madeinhksar wrote:I found the survey when I was searching news related to Hong Kong in Baidu.
Latest news about a survey by Hong Kong Sing Tao Newspaper,dated 7/12
But again, it is simiplified chinese version becoz hk news are not directly accessible in China.
http://www.hinews.cn/news/system/2011/1 ... 2332.shtml
The survey result is:
Hong Kong males' Unfathful rate is 26 %
USA males' unfaithful rate is around 10%

I try to search English version of the news and found another news.It is in English.
A recent survey showed unfaithful rate ranking in Asia.
http://news.insing.com/tabloid/local-wo ... d-e81d3f00
Woman Unfaithful rate:
No.1 Japan
No.2 Singapore
Man Unfaithful rate:
No.1 Hong Kong and Singapore

And I read another news in HK recently, survey showed every one of four Hong Kong married guys who work in Central has affairs.
I am a bit surprised by the high unfaithful rate of Hong Kong guys..........
I always thought HK guys are more loyal than US guys, but the survey shows what I thought is wrong.

amy0512 wrote:

madeinhksar wrote:I found the survey when I was searching news related to Hong Kong in Baidu.
Latest news about a survey by Hong Kong Sing Tao Newspaper,dated 7/12
But again, it is simiplified chinese version becoz hk news are not directly accessible in China.
http://www.hinews.cn/news/system/2011/1 ... 2332.shtml
The survey result is:
Hong Kong males' Unfathful rate is 26 %
USA males' unfaithful rate is around 10%

I try to search English version of the news and found another news.It is in English.
A recent survey showed unfaithful rate ranking in Asia.
http://news.insing.com/tabloid/local-wo ... d-e81d3f00
Woman Unfaithful rate:
No.1 Japan
No.2 Singapore
Man Unfaithful rate:
No.1 Hong Kong and Singapore

And I read another news in HK recently, survey showed every one of four Hong Kong married guys who work in Central has affairs.
I am a bit surprised by the high unfaithful rate of Hong Kong guys..........
I always thought HK guys are more loyal than US guys, but the survey shows what I thought is wrong.

Hi, Sarah: Don't trust this kind of news because it is not reliable at all.
Durex always puts survey online, and anybody can click and submit.
There is no scientifc sampling.
There is no control of IP.
In some places, people don't care this kind survey or no internet for ordinary people.
Becasue is is anonymous, people make up cases. In social sciences, nobody trusts it and uses this kind of data to back up argument. It is used for journalist for fun and for their article.

Shinbone wrote:My opinion is that it relates with a lack of individualism, and so there's not that intimacy with a discrete integrated entity, "soul" if you will. No intimacy in a culture, no soul mate role, nothing but bureaucratic transactions. Naturally with marriage's longterm requirement, the marriage convenience comes out in the wash.

Gotta hand it to some religions - whether one subscribes to it or not (or which) - on a purely abstract level, it preserves individualism rather handily, compared with the fatalistic arbitrary randomness of atheism/animism/pantheism etc.

There is a Japanese saying that would seem to account for the mundanity of marriage in Eastern cultures, among so many other things: "Nothing is true. All is permitted." (Which just so happens to excuse all manner of behaviors and oppressions).

When people are perceived as nothing more than objects, what is marriage besides a business transaction - a right to estate? A domestic arrangement? How can it be a meeting of the souls?

Conversely - people who believe in only one soul mate for them on the planet have clearly not gotten out much. This is romanticism taken to extreme - a fairy tale and why you don't marry in your twenties (let alone teens). A bit like getting a tattoo.

Which may explain why many people report their second marriages as being so much better than their first ones.

And why Chinese weddings are pandemonious rites with little decorum. And why such marriages may lack the staying power bolstered by intimacy. Which may result in "immoral" divorce, or the "moral" open marriage where anything goes, so long as its "face" is preserved. Marriage - merger, more like.

(Me, I'd rather embrace soul as an abstraction and be wrong, than the excuse of that saying).

madeinhksar wrote:I dont believe the survey much as I still think foreign guys' unfaithful rate is higher than asian guys.

Gay_Chevara wrote:^ Hey that's the longest post I've seen you write.

Usually it's just a gif and three words.

madeinhksar wrote:I dont believe the survey much as I still think foreign guys' unfaithful rate is higher than asian guys.
And, some people are unfaihful to their partner even they love their partner.
One of my Hong Kong fd, he is getting married with his 5-yrs gfd a few months later but he still go clubbing and has one night stand.He told me he loves his gfd so much.And mentally, he is loyal. He is just physically not loyal.

