- Apple users prefer San Pellegrino Limonata and Boylan's Root Beer.
- Apple fans get their news from 60 Minutes, The Daily Show and The Colbert Report.
- PC users watch The Rachel Maddow Show, Newshour with Jim Lehrer and 20/20.

Make sure to stop by Hunch's blog to check out the rest of the data packaged in an infographic made by Column Five Media.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/226150/m ... irmed.html

wabbit

I highlighted the important points

and once again...I could not stop myself...sorry

In summery

Have you ever met a gay person who DIDN'T have a Mac??

by **rickettyrabbit** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:48 am

I don't know any gay people well enough to know what kinds of computers they use. But I wouldn't be surprised if Macs are over-represented in the gay community. And why not? Apple products look good. :lol:

Anyway, as the French say, vive la difference!

by **Shinbone** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:34 am

This whole "debate" strikes me as a marketing campaign to elevate the whole industry of personal computing. Getting people to strongly identify with their doodads and make them into something more than what they are - cans and string.

No brand is irreplaceable.

by **rickettyrabbit** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:44 am

It's Apple's ad agency tapping into tribalism and envy. "If you don't have an iPhone, well, you just don't have an iPhone!"

Nobody can beat Madison Avenue at manipulating the masses. This kind of advertising wouldn't work with PCs because they lack the "high differentiation" enjoyed by Apple.

by **tihZ_hO** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:09 am

rickettyrabbit wrote:I don't know any gay people well enough to know what kinds of computers they use. But I wouldn't be surprised if Macs are over-represented in the gay community. And why not? Apple products look good.

Anyway, as the French say, vive la difference!

im-a-mac-im-a-pc.jpg

Ya, both are good mate

The Apple / PC flames are all fun and games until someone pokes their eye out

by **rickettyrabbit** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:15 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple decided to "own" the tablet and smart phone sector and gradually backed away from the Mac OSX. Already a few signs of this in OS Lion. Maybe users of "real" computing will all use PCs in the future, and those who need a net/email/entertainment appliance will use tablets and i-devices. We'll see.

by **tihZ_hO** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:49 pm

rickettyrabbit wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Apple decided to "own" the tablet and smart phone sector and gradually backed away from the Mac OSX. Already a few signs of this in OS Lion. Maybe users of "real" computing will all use PCs in the future, and those who need a net/email/entertainment appliance will use tablets and i-devices. We'll see.

Funny you should say this as there has been some articles on exactly that Apple could do this, abandon the PC er... computer market and Mac users.

by **KopyKatKiller** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:20 pm

rickettyrabbit wrote:Yes.

I explained stereotypes to my nephews this way when they were 10 and 12.

Most human characteristics exist because of natural selection. Primitives who were too dumb or too slow were eaten, often before they could reproduce.

Stereotyping is common with humans, but why? It must be the result of natural selection. Here's my picture of how this happened.

Ugg and his buddy Thugg were out hunting. They came across a sabre-tooth tiger accidentally. It chased them. Thugg was slower, so he was eaten.

The next day, Ugg was out with his new buddy Glugg. Again, they saw a sabre-tooth tiger. Ugg cautioned to watch out. Glugg didn't heed his warning. Instead, he chastised Ugg for stereotyping, saying "How do you know this sabre tooth is going to eat you? The one who ate Thugg yesterday was probably deranged. It's only fair to treat each tiger as an individual".

Glugg, too, was eaten.

Ugg's descendants all inherited his propensity to stereotype, which is why you do it, too. You inherited this ability from Ugg, and now you're stuck with it.

But you can let your ability to think override your urge to stereotype whenever you can see it isn't harmful to give the individual the benefit of the doubt. But otherwise, use your Ugg sense and stay away from things that look like they might be dangerous.

Complicated... Simply put; Stereotypes are necessary for the human brain to operate, without them, we'd be incapable of thought. If I say "chair", a stereotypical chair is the image that pops into your brain. Even though that image may be nothing like the one you are currently sitting on, it shares common characteristics, 4 legs, a back, and a seat. When I say "Chinese person", a stereotypical image pops into your brain. Although none of the people you meet in the street may fit it perfectly, you recognize them (here) as all being Chinese carrying common characteristics. Stereotyping is not wrong, it's necessary.

The problem crops in when you define a group of people by negative traits of the few and then make all who you meet of that group fit into your stereotype perfectly. Canadians are clean, friendly, and polite. Chinese are dirty, rude, and not to be trusted. Every Chinese person I meet fits my image and so does every Canadian. These are not healthy stereotypes.

But one could say something like, honesty is not valued in Chinese society, therefore most Chinese are dishonest and not to to be trusted. Or, cleanliness is not valued in Chinese society, therefore most Chinese are dirty and smelly. These are not racist, but realistic.

^^This type of thinking is very beneficial Like, most large mammals with fur, claws, and sharp teeth will eat me, therefore I should stay away from these kinds of animals.

by **rickettyrabbit** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:50 am

I partly agree, but would add a minor rider that changes things a lot.

Like Ugg, I avoid fangs and claws for obvious reasons. I discriminate against grizzly bears by assuming all of them will try to eat me if the opportunity arises. Of course, that's unfair to those who are only curious, but the harm in misjudging the intentions a benign grizzly is much less than the harm in misjudging the intentions of a man-eater.

In cases where the risk of harm is high, or the risk is low but the consequences are high, I follow the stereotype. Where the risk is low, or where the consequences are minor, I treat people as benign unless or until I have evidence to the contrary.

I ask two questions about stereotypes.

1. What is the real probability of each individual fitting the stereotype?

Example: how many Chinese at Expo were really cutting into queues? I did my own informal count (what else can you do standing in line for hours?) and found the percentage of line crashers is actually very low - around 5 to 10%. That's 90 to 95% NOT line crashers.

2. If the stereotype proves to be true in this case, what harm is likely?

When the harm is low, I treat people as though they don't fall into the stereotype until I have evidence to the contrary.

This makes it a lot easier to avoid looking for - and therefore often finding - reasons to stereotype people.

by **rickettyrabbit** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:54 am

tihZ_hO wrote:
rickettyrabbit wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Apple decided to "own" the tablet and smart phone sector and gradually backed away from the Mac OSX. Already a few signs of this in OS Lion. Maybe users of "real" computing will all use PCs in the future, and those who need a net/email/entertainment appliance will use tablets and i-devices. We'll see.

Funny you should say this as there has been some articles on exactly that Apple could do this, abandon the PC er... computer market and Mac users.

If they do so, I think the "strategic bet" underlying this decision would be that the power of tablets will grow to the point where MOST people won't really need a REAL computer - they'll need a communication and information management appliance.

Most computer owners today don't really need 95% of what a computer can do. Why not make your business producing the appliance that these dullards need? :lol:

I think I'll go calculate a few multiple linear regressions . . .

. . . quick, while I still remember what they're for. :lol:

by **littlemissrock** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:39 pm

everybody knows that mainlanders all suck

by **bigroh74** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:47 pm

littlemissrock wrote:everybody knows that mainlanders all suck

I didn't know that. So, wrong again.

by **tihZ_hO** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:06 am

littlemissrock wrote:everybody knows that mainlanders all suck

Not all of them, not like all Americans shop at Wal*Mart (chuckle)

by **rickettyrabbit** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:38 am

littlemissrock wrote:everybody knows that mainlanders all suck

I don't think everyone knows this. Maybe you should enlighten us with your evidence of "all" and "suck"?

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