Marakanis wrote:The problem with smokers is, they can't tell how awful their smoking is to others. If you're smoking anywhere inside a building, it's going to affect others. Window open or not. Hell, with a fan in your face blowing the smoke out the window, somehow it still gets around. It's like when you're driving with a smoker friend, and they try to be helpful by rolling down the window so the smoke "goes out" but instead it swirls around the entire car and makes everything smell like smoke.

Yeah, smokers can't tell. They're inhaling that crap directly, so a little bit of extra smoke isn't going to be noticeable to them. But it really pisses off non-smokers. =P

BONNIE wrote:I don't see why not.

In fact all over the world restaurant and bar business might improve if you get the smokers back in.

KopyKatKiller wrote:According to CNN, some of Shanghai's smoke filled bars and restaraunts are in fact cleaner than the smoke filled air outside. So go figure... If people don't ike smoke, they shouldn't come to China I guess.

http://www.cnngo.com/shanghai/drink/how ... ink-827767

PS many "smoke free" restaraunts will provide you with an ashtray if you ask.

KopyKatKiller wrote:According to CNN, some of Shanghai's smoke filled bars and restaraunts are in fact cleaner than the smoke filled air outside. So go figure... If people don't ike smoke, they shouldn't come to China I guess.

http://www.cnngo.com/shanghai/drink/how ... ink-827767

PS many "smoke free" restaraunts will provide you with an ashtray if you ask.

KopyKatKiller wrote:^^As a smoker, I don't really acre if I'm allowed to smoke or not. I've lived in many smoke free cities, but I also drink more coffee or alcohol if I'm allowed to smoke and that's good for business. So there's a trade off. Do non smokers drink more alcohol/coffee when in a smoke free environment, I wonder...

BONNIE wrote:nothing gets me more up-tight than one of these healthy joggers "flapping" past my outside table while I am enjoying my coffee and fag and listening to the birds early morning - pick up your feet for God's sake...

paulinshanghai wrote:So what is the real policy with smoking in bars/restaurants.

Had another top meal at kaiba and a group of locals were smoking, but then were told to stop. Big tick for Kaiba, but at the Camel a group were smoking right next to me and noone stopped them.

So are there exceptions for different places?

anter wrote:Non smoking but not often enforced. Smokers outside. Smokers in special rooms. Smokers at the bar as usual.
I want to go to a night club, dance club and not breath smoke filled air.

MoonOverMiami wrote:Take a picture of the smokers in the restaurant, send it to the health bureau and hope they will fine the restaurant big for non-compliance.

Butchery_shanghai wrote:Hi all,

there is a place in Pudong called Yasmine's Steakhouse.
The whole restaurant is a non - smoking place, so go and check it out.

Good self promotion Yasmine- but your meats do that well enough

Restaurant smoke law gets tougher

RESTAURANTS will be considered entirely tobacco-free if the owners don't separate smoking and non-smoking areas, according to a new rule to tighten smoking control in local eateries.

The rule requires restaurants larger than 150 square meters or that have over 75 seats to set up smoking and non-smoking areas. Those failing to do so will face punishment, officials said yesterday as a spot check was carried out citywide.

Fourteen restaurants and two individuals have been fined 28,100 yuan (US$4,460) so far this year for violating the city's first anti-tobacco law, which bans smoking in 13 types of places like hospitals and kindergartens and requires establishment of smoking and non-smoking areas in middle-sized and large restaurants, said officials from the Shanghai Health Promotion Commission.

Officials said they carried out enforcement actions with different targets this year. By September, the city had fined 48 business venues and six individuals for breaking the anti-smoking law.

"The new rule is to make the law more feasible and give restaurants stronger pressure on smoking control," said Gu Xiping from Shanghai Health Promotion Commission.

She said the commission has informed all local restaurants big enough to come under the new law. Restaurants smaller than 150 square meters or 75 seats are not covered by the local anti-smoking law.

"A unified smoking-control sign with the official complaint hotline 962727 has also been distributed recently," Gu said.

During yesterday's spot check, most restaurants said they were aware of the new rule and had carried out necessary measures.

Officials of Heji and Yue-you restaurants in Minhang District said both had put out signs to alert customers.

"We have three business floors," said an official identified as He of Yueyou Restaurant. "The first and third ones are public eating areas, which ban smoking completely, while the second floor is VIP rooms where guests can smoke."

Health officials also visited some restaurants that failed to pass the previous checks. Mengxiangcun Restaurant on Qixing Road has improved while Ayingbao on Zhongyi Road still has not, they said.

Although there was a ventilation system in Ayingbao, the smoking and non-smoking areas were connected, making non-smokers exposed to smoke and poor air quality.

Officials claimed they would impose punishment if the restaurant didn't make any progress next time.