Gay_Chevara wrote:^ Hey that's the longest post I've seen you write.

Usually it's just a gif and three words.

HaroldTheIronmonger wrote:

Gay_Chevara wrote:^ Hey that's the longest post I've seen you write.

Usually it's just a gif and three words.

Smileys counts as words?

amy0512 wrote:Hi, Sarah: Don't trust this kind of news because it is not reliable at all.
Durex always puts survey online, and anybody can click and submit.
There is no scientifc sampling.
There is no control of IP.
In some places, people don't care this kind survey or no internet for ordinary people.
Becasue is is anonymous, people make up cases. In social sciences, nobody trusts it and uses this kind of data to back up argument. It is used for journalist for fun and for their article.

tylerdurden wrote:

amy0512 wrote:Hi, Sarah: Don't trust this kind of news because it is not reliable at all.
Durex always puts survey online, and anybody can click and submit.
There is no scientifc sampling.
There is no control of IP.
In some places, people don't care this kind survey or no internet for ordinary people.
Becasue is is anonymous, people make up cases. In social sciences, nobody trusts it and uses this kind of data to back up argument. It is used for journalist for fun and for their article.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Desperately scrambling for face-saving rationalisation, much?

rickettyrabbit wrote:

madeinhksar wrote:I dont believe the survey much as I still think foreign guys' unfaithful rate is higher than asian guys.

Why? What evidence do you have?

btb wrote:

Shinbone wrote:My opinion is that it relates with a lack of individualism, and so there's not that intimacy with a discrete integrated entity, "soul" if you will. No intimacy in a culture, no soul mate role, nothing but bureaucratic transactions. Naturally with marriage's longterm requirement, the marriage convenience comes out in the wash.

Gotta hand it to some religions - whether one subscribes to it or not (or which) - on a purely abstract level, it preserves individualism rather handily, compared with the fatalistic arbitrary randomness of atheism/animism/pantheism etc.

There is a Japanese saying that would seem to account for the mundanity of marriage in Eastern cultures, among so many other things: "Nothing is true. All is permitted." (Which just so happens to excuse all manner of behaviors and oppressions).

When people are perceived as nothing more than objects, what is marriage besides a business transaction - a right to estate? A domestic arrangement? How can it be a meeting of the souls?

Conversely - people who believe in only one soul mate for them on the planet have clearly not gotten out much. This is romanticism taken to extreme - a fairy tale and why you don't marry in your twenties (let alone teens). A bit like getting a tattoo.

Which may explain why many people report their second marriages as being so much better than their first ones.

And why Chinese weddings are pandemonious rites with little decorum. And why such marriages may lack the staying power bolstered by intimacy. Which may result in "immoral" divorce, or the "moral" open marriage where anything goes, so long as its "face" is preserved. Marriage - merger, more like.

(Me, I'd rather embrace soul as an abstraction and be wrong, than the excuse of that saying).

It goes back to basic instinct and the % depends on ease and availability which comes from social environment.

Lets compare men from same country living in home and in hk/sh

What's the unfaithful rate ? Is it same or is it increased.

Is education, culture, morals makes the difference or under similar social environment the behavior not much different ??


well there is always an excuse for doing stuff here -- TIC

Shinbone wrote:For that matter, define what is cheating . . .

Shinbone wrote:

btb wrote:

Shinbone wrote:My opinion is that it relates with a lack of individualism, and so there's not that intimacy with a discrete integrated entity, "soul" if you will. No intimacy in a culture, no soul mate role, nothing but bureaucratic transactions. Naturally with marriage's longterm requirement, the marriage convenience comes out in the wash.

Gotta hand it to some religions - whether one subscribes to it or not (or which) - on a purely abstract level, it preserves individualism rather handily, compared with the fatalistic arbitrary randomness of atheism/animism/pantheism etc.

There is a Japanese saying that would seem to account for the mundanity of marriage in Eastern cultures, among so many other things: "Nothing is true. All is permitted." (Which just so happens to excuse all manner of behaviors and oppressions).

When people are perceived as nothing more than objects, what is marriage besides a business transaction - a right to estate? A domestic arrangement? How can it be a meeting of the souls?

Conversely - people who believe in only one soul mate for them on the planet have clearly not gotten out much. This is romanticism taken to extreme - a fairy tale and why you don't marry in your twenties (let alone teens). A bit like getting a tattoo.

Which may explain why many people report their second marriages as being so much better than their first ones.

