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Narnia

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Postby acujerjer » Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:21 pm

I just saw The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe today on the big screen and thought it was one of the most beautiful movies I've ever seen in my life! Almost identical to the book, besides a few minor alterations.

If you know that Aslan represents Christ, this movie will be even more powerful for you. It really moved me. An excellent job by Disney! Too bad CS Lewis couldn't see it.
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Postby GC » Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:26 pm

I was wary of seeing it as the books played quite a memorable role in my childhood but afterwards i was glad i did. Visually i think they got it spot on and i look forward to seeing the rest of them.

And a word to parents. If you want your kids to read books that take them on a magical journey whilst at the same time introducing them to well written material, then ditch the crap written by JK Rowlings and let CS Lewis take over.
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Postby Trix77 » Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:31 pm

Hey AJJ, I grew up reading those books meself. Honestly I was terribly disappointed. I thought Susan's character was very badly cast (she was really irritating) and although Peter's still young and hasn't come to terms with his 'King of Narnia' role, he also looked like a sissy.
I liked the other characters and Neeson as Aslan's voice though... however, I dunno why, but this movie didn't kick me in the gullet like LOTR...
Maybe all that magic was sitting in my head ever since I was a little kid and I was just expecting to feel it....
I'm no Christian, but I do know the whole CS Lewis, Tolkien legend... are you religious by any chance (despite all ur other shenanigans)?
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Postby GC » Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:35 pm

I agree about the casting Trix but if you look at the time it will take to make them all then I would assume the actors will mature and the audience will become more comfortable with them.
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Postby acujerjer » Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:40 pm

No I am not religious nor am I Christian, but familar with the New Testament.

The book isn't anywhere;'s near as powerful as Tolkein's stuff. The book is an easy kid's book and is very easy reading. Lord of the Ring's is quite the endeavor. The Characters were good for the first movie? ?film made it as epic as it can be. But without thinking of the other books, don't you think the characters were good?
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Postby Trix77 » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:52 pm

Yeah maybe as the sequels keep popping up and the characters mature, we'll get used to them.
I just got extremely pissed off with Susan's character. I suppose her overly bee-stung lips were too distracting. The again, maybe she was actually playing true to her role as the 'mother-hen' elder sis.

Agree with AJJ that Narnia is nowhere as intense as JRR's epics...

Hey I know it's British, but did any of you grow up on William (Richmal Crompton)? I still go back to reading some of them!
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Postby milf » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:50 pm

It's amazing how a movie can be psycho-analysed to bits and be associated with biblical characters. Last time i heard such, was for the Matrix! hahaha

Anyway, Narnia is more for the young at hearts.... after all, it's Walt Disney
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Postby Kiwi » Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:39 pm

I was very impressed with the Narnia film.

Saw it and King Kong while back in NZ over Chirstmas and Narnia was by far the better movie. Peter Jackson has gone off the rails a bit I reckon. His first LOTR was good, but he overused the computer generated graphics to put everything onto this expic scale (getting chased through Moria by thousands of computer generated orcs is not true to the book and is actually far less exciting to watch than getting chased by a couple of dozen non coputer generated ones). Kong was similar. The dinosaur stampede scene went on far too long and contained far too many 'near misses' to be exciting. You just get bored with it. No finesse at all.

In comparison Narnia was fantastic. Directed on a far more human scale. Very true to the books. I wasn't expecting to enjoy it much but it really surprised me.

Yeah, I read William too as a kid and funilly enough I picked up a copy while back in NZ and was rereading it for the first time in years. Guess the Narnia movie got me all sentimental about childhood books or something. Found it very enjoyable to go back to.

But the children's book I enjoyed most was the Box of Delights. Fantastic book. Maybe I just liked the evil bishops (I've always hated the church). Forget the author's name now.
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Postby acujerjer » Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:28 pm

milf:
"It's amazing how a movie can be psycho-analysed to bits and be associated with biblical characters. "

No the movie is based on a book with Christian references. It is a fact not some weird pipe dream. CS Lewis is a Christian writer.

