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I strongly suggest someone that if someone wants to know the things from his friend, he can directly to ask his friends about it in somewhere, but it's very silly to post all his questions in internet to fool around himself,over~~~~~~

Boomark shut up. You are the exact kind of person that I want to stay away from. Always looking for handouts from foriegners. Its you who don't have the brain to be INDEPENDENT. Instead of relying on mommy and daddy all the time. Or at 35 still living with your parents. Quit sucking on the tit and take responsibility and be nice and pay a meal for a guy sometime. For sure I will never ask a Chinese woman out on a date again.

I guess I'll ba jacking myself off but hey maybe I can buy a house.

Seems that I hurt you and thus I made you lose your rag, guy. Please don't be that hysteric and desperate. you have striked me that you are the man after Chinese girls. Actually, I once got a foreign girl and I've paid that. I'm just confused why don't you shut your blablabla up!!!
And by the way, be gentle on your words. I'm a man of fragile emotion

@ bloomark and nathalie, do you realise that no one here can ever understand what you are trying to say. ever.

@ bloomark and nathalie, do you realise that no one here can ever understand what you are trying to say. ever.

Okay, what I was trying to say is that it is unreasonable to be so naivete and simple in mind when you are getting along with BEAUTIFUL Chinese girls, especially BEAUTIFUL Shanghainese girls, most of them are much of the material girls and will never HOOK UP with you without any Expenditure from you. And Western girls are not that material.
If you don't really understand what I am saying this time, you can pack up and go home.

jettt wrote:@ bloomark and nathalie, do you realise that no one here can ever understand what you are trying to say. ever.

Hence, there are a lot of "yeahs" and "overs"...

So far, I think the topic of this thread should be: Pay, man, pay!

now you've realized it bloomark!

This is the best thread ever, its a shame people stopped posting on it. I am a foreigner who has invited several chinese girls out and paid for dinner, however I will only pay the first time. I am an intern here and earn less money than the average chinese person so all the people I take out are richer than me. However, I like to think I am a gentleman and will offer to pay the first time. If I ask a girl out again I will honestly ask her to pay for her share as they have more money than me and I cant afford to keep paying for them, I think is justified.

I have been asked a few times by Chinese girls and one took me out to a very expensive restaurant and told me to pay, I never saw her again. Same thing happened with another girl who asked me out but she asked to split the bill. Why is it ok for her to ask to split it but not me?

I hear women moan about equality but so many of them are too traditional. I took a foreign girl out and she offered to split the bill immediately. I believe the first time I take a girl out I should pay but after that all dates should be split, if they're not she's not worth the time or money.

Also if a girl asks a guy out and then ask's him to pay to hell with that b*****

The guy always has to pay. Always.

If you haven't figured this out yet, you are a child.

why does the guy always have to pay? can you please explain the reasoning behind it what makes women so ****** special that they dont have to pay when a lot of them b**** about equal rights? how is this equal and fair?

timhortons09 wrote:I took a foreign girl out and she offered to split the bill immediately.

one thing i've noticed: for those mainland chix who end up paying either their half or the entire bill when it was the guy who (presumably) asked them out, this is a very strong sign she aint interested.

they usually do this when the guy is off to the restroom. they ask the waitress/waiter for the bill, and promptly pay it before the guy gets back.

8lrr8 wrote:

timhortons09 wrote:I took a foreign girl out and she offered to split the bill immediately.

one thing i've noticed: for those mainland chix who end up paying either their half or the entire bill when it was the guy who (presumably) asked them out, this is a very strong sign she aint interested.

they usually do this when the guy is off to the restroom. they ask the waitress/waiter for the bill, and promptly pay it before the guy gets back.

That's harsh. If this happens to you, then you've been completely dissed.

timhortons09 wrote:why does the guy always have to pay? can you please explain the reasoning behind it what makes women so ****** special that they dont have to pay when a lot of them b**** about equal rights? how is this equal and fair?

Sigh... Does this really need explaining?

Look at a woman. See how beautiful, delicate and desirable she is? She is the most attractive object that God ever put on the earth. There is NOTHING you will ever come across in your life that is a higher form of beauty.

Once you have chosen one of these impossible creations to ask out for a date, you have publicly acknowledged that you want to put your parts with her parts. And you want to do this more than she could ever possibly imagine.

