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is india facing a crisis like southeastern asia in 97?

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is india facing a crisis like southeastern asia in 97?

Postby palominocn » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:53 am

An 18 percent slide in the value of the rupee since July is adding to a growing worry of economic crisis in the country as stubbornly high inflation ties the hands of the central bank from easing policy to try to turn a grim economic outlook.


Data on Wednesday showed wholesale prices, the main gauge of inflation in India, rose 9.11 percent in November from a year earlier. That showed inflation actually fell from 9.73 percent in October thanks to a sharp pull back in food price pressures.


The risk is that a plunging rupee will be seen by investors as reason enough to pull capital out of the country, adding yet more downward pressure on the currency and setting off a balance of payments crisis.


Now, analysts say India will struggle to grow even 7 percent, a sharp drop from 8.5 percent in 2010/11.

Such forecasts were supported by data on Monday showing India's industrial output slumped more than 5 percent in October from a year earlier, far worse than expected and the first fall in over two years.


Headline inflation has been above 9 percent for 12 consecutive months despite 13 rate increases since March 2010 that have lifted the repo rate -- the policy rate -- to a three-year high of 8.5 percent from 4.75 percent.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/14/india-economy-idUSL3E7NE57V20111214

as i have said before, wall street need a pillage to write off the over-issued dollar and over-blown bonds. but the two possible targets, china and germany, are very vigilant. so wall street turns its eye on india, a vulnerable country easy to be attacked by currency war.

let's check this graph:
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since 2009, large quantities of american hot money run into india(most of the money is actually america's QE money, of course they also run into china, leading to the inflation. dumbruno, i said QE money lead to inflation in emerging countries, never said it could prick the real estate bubble), india's rupee appreciated, from 1:55 to 1:44.

at the same time, india's inflation reached more that 20 percent in the peak time. so india's policy rate is at 8.5%. the currency appreciated 20%, and the interest rate is 8.5%, that means hot money can get 30% profit in one year.

let's check india's economic situation. india's industrial output slumped more than 5 percent in october from a year before. india government run a high budget deficit, relying on hot money's inflow. india's foreigh currency reserve is limited, so they do not dare to interfere the market to stop the rupee's sliding.

with hot money flowing out of india more quickly, i see a disastrous economic crisis is waiting for india.

who is the prime culprits? no doubt they are those greedy wall street speculators who launch currency war everywhere.
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Re: is india facing a crisis like southeastern asia in 97?

Postby Gay_Chevara » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:02 am

Don't forget that India also has a problem with the disparity between male:female ratio, a huge problem with the gap between rich and poor, housing prices rising to ridiculous levels, etc etc etc....

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Re: is india facing a crisis like southeastern asia in 97?

Postby btb » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:11 am

but they can change the govt if they don't like it.

what u gonna do palo ???
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Postby KopyKatKiller » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:24 pm

When things are going in the sh*tter at home, point to foreign country's problems eh P-man... I mean China Daily?
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Re: is india facing a crisis like southeastern asia in 97?

Postby palominocn » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:29 pm

btb wrote:but they can change the govt if they don't like it.

what u gonna do palo ???


china is very different from india.

china is ready for this currency war. about one years ago, zhou xiaochun, banker of central bank, said china was building a pool to hold the hot money. china's $3.2 trillion forx reserve and 21% bank reserve rate are enough to resist any hot money outflow. that's why rmb actually appreciate a little while hot money continues to flow out.

unlike india, whose rupee appreciated about 20% from 2009-2010, rmb only appreciated about 7% in two years. interest rate stays at about 3%, real estate price has stop growing since 2010. hot money actually has nearly no profit, considering hot money need cost to enter china because of capital control in china.

what i gonna do ?

i am here watching the game played by america. india is still poor, so the money robbed by america is still not enough to write off over-issued dollar and over-blown debts. no doubt fight between america and germany will continue. stay tuned........
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Postby KopyKatKiller » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:40 pm

