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shanghaiwood wrote:Hi
I've searched through quite a few threads but can't find the specific advice I need.
I want to set up a shop in the French Concession. About 30 sqm of trading space with a bit of back-of-house space. What would be the rent on such a space? Can anyone recommend a real-estate agency with good customer service that specialises in this?
What licence do I need? How much?
I'd be grateful for any advice from people who have tried this before. Good/bad experiences, unexpected problems, tax issues, dealing with bureaucracy, anything really.
Thanks in advance
Bob
monalisalee wrote:Are you for real?
There are heaps of threads on setting up a business here, and the overwhelming advice is:
DONT


sinned69 wrote:
Slightly off topic... the claim is that China will become/is becoming a big economic superpower... at the expense of honesty, integrity, ethics, morals, consideration for the fellow man or anyone else for that matter... when I leave this place (I could write a few other expletives and adjectives but I wouldn't want to impinge on some people's sensitivities on SHexpat) I will avoid wherever possible buying & using anything made or originating from China. I'll vote with my buying power, and if that means I pay a more for the reassurance that something that claims to be something, is what it is, then so be it. The stuff from China - there are no guarantees whatsoever of that. Fake this, fake that, add this, remove that, skimp on this, they won't miss that... meiwenti

shanghaiwood wrote:Cheers guys
To answer some of the above posts.
I couldn't find any specific advice on opening a shop - rather than running any other type of business - in Shanghai - I'm looking for advice from people who've done it.
I was expecting a lot of negativity - that's cool - i'm open minded enough to take being called a fool, if it is coming from people with more experience than me. And i'm not so naive that i believe this would be an easy venture.
I'll explain a bit more. The store wouldn't be my sole source of income so it doesn't need to support me (in the short/medium term). I can live with just breaking-even to begin with. I just want to know what my start-up costs would be. I know what registered capital is and i haven't got a massive bank account to sink into a business.
So.... keep the thoughts coming - even if it's just to tell me that i'm a newbie idiot. If someone has run a shop before in Shanghai i'd be interested in buying you a coffee and having a chat about it - just PM me.

lovebeautifullife wrote:to Shanghaiwood,
It Is a easy way to set up a shop in Shanghai if you have enough investment and relevent experience in this business line, I can understand your worries, since you are a foreigner and heard so many negative stories about foreigners' fails or losting money everyday. But the truth is, business is business,no matter foreigners or Chinese, anybody who is not qualified enough or makes any big mistake would get kick out everyday, it is normal. I believe now is really a good time to make money in China, every where has business opportunity, people just need to find the right way and know some different business rule in here.
I am also developing my retail Fashion business in Shanghai and Zhejiang, I plan to cooperate with the malls this time. I had a shop in downtown in other city before, I know the process to operatting this thing, if you have any qustion, just ask me, hope I can give you some useful information about doing business in China.
Again, Follow your business sense, forget about the unrelevant negative stories.
Best wishes


Doroto wrote:lovebeautifullife wrote:to Shanghaiwood,
It Is a easy way to set up a shop in Shanghai if you have enough investment and relevent experience in this business line, I can understand your worries, since you are a foreigner and heard so many negative stories about foreigners' fails or losting money everyday. But the truth is, business is business,no matter foreigners or Chinese, anybody who is not qualified enough or makes any big mistake would get kick out everyday, it is normal. I believe now is really a good time to make money in China, every where has business opportunity, people just need to find the right way and know some different business rule in here.
I am also developing my retail Fashion business in Shanghai and Zhejiang, I plan to cooperate with the malls this time. I had a shop in downtown in other city before, I know the process to operatting this thing, if you have any qustion, just ask me, hope I can give you some useful information about doing business in China.
Again, Follow your business sense, forget about the unrelevant negative stories.
Best wishes
This is really reasonable and inspiring comment. I have seen negative ideas following posts asking for business advice. Following your own sense is critical to everyone in our life. Give it a try before bowing to failure.



eudaimonic wrote:^ The mere fact that you are asking for business advice on an internet forum is evidence that you don't know what you are getting yourself into.

Chavster wrote:Doroto wrote:lovebeautifullife wrote:to Shanghaiwood,
Even huge multinationals get incredibly dicked around by the system here. A lot of them don't make money at all but are just here for the advertising/promotion value. Running their business as a placeholder until the environment "normalizes". If they can break even or take only a small loss then they can go crow to their shareholders about a China presence and sit around making pie charts about the emerging Chinese middle class. Aside from a few big car companies and other really huge infrastructure firms, the only other foreign business making money are doing it in the area of licensing, eg. KFC and Starbucks.

matchalatte wrote:Chavster wrote:Doroto wrote:lovebeautifullife wrote:to Shanghaiwood,
Even huge multinationals get incredibly dicked around by the system here. A lot of them don't make money at all but are just here for the advertising/promotion value. Running their business as a placeholder until the environment "normalizes". If they can break even or take only a small loss then they can go crow to their shareholders about a China presence and sit around making pie charts about the emerging Chinese middle class. Aside from a few big car companies and other really huge infrastructure firms, the only other foreign business making money are doing it in the area of licensing, eg. KFC and Starbucks.
Out of curiosity where did you get this info from? How many financial reports have you read and from how many MNCs? As far as I know the MNC I work for is doing well here and our bottom line is very healthy. Let's just say the margin contribution is much higher compared to what I am used to in North America. Oh and BTW we are not in the car nor are we in the infrastructure or licensing businesses.
Generalizing is always risky. I can't imagine "a lot of multinationals" will all be morons who are happy with break even or a small loss just for the sake of being here while paying heaps of money to their expat managers. No matter what you say profit is the only deciding factor to the mere existence of any business entity. Of course it will be a different story if you are running non profit or charity, which aren't the topics of the dicussion here.
With this being said I am not saying doing business in China is easy. It can be extremely frustrating and disappointing. However, bureaucracy exists everywhere. Profit is always hard to chase. In Canada the stats shows 90% failure rate for new businesses in the first three years. Sharp business skills, understanding of local political landscape, connection with local power houses and thorough research on local markets are the basic requirements for the success here.
Good luck to all entrepreneurs!







ExpatLawyer wrote:I am a Shanghai lawyer, any inquiry regarding business set up, please fell free to address me.
lawyer.phoebe@gmail.com



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