Now look at us men. We are a living joke. Horrible bumps and lumps and dangly bits everywhere. Swaying pendulous bellies, hair everywhere, strange flat asses. Even the best of us look like the rejected attempt at making something better. If it were shop class we'd be the pile of broken ashtrays that didn't even make it as presents for Mom.

Now in this situation - Who do you think is holding all the cards?

You pay man. Just pay and thank Christ that she is even willing to consider putting her mouth anywhere near your bits.

Chavster wrote:The guy always has to pay. Always.

If you haven't figured this out yet, you are a child.

Even if they are "just friends"?

I sometimes don't know what to do or how to react exactly (or properly), whether it's a [romantic] date or a "friendly" hanging out. I'm one of those ladies who offer to pay or split the bill, but it's not (mainly) because of equality. It's more like, I tend to feel like I'm being "bought" if the guy pays (like, all the time), and that kind of puts a pressure on me. On the other side, though, I know that some guys really want to pay - it's like in respect or courtesy to the woman; plus, it makes them feel more of being the man, which I don't mind (because I can be intimidating in a lot of ways already...lol).

I've had guy friends with whom I never spent a dime whenever we go out together, and they never complained about it.

Chavster wrote:That's harsh. If this happens to you, then you've been completely dissed.

i agree. my gf and i have seen it twice. felt bad for the guy once he got back from the john. the mood of their convo did a complete 180 as a result.

aLeGna wrote:

Chavster wrote:The guy always has to pay. Always.

If you haven't figured this out yet, you are a child.

Even if they are "just friends"?

I sometimes don't know what to do or how to react exactly (or properly), whether it's a [romantic] date or a "friendly" hanging out. I'm one of those ladies who offer to pay or split the bill, but it's not (mainly) because of equality. It's more like, I tend to feel like I'm being "bought" if the guy pays (like, all the time), and that kind of puts a pressure on me. On the other side, though, I know that some guys really want to pay - it's like in respect or courtesy to the woman; plus, it makes them feel more of being the man, which I don't mind (because I can be intimidating in a lot of ways already...lol).

I've had guy friends with whom I never spent a dime whenever we go out together, and they never complained about it.

Yes, Even it it's only a "friends" lunch or dinner. The reason?

You have friends don't you? Friends that you may mention this "date" to a a later time.

Same goes if its your wife's friends, mother, etc... I can't think of a single situation in which it's appropriate for the woman to pay. Mabye if she's taking her son out for his birthday? A group of college friends going AA at a bowling alley maybe. But then this wouldn't be in the dating section would it?

As a man - you always pay. Just deal with it. Enjoy it.

Because after all, taking a woman out and treating her is one of life's joys isn't it?

^^ Ok, but I'm not a man...

So, is there anything wrong (in a guy's perspective, or at least, yours) if I offer, and sometimes insist, to pay or go Dutch?

I don't really have a problem when a guy pays. In fact, I like it when one does: it makes me feel more like a "lady", but sometimes I just can't help but feel like I'm being "bought".

There is probably not one "right" answer for this...as the custom of who pays and what is "polite" depends on many factors.
Age, nationality, upbringing, personal preferences and inclinations....

I am an old American guy, and was raised in a very "proper and polite" household....

I was taught at an early age that a gentlemen always opens a door for a lady, stands out of politeness whenever a lady enters or leaves the room, never wears a hat indoors, and when walking down the street, always walks on the outside towards the curb. A throwback to the old days of dirt streets, a man walked on the outside so any mud being splashed by a passing vehicle would splash the man, not the lady.
(And yes...there were cars, not horses and buggies, when I was young.

And a gentlemen ALWAYS pays......

aLegna...I now suffer from the opposite of your problem occasionally.
You feel "bought"....I always offer to pay, and occasionally women interpret that to mean I am "looking for something"...

Which is far from the truth....except of course when I am buying dinner for Mrs P1ATL10, but that usually involves paying for the dinner plus a couple of hours of begging. Another story..

But in the "younger generation"...I have noticed a lot more of the kids going Dutch and splitting the bill.

No one right answer....for my generation though, you always offer to pay. Which I will continue doing.

And with the exception of Skyline, Fids, mat, the Pure Blonde Beer girl, and the Walrus....it does not necessarily mean I am looking for anything*...



* Before you guys go all gay on me....what I am looking for is a reciprocal beer. Well, and maybe a smile from the Blonde girl ....truth be told!