And why Chinese weddings are pandemonious rites with little decorum. And why such marriages may lack the staying power bolstered by intimacy. Which may result in "immoral" divorce, or the "moral" open marriage where anything goes, so long as its "face" is preserved. Marriage - merger, more like.

(Me, I'd rather embrace soul as an abstraction and be wrong, than the excuse of that saying).

It goes back to basic instinct and the % depends on ease and availability which comes from social environment.

Lets compare men from same country living in home and in hk/sh

What's the unfaithful rate ? Is it same or is it increased.

Is education, culture, morals makes the difference or under similar social environment the behavior not much different ??


well there is always an excuse for doing stuff here -- TIC

Great points, BTB. Needs to be broken down. For that matter, define what is cheating - thought or act (gee, what shall I bet on in Face cultures vs Substance cultures).

Based purely on anecdote, consider whether a bride and groom would prefer a) an ordained minister b) a white minister in the cultures in question.

watchbagdvd wrote:

madeinhksar wrote:I dont believe the survey much as I still think foreign guys' unfaithful rate is higher than asian guys.
And, some people are unfaihful to their partner even they love their partner.
One of my Hong Kong fd, he is getting married with his 5-yrs gfd a few months later but he still go clubbing and has one night stand.He told me he loves his gfd so much.And mentally, he is loyal. He is just physically not loyal.

You are associating fidelity with being in a single marriage/relationship throughout one's life (irrespective of screwing around behind their partner's back).... That's soooo Chinese of you...

btb wrote:

Shinbone wrote:

btb wrote:

Shinbone wrote:My opinion is that it relates with a lack of individualism, and so there's not that intimacy with a discrete integrated entity, "soul" if you will. No intimacy in a culture, no soul mate role, nothing but bureaucratic transactions. Naturally with marriage's longterm requirement, the marriage convenience comes out in the wash.

Gotta hand it to some religions - whether one subscribes to it or not (or which) - on a purely abstract level, it preserves individualism rather handily, compared with the fatalistic arbitrary randomness of atheism/animism/pantheism etc.

There is a Japanese saying that would seem to account for the mundanity of marriage in Eastern cultures, among so many other things: "Nothing is true. All is permitted." (Which just so happens to excuse all manner of behaviors and oppressions).

When people are perceived as nothing more than objects, what is marriage besides a business transaction - a right to estate? A domestic arrangement? How can it be a meeting of the souls?

Conversely - people who believe in only one soul mate for them on the planet have clearly not gotten out much. This is romanticism taken to extreme - a fairy tale and why you don't marry in your twenties (let alone teens). A bit like getting a tattoo.

Which may explain why many people report their second marriages as being so much better than their first ones.

And why Chinese weddings are pandemonious rites with little decorum. And why such marriages may lack the staying power bolstered by intimacy. Which may result in "immoral" divorce, or the "moral" open marriage where anything goes, so long as its "face" is preserved. Marriage - merger, more like.

(Me, I'd rather embrace soul as an abstraction and be wrong, than the excuse of that saying).

It goes back to basic instinct and the % depends on ease and availability which comes from social environment.

Lets compare men from same country living in home and in hk/sh

What's the unfaithful rate ? Is it same or is it increased.

Is education, culture, morals makes the difference or under similar social environment the behavior not much different ??


well there is always an excuse for doing stuff here -- TIC

Great points, BTB. Needs to be broken down. For that matter, define what is cheating - thought or act (gee, what shall I bet on in Face cultures vs Substance cultures).

Based purely on anecdote, consider whether a bride and groom would prefer a) an ordained minister b) a white minister in the cultures in question.

What is cheating in relationship ???
How I define shouldn't matter to anyone except to the person I am in relationship with.

Its between 2 adults what should be accepted in their relationship.
Better to keep it that way.

Morality is drawing line in a sand.
Society has kept erasing and redrawing it, making more of a convenience than a value.

1+1=2
3+3=6

Is it different OR Same sh1t different times ??

Let me quote Bush

Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning "from" history

watchbagdvd wrote:

madeinhksar wrote:I dont believe the survey much as I still think foreign guys' unfaithful rate is higher than asian guys.
And, some people are unfaihful to their partner even they love their partner.
One of my Hong Kong fd, he is getting married with his 5-yrs gfd a few months later but he still go clubbing and has one night stand.He told me he loves his gfd so much.And mentally, he is loyal. He is just physically not loyal.

You are associating fidelity with being in a single marriage/relationship throughout one's life (irrespective of screwing around behind their partner's back).... That's soooo Chinese of you...