Organic beef in Shanghai?

by **GF999** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:39 pm

Hi all,

Was wondering if anyone knew where i can buy organic beef in Shanghai? I have checked out the various organic supermarkets/online delivery services, all of them only sell organic veggies, pork and chicken. But no beef. I went to city super and it was the same, the closest thing they had was Australian grass fed beef. How come you can find organic everything BUT beef here, is there no demand for it? Or are these special import problems? i'm no expert but i imagine if they can import grass fed beef from australia they can also import organic, plus the extra cost for certification?

Thanks!

by **maximus1** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:32 pm

who sells organic chicken and pork?

I've seen elders sells grass fed beef - not sure on 'organic'

by **Humac** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:00 pm

Organic pork can be had from Fields.
http://www.fieldschina.com

by **GF999** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:44 pm

Both fields and city super sell organic chicken and pork. But no one seems to sell beef... Or is grass fed beef the same as organic beef? Is there no market for organic beef here?

by **js.2011.04** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:12 pm

GF999 wrote:is grass fed beef the same as organic beef?

No.

"It’s important to remember that grassfed is not the same as organic. Natural food stores often sell organic beef and dairy products that are hormone- and antibiotic- free."

"Just as organic does not mean grass-fed, grass-fed does not mean organic. Pastured animals sometimes graze on land that has been treated with synthetic fertilizers and even doused with herbicides. Unless the meat label specifically says it is both grassfed and organic, it isn’t."

http://www.johnrobbins.info/blog/grass-fed-beef/

by **Business_Catte** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:42 pm

i have got organic beef with many vegan rappers

by **johnny_tropicana** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:17 am

GF999 wrote:Both fields and city super sell organic chicken and pork. But no one seems to sell beef... Or is grass fed beef the same as organic beef? Is there no market for organic beef here?

Beef is an uncommon commodity in China. I am working on changing that.

by **GF999** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:54 pm

johnny_tropicana wrote:
GF999 wrote:Both fields and city super sell organic chicken and pork. But no one seems to sell beef... Or is grass fed beef the same as organic beef? Is there no market for organic beef here?

Beef is an uncommon commodity in China. I am working on changing that.

What are you working on?

by **johnny_tropicana** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:10 am

GF999 wrote:
johnny_tropicana wrote:
GF999 wrote:Both fields and city super sell organic chicken and pork. But no one seems to sell beef... Or is grass fed beef the same as organic beef? Is there no market for organic beef here?

Beef is an uncommon commodity in China. I am working on changing that.

What are you working on?

Been in negotiations in Beijing with my partner and the powers that be
for permission to rent a large plot of land to raise cattle on.

by **bigroh74** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:19 am

johnny_tropicana wrote:
GF999 wrote:
johnny_tropicana wrote:
GF999 wrote:Both fields and city super sell organic chicken and pork. But no one seems to sell beef... Or is grass fed beef the same as organic beef? Is there no market for organic beef here?

Beef is an uncommon commodity in China. I am working on changing that.

What are you working on?

Been in negotiations in Beijing with my partner and the powers that be
for permission to rent a large plot of land to raise cattle on.

The beef you produce couldn't be classified as organic for many years to come though, right? From memory, it takes at least five years in the UK for land to be in a state where anything produced on it could qualify as organic.

by **GF999** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:35 pm

johnny_tropicana wrote:
GF999 wrote:
johnny_tropicana wrote:
GF999 wrote:Both fields and city super sell organic chicken and pork. But no one seems to sell beef... Or is grass fed beef the same as organic beef? Is there no market for organic beef here?

Beef is an uncommon commodity in China. I am working on changing that.

What are you working on?

Been in negotiations in Beijing with my partner and the powers that be
for permission to rent a large plot of land to raise cattle on.

that's very interesting...is your plan to raise "organic" or "grass fed" beef? You think there's a large enough market to recuperate your investment?

by **johnny_tropicana** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:34 am

Truth is that it has been a battle from every angle as we would be bringing in
breeding stock that is already certified as organic and grass fed, so as to sooth
the powers that be. Very expensive proposition so far, fruitless to date.
1.3 billion mouths to feed, profitable, no. But for a good cut of beef here....

by **tihZ_hO** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:12 pm

Organic is the Apple of food, expensive with a religious following

by **maximus1** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:06 am

tihzo - check out 'omnivore's dilemma' or 'eating animals'. organic is a subjective label, making it meaningless sometimes. but once you actually understand factory farming - you'll adjust your habits. if the practices are disgusting in the US (where those authors do their research), you could only imagine what's on our plates over here.