I'm a blond girl...

aLeGna wrote:^^ Ok, but I'm not a man...

So, is there anything wrong (in a guy's perspective, or at least, yours) if I offer, and sometimes insist, to pay or go Dutch?

I don't really have a problem when a guy pays. In fact, I like it when one does: it makes me feel more like a "lady", but sometimes I just can't help but feel like I'm being "bought".

Nothing really wrong with being the type of girl who wants to pay half, or treat the guy once in a while. But the guy should never let this happen

You should NEVER be made to feel like you owe something. That's an insecure man doing the bill paying. Look - there's a whole range of confusion around these things nowadays. Mostly because guys got fooled in the 80s and 90s into thinking that it's a complicated issue. What should happen is this -

When the bill comes the guy quickly and efficiently pays it, in a way that offers no doubt that he's picking it up. No hesitation, fumbling around, furtive looks or any other nonsense. He does it a way that leaves no room for negotiation. If necessary there may be brief discussion over "picking it up next time" blah blah blah. Not going to happen. And the KEY is that he does it with an air of knowledge that "Yes I am going to pay and yes it is inevitable." Like gravity or sunsets.

And he must do it with pleasure. Because in truth it gives him pleasure to spend his money on a beautiful girl/friend/wife, whatever.

Too many guys blow it because they look like chumps paying a cheque. Once that happens, even though you've paid and done the right thing you still come off like a tosspot.

Sorry chavster but I completely disagree, I was once asked out by a chinese girl who then told me to pay the bill in a posh restaurant where i spent 1/4 of my months wage on dinner and I wasnt even full.

Issues of equality and being 'bought' put aside for me most often than its a case of money and I simply dont have it. I have been out many times on a date with girls where I have asked them out and they offer to pay, I will always offer to pay half but I have had girls pay me many a time, simply because they have more money than me and they are aware of my situation. I do not feel a shred of guilt and accept with open arms and I will evenitably return the favour one day but when I make less money than all the girls I take out and they still expect me to pay for everything to hell with them.

Gold-diggers, no matter the 'level', will always attract the same thing: a guy that will objectify them.

The sooner women figure out that the bait they're using catches a specific prey, they will understand why their relationships fail when they change the rules of the game past the courtship. Until then, let the games continue.

8lrr8 wrote:

timhortons09 wrote:I took a foreign girl out and she offered to split the bill immediately.

one thing i've noticed: for those mainland chix who end up paying either their half or the entire bill when it was the guy who (presumably) asked them out, this is a very strong sign she aint interested.

they usually do this when the guy is off to the restroom. they ask the waitress/waiter for the bill, and promptly pay it before the guy gets back.

And thats why Korean girls are great. They pay the bill while your taking a slash and then take you back to theirs.

during last 7 or 8 months, I just paid more 4000 rmb on meeting some brazilian man in those malones and annversary of Shexpatand coffee meetings or Cuvee, so but some brazilian man just wanna sex with me, so I stopped any meeting from this week, I just wish someone could get his real sex desires from another girls in his futures~~~

Chavster wrote:
When the bill comes the guy quickly and efficiently pays it, in a way that offers no doubt that he's picking it up. No hesitation, fumbling around, furtive looks or any other nonsense. He does it a way that leaves no room for negotiation. If necessary there may be brief discussion over "picking it up next time" blah blah blah. Not going to happen. And the KEY is that he does it with an air of knowledge that "Yes I am going to pay and yes it is inevitable." Like gravity or sunsets.

Yes. If you're paying then yes, definitely this is the way it goes.

But look at poor Timmy's situation- guy can't afford to pay (and the girl knows this before they go out).

There is a brief window between being fcking and earning that you've got to take into account

Yes. If you're paying then yes, definitely this is the way it goes.

But look at poor Timmy's situation- guy can't afford to pay (and the girl knows this before they go out).

There is a brief window between being fcking and earning that you've got to take into account

I prefer the go dutch rule for meeting or the dating in here, cause at least, no one tells others that you owe someone some money in those date or meetings in your futures~~

lucar wrote:I'm a blond girl...

Like this?

Marry me!!!!

Like this?

Marry me!!!!

Too late, if you said these words in 2006 or in 2007, then you would be the most intellective man in town, but now, nothing can be changed, good luck, when you once get your real love with your young and sexy girl in there, I will greet and congratulate you for that in my next second, take care, I know we will get our friendship forever in our rests, cheers~~~~