^^China will continue to drop reserve requirements, will spend another massive stimulus fund (debt0, and inflation will start to rise again... A currency war would sink China at the moment.
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Postby rickettyrabbit » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:51 pm

palominocn wrote:
btb wrote:but they can change the govt if they don't like it.

what u gonna do palo ???


china is very different from india.

china is ready for this currency war. about one years ago, zhou xiaochun, banker of central bank, said china was building a pool to hold the hot money. china's $3.2 trillion forx reserve and 21% bank reserve rate are enough to resist any hot money outflow. that's why rmb actually appreciate a little while hot money continues to flow out.

unlike india, whose rupee appreciated about 20% from 2009-2010, rmb only appreciated about 7% in two years. interest rate stays at about 3%, real estate price has stop growing since 2010. hot money actually has nearly no profit, considering hot money need cost to enter china because of capital control in china.

what i gonna do ?


Stop believing in conspiracy theories and start learning about economics.

China's economy is in trouble.

True, it's not like India.

It's like China.

With every province indebted like Greece.

With tremendous industrial overcapacity, and its biggest customers unwilling to buy.

With too much municipal debt and developer debt.

With too much bad debt on banks' balance sheets.

With too many businesses over leveraged in real estate development.

With land auctions failing, even in China's hottest cities.

With young people thinking apartments will have to drop by 50% before they're willing to buy.

With real estate companies closing down. With prices of new apartments dropping.

It's not India.

It's China. The real China.
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Re: is india facing a crisis like southeastern asia in 97?

Postby btb » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:57 pm

palominocn wrote:
china is ready for this currency war.
about one years ago, zhou xiaochun, banker of central bank, said china was building a pool to hold the hot money.


building a pool to hold hot money

one cann't make this **** up.

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Re: is india facing a crisis like southeastern asia in 97?

Postby palominocn » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:01 pm

China will continue to drop reserve requirements, will spend another massive stimulus fund (debt0, and inflation will start to rise again... A currency war would sink China at the moment.
of course reserve requirement rate will continue to drop, the rate is more reasonable at about 10%. stimulus is already on the way, such as high speed rail, irrigation projects, low-rent house.

currency war will sink china? do you know america's M2 is only about $8 trillion dollar. how can hot money win $3.2 trillion dollar? the only way to win is to sell all the foreign fixed assets investment. then china will just print the rmb to buy this assets. ok, rmb collapse, but all the foreign assets belong to china.

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Postby rickettyrabbit » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:39 pm

^ And nobody but Chinese internet posters and a few Chinese economists understand that "currency wars" is what macroeconomics is really about, right?

Currency wars fans the flames in the hearts of angry young men and believers in conspiracy theories. It is popular in China, but nowhere else. Why do you think that is, Palo?
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Re: is india facing a crisis like southeastern asia in 97?

Postby Brun0 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:07 pm

Currency wars fans the flames in the hearts of angry young men and believers in conspiracy theories. It is popular in China, but nowhere else. Why do you think that is, Palo?


Lack of sex obviously.

Or of a penis, for that matter....
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Postby palominocn » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:44 pm

rickettyrabbit wrote:^ And nobody but Chinese internet posters and a few Chinese economists understand that "currency wars" is what macroeconomics is really about, right?

Currency wars fans the flames in the hearts of angry young men and believers in conspiracy theories. It is popular in China, but nowhere else. Why do you think that is, Palo?


song's currency war is actually inspired by the money master, an american movie which, to some extent, lead to the "occupy wall street prοtest".

if you still don't view the movie, here is a link:http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/kh3ln0jZhD0/
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Postby rickettyrabbit » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:26 pm

So you base your economic theories on a book inspired by an American movie. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You do realize that real economists - that is, people who don't have their heads up their asses - have reviewed the book and said it's tripe, don't you?

Well, anyway . . . I have an investment idea for you. Flux capacitors. See, you could get an old Delorean and go back in time, where you could invest in Walmart, Microsoft, Yahoo, Google and Apple at the right times, and . . .