Kiwi the problem with LOTR, was the book was so much Tolkein's brain, and that can't be shown on the big screen by having fancy battles and cute little elves. You have to read Tolkein's writing style. It hink they were good movies, but I don't know if Tolkein would have liked them. They left out the key theme of the books which was the dilema which was:
By destroying the ring, the elves lose their magic, but evil dies. By keeping the ring, elves keep their magic, but Sauron lives. Therefore, the destruction of the ring, is the moving on from the 3rd age into the 4th age. The movement from Elves (nature) to man (technology).

Narnia is a much simpler story and for the first book, I thought the movie was perfect! Beautiful!
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Postby milf » Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:53 pm

Not exactly sure what it means by christian references. Did Lewis specifically point out that Christ was represented by Aslan in the story? And who was Judas and the other biblical characters?

acujerjer wrote:No the movie is based on a book with Christian references. It is a fact not some weird pipe dream. CS Lewis is a Christian writer.
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Postby acujerjer » Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:04 pm

Milf what are you arguing this for? Use your head! Everyone knows this for the past 60 years. Go to www.amazon.com and search CS LEWIS. He has much more books on Christianity than Narnia. Aslan is purposely meant to represent Jesus. It was intentional. He wanted to use Christian themes in his book, and have kids relate to Christ through a fun kid's story. It isn't one for one biblical. He just uses Christian themes. Yes, intentional. There is even a book that discusses the Narnia meaning. Go to amazon.com.
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Postby giraffine » Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:11 pm

For sure C.S. wanted to show the distinctions between right and wrong, to encourage good morals such as honesty, chivalry, loyalty, forgiveness, friendship, and there are consequences for actions, whether good or bad, it??s a turn-away from relativism and "situational ethics". But again many other Disney movies too for that matter, which can be found as concepts in many other children's stories.

I still believe the movie is visually stunning, and faithful to the text without slavish devotion.

C.S. was a well-known Christian, meanwhile he was also a scholar. He said (forgot the original words, sorry) that every religion has a creation myth and a sacrifice/rebirth story. The most Christian episode of the film is probably the sacrificial death and resurrection scene of Aslan, the crux of the allegory.

My complaint?- how violent and long the battle was...

Enjoyed the music.
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Postby acujerjer » Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:16 pm

Uh,let's see. The savior of the world knowingly sacrifices himself in order to save humanity. He is resurrected to conquer evil. CS Lewis has many many Christian books and was a born again. These are 100% Christian themes. Just non-dogmatic. It isn't rocket science.

Read this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/158134 ... oding=UTF8
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Postby acujerjer » Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:19 pm

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Postby acujerjer » Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:25 pm

But yeah, he said something about looking past the the dragon. I think he used Christian themes but wanted the story to be all encompassing for everyone.
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Postby milf » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:29 pm

Who's arguing except you? Lighten up, mr righteous christian. If I had to search the net for every answer, why would I need this forum, u think?

Do you want me to start searching the net if the Warchowski brothers are christian too for the Matrix trilogy?

And if a book is meant to be christian reading because a writer is christian, 'nuff said.


acujerjer wrote:Milf what are you arguing this for? Use your head! Everyone knows this for the past 60 years. Go to www.amazon.com and search CS LEWIS. He has much more books on Christianity than Narnia. Aslan is purposely meant to represent Jesus. It was intentional. He wanted to use Christian themes in his book, and have kids relate to Christ through a fun kid's story. It isn't one for one biblical. He just uses Christian themes. Yes, intentional. There is even a book that discusses the Narnia meaning. Go to amazon.com.
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Postby acujerjer » Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:53 am

What I am arguing is that you think someone later on put Christian metaphors to CS Lewis's writings. But what you are not getting, is that CS Lewis, intentionally wanted to write a Christian book. The Wachowski brothers don't go to church every Sunday and are not devout Born Again Christians like CS Lewis was. In Borders Bookstore here there is a huge CS Leiws section in the Christian literature section. C.S. Lewis wasn't some guy dropping acid and smoking weed going "Hey dude, lets make a trippy book with Jesus stuff man!" He believed in the Christ story, and made a fiction story composed of 7 books to illustrate Christianity, disguised in a fairy tale, and yet wanted it to be much more.

Not anything like The Matrix.

If you still don't understand what I am writing then you have problems.
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