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Amazing satellite images of China's ghost cities

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Amazing satellite images of China's ghost cities

Postby huaidan » Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:25 pm

http://www.businessinsider.com/pictures ... show-start

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2010/12 ... st-cities/
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"allegedly over 64 million brand new vacant apartments in China, enough to house over 200 million people"

"That is to say: these aren’t cities we’re looking at, but bank vaults wherein the houses have become abstract capital’s physical manifestation"

"‘Who wants to be the mayor who reports that he didn’t get 8% GDP growth this year? Nobody wants to come forward with that. So the incentives in the system are to build. And if that’s the easiest way to achieve that growth, then you build.’ "

"attests to this as fact, stating that though he wants to move into Ordos, one of the cities in question, the cost would be so high that despite nearly the entire city being vacant he’s unable to afford it."

Looking forward to a few years from now when I can get together a few friends and buy my own town :lol:
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Re: Amazing satellite images of China's ghost cities

Postby phiota » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:54 am

No wonder that Gold has risen so much. Not sure though that China's wasteful spending has been as bad as many other countries (ie US with War/Cash for clunkers/Unemployment Spending...), at least this is something that might be of use a few years down the road.
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Re: Amazing satellite images of China's ghost cities

Postby tihZ_hO » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:11 am

phiota wrote:No wonder that Gold has risen so much. Not sure though that China's wasteful spending has been as bad as many other countries (ie US with War/Cash for clunkers/Unemployment Spending...), at least this is something that might be of use a few years down the road.


You mean like a property bubble collapse? :lol: Seriously for people to live there means its value has to wound back and if you do that then...

China is spending furiously on public works to maintain the GDP however this cannot go on forever...

China is inherently unstable. Whenever it opens its borders to the outside world, the coastal region becomes prosperous, but the vast majority of Chinese in the interior remain impoverished. This leads to tension, conflict, and instability. It also leads to economic decisions made for political reasons, resulting in inefficiency and corruption. This is not the first time that China has opened itself to foreign trade, and it will not be the last time that it becomes unstable as a result. Nor will it be the last time that a figure like Mao emerges to close the country off from the outside, equalize the wealth--or poverty--and begin the cycle anew. There are some who believe that the trends of the last thirty years will continue indefinitely...

...China is a country the United States will be trying to bolster and hold together as a counterweight to the Russians. Current Chinese economic dynamism does not translate into long-term success.

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Re: Amazing satellite images of China's ghost cities

Postby phiota » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:08 pm

Just saw this today....http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/18/world ... wanted=all

Newly Built Ghost Towns Haunt Banks in Spain
By SUZANNE DALEY and RAPHAEL MINDER

YEBES, Spain — It is a measure of Spain’s giddy construction excesses that 250 row houses carpet a hill near this tiny rural village about an hour by car outside of Madrid.

Most of these units have never sold, and though they were finished just three years ago, they are already falling into disrepair, the concrete chipping off the sides of the buildings. Vandals have stolen piping, radiators, doors — anything they could get their hands on.

Those few families who live here keep dogs to ward off strangers.

Yebes is hardly unique. The wreckage of Spain’s once booming construction industry is everywhere. And much of it sits as bad debt on the books of Spain’s banks, which once liberally offered financing to developers and homeowners alike.

Just how big a loss the banks are facing is unknown, at least publicly, and that has investors worried — the cost of financing Spain’s debt rose 18 percent in the last month alone. But the potential costs of failure go far beyond that. Spain’s economy, the fourth largest in Europe, is orders of magnitude bigger than Ireland’s or Greece’s, and a bailout of its banks could be far more costly, an event that could push the government into default and end up dooming the euro itself...............


I think China has a real estate bubble definitely but until the international bond market stops lending or if inflation keeps rising...they can probably keep this bubble going .
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