But then you wouldn't be in Kansas any more. And those ruby slippers would be a dead giveaway. :shock:
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Postby Brun0 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:41 am

rickettyrabbit wrote:So you base your economic theories on a book inspired by an American movie. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You do realize that real economists - that is, people who don't have their heads up their asses - have reviewed the book and said it's tripe, don't you?

Well, anyway . . . I have an investment idea for you. Flux capacitors. See, you could get an old Delorean and go back in time, where you could invest in Walmart, Microsoft, Yahoo, Google and Apple at the right times, and . . .

But then you wouldn't be in Kansas any more. And those ruby slippers would be a dead giveaway. :shock:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby palominocn » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:19 pm

rabbit, you think all movies are fictitious, never understand one type of movie is called documentary?
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Re: is india facing a crisis like southeastern asia in 97?

Postby palominocn » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:35 pm

back to topic, the case in india is a typical currency war, let's use these two graphs to explain.

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during the first half of 2009, the time when american QE policy was implemented, large quantities of american hot money sneaked into india, most of the money was invested in stock market. india rupee appreciated from 1:52 to 1:44, india stock market rise from 8000 to more than 20000.

during the second half of 2010 and the first half of 2011, american hot money began to sneak out of the india. they win a large quantities of money. during the second half of 2011, hot money outflow accelerated, beating rupee to 1:54 and stock index to 16000.

wall street has used the same way to rob the wealth of japan and southeastern asia. all the economies robbed by america would stagnate for a long time.
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Postby rickettyrabbit » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:49 pm

And you think these graphs indicate a currency war? Palo, you're dreaming. They can be "explained" any number of ways. And your explanation is barely above a primary school understanding of the markets.

How can you tell from the Indian stock market graph that it is "American money"? How much of it was Chinese, European, and Indian?

Do Indians have the opportunity to buy and sell just like anyone else? How is playing the stock market and losing the same as "being robbed"?

What happened to Japan was that, like so many in China, they fell prey to "irrational exuberance". Too many started believing that they "couldn't lose". Just like so many Chinese think China's economy will never go down, and apartment prices are "forever".

Currency war? No. Smart people legally fleecing stupid people. And not all the smart fleecers were American, nor were all the stupid fleeced sheep Indian.
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Re: is india facing a crisis like southeastern asia in 97?

Postby Brun0 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:01 pm

Yeah but then you are preventing him from creating the opportunity of someone being a victim of the west.


In case you didnt know, all the drivers of the tanks in TA Square were american. THEY ran over the chinese students. And the tanks were russian!
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Postby KopyKatKiller » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:21 pm

^^And here I thought the tanks and drivers were the evil Japanese... learn something new everyday! I guess I shouldn't send that letter to Zhang Yimo of my great idea for his next propaganda film huh???
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Postby rickettyrabbit » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:42 pm

palominocn wrote:rabbit, you think all movies are fictitious, never understand one type of movie is called documentary?


I think "Money Masters" doesn't deserve to be classified as a documentary. Here's a review of it.

"If, and I mean if and only if, you are the kind of individual who appreciates grand claims, exaggerations, and the general feeling of being misinformed then you might find this "documentary" to be a mild appeasement of your taste. If, by some unfortunate turn of events, you, like myself, stumbled across this documentary on a search for a FACTUAL based analysis of the federal reserve system, then this author would suggest you make an about face and avoid this video.

Others who have chosen to give this product a 1 star rating, I imagine partly for lack of there being a zero star option, find themselves asking more question post 3 and half hours of what can only be surmised to be a one man's slanderous rant on the banking industry. Here is a list of a few of the issues I had with this "documentary":

1) hearsay was on multiple occasions presented as historical fact,

2) the narrator's bias against the current federal reserve banking system was highly detectable,

3) the argument presented in the narrative relies largely on excerpts of letters, speeches, and news articles dating back hundreds of years; each of which can easily be taken out of context.

The latter of the three being the most problematic given the fact the without these excerpts the narrator's arguments become baseless opinions. In conclusion, this video is not suitable for use of any sort, except maybe as a beverage coaster."


Send me your copy and I promise to use it as a beer coaster.
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