Yasmine's - butcher shop in jinqiao and on xiangyang. the guy was saying to check out their uraguay beef - no hormones, no antibiotics, and grass fed (but not certified organic).

by **tihZ_hO** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:18 pm

maximus1 wrote:tihzo - check out 'omnivore's dilemma' or 'eating animals'. organic is a subjective label, making it meaningless sometimes. but once you actually understand factory farming - you'll adjust your habits. if the practices are disgusting in the US (where those authors do their research), you could only imagine what's on our plates over here.

Yasmine's - butcher shop in jinqiao and on xiangyang. the guy was saying to check out their uraguay beef - no hormones, no antibiotics, and grass fed (but not certified organic).

My ex-brother in law was a wheat farmer and grazier, my other ex-brother in law grew cotton and corn. I think I know :lol:

by **Butchery_shanghai** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:21 am

Try the guys from Yasmine's Butchery. They have a huge range of imported chicken, pork, beef and lamb.
The Shop in Puxi is on Xiang Yang bei Lu 93, close to changle lu or in Pudong on Biyun Lu 178, close baihua lu. They also make cold cuts and sausages by themself

by **krm9999** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:38 pm

I went there to visit the irish butcher ( as reported here on a different thread a few months ago )

actually he is a kiwi ( NZ )

the beef was beautiful, the lamb was luscious, the pate perfect

overall a very pleasant change from the crap you normally get here. Yasimes is a place not to missed. Price wise its about the same as we pay back home.

by **GF999** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:49 pm

johnny_tropicana wrote:Truth is that it has been a battle from every angle as we would be bringing in
breeding stock that is already certified as organic and grass fed, so as to sooth
the powers that be. Very expensive proposition so far, fruitless to date.
1.3 billion mouths to feed, profitable, no. But for a good cut of beef here....

Yeah i hear you...probably cheaper to just import the beef rather than raise the cattle in China

by **disconbobulated** » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:15 am

Im sure you can find some ORGASMIC BEEF at the GAY Bar......

by **johnny_tropicana** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:06 am

GF999 wrote:
johnny_tropicana wrote:Truth is that it has been a battle from every angle as we would be bringing in
breeding stock that is already certified as organic and grass fed, so as to sooth
the powers that be. Very expensive proposition so far, fruitless to date.
1.3 billion mouths to feed, profitable, no. But for a good cut of beef here....

Yeah i hear you...probably cheaper to just import the beef rather than raise the cattle in China

The problem is that you cannot bring Beef from the Americas since the mad cow scare
some years back, you cannot get Kobe beef (this may have changed recently) and Australian
beef, while still beef, really is average, and missing something.

by **tihZ_hO** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:36 am

johnny_tropicana wrote:
GF999 wrote:
johnny_tropicana wrote:Truth is that it has been a battle from every angle as we would be bringing in
breeding stock that is already certified as organic and grass fed, so as to sooth
the powers that be. Very expensive proposition so far, fruitless to date.
1.3 billion mouths to feed, profitable, no. But for a good cut of beef here....

Yeah i hear you...probably cheaper to just import the beef rather than raise the cattle in China

The problem is that you cannot bring Beef from the Americas since the mad cow scare
some years back, you cannot get Kobe beef (this may have changed recently) and Australian
beef, while still beef, really is average, and missing something.

What is wrong with Aussie Beef?? You must be getting the shitty cuts if you think there is something "missing" with it.

Really, cannot get Kobe beef?? :shock:

There is a steak house about 10 minutes walk from my apartment compound which offers Kobe beef.

China is doing what it can to protect its own industry.

As I said before, its a stretch to believe any Chinese certification for anything, especially if there is